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I think both sides have a LOT of the information before hand. Not exact figures, but pretty good ideas of what they're going to get, what they want, etc...I don't think the Brewers are taking a guy in Rd1 unless they know they can get him under slot, or conversely drafting Pratt if they have no idea how much he's gonna want in bonus money.

I don't know, tell me when a team went and got a reliever that had been on their team the previous 6 years winning reliever of the year 3 of them, an all star in 4 of them and I'll see if I can meet your very specific set of criteria? I guess when the Brewers re-aquired Jeffress during the 2nd most successful team in franchise History in 2018 and Knebel had to split the closer role with Jeffress while the team lost in 7 games to the Dodgers to go to the WS would be the example that comes to mind most recently, but you meet my EXTREMELY specific set of examples and then I'll meet yours, ok? This all seems like a very pointless argument as the chance this happens are exceedingly low, but I don't think you run a team out of fear of "angering our all star reliever."

He'd be going back for a few months. And given the broken hand, it wouldn't break my heart if his agent was nonplussed with a trade that brought back Josh Hader and relegated Williams to the 8th inning. I don't believe any of this is going to happen, but the very slight difference in arbitration(assuming there's any) is just part of life.

I can assure you, every poster would NOT have had Wiemer 4th. I was a very big fan of Wiemer. I thought he needed more time in AAA as he's had a bit of a tendency to start slow, then pick it up. This is pretty much about as badly as I thought Wiemer could hit. I didn't know he's be an elite CFer(I thought he'd be a competent one and an elite RFer). But no, Mitchell would have been my 4th by a mile. He's a lefty...which is normally a bonus, but for this team Wiemer's RHed bat is a plus. But beyond that, Wiemer has been healthy, Mitchell has not. Wiemer has more upside than the other two advanced bats(and any bat other than Chourio). He could realistically be a .900+ OPS guy despite hitting .250...and if he hits .250, it'll likely come with 30+HRs, 20+SBs and a very nice OBP as he's always walked at a high rate. Get his BABIP up...and that alone should have him at a VERY valuable .230. If by some change he hits ~.280 and walks at a ~12% rate, then we've got what we're HOPING Chourio develops into. I'm high on Chourio obvious. Frelick is the safest of all of them as far as a hitter. Mitchell has tools and is carved like a greek god, but he doesn't have Wiemer's power, his durability, he hits the ball on the ground and he struck out last year. People looked at his .832 OPS and thought he was great. He also had a OPS in the mid .600s about a week or so before the end of the season. Not to say he didn't also have value. Those were clearly the 4 prospects along with Turang last year. But this isn't selling high on Wiemer and I definitely would have rather seen Mitchell(and of course Ruiz go...again, despite liking both). I know the stats tell more than the eye test...but I can't believe this one. Wiemer, he struggles going back on balls. Has taken a few poor routes. Plays I think he'll end up making. But really only minor issues making plays against the wall. Miller looks fine at 2B, Turang looks exceptional. Had to believe Miller is rated that much higher. Willy's just Willy. I'll miss him when he's gone.

He's a RFA. His rights don't belong to anyone. The Warriors did offer him a 2-way after the summer league so, they probably saw something. Once they decided to front load Lopez, it was pretty much a certainty. I'm sure they explored trade options before officially signing Lopez...but Houston pushing his contract up in FA was the last realistic chance if they keep Allen and Connaughton. And they kinda need to keep those two after losing Ingles, Carter and being real thin at Guard.

I don't know if we need one, but if you moved Payamps/Peguero into the 7th and then Williams back into the 8th, that really changes the team. Kinda the Royals recipe for winning. But again, prefer to see if we can get someone who has either a year more of team control, OR who is cheaper. The Pads would likely want one of our top ~10 prospects+ a 20-30 type guy.

I was as impressed with that catch going back up against the wall in CF as that batting line. What are they gonna do if he just carries on like this and they have Wiemer and Mitchell/Frelick in the OF with 70 speed Chourio...who looks like he's getting exceptional reads off the bat? I guess I'd switch it up. Frelick in LF/Chourio in CF/Wiemer in RF just so Chourio plays one position, but he may get pushed over to LF if Wiemer juuust gets better going back on the ball. If he does that, he's a GG CFer. No fly ball will touch grass

Ok, but he didn't, right? They DFA'ed him...then three days later they just released him.

I really doubt he leaves the Brewers for a year or two and then goes and gets a job with another team. If he retires, it'd be to the Brewers FO...and that's where he'd probably have to just go by feel. They find a new manager(maybe it's just Murphy) and I think he'd be back at some point. He's a Brewer.

Yeah, preventing runs is important for every team. I'm simply saying I don't think they're going to prioritize a great defensive 3B with no bat over an average one who can hit like Black. I think he can stick there...but again, if he can't, worst case is 1B. I think we saw this draft that maybe they're again make a slight change. Wilken and Boeve certainly don't profile as elite defenders at 3B. I mean...our run prevention has been great, but without a competent offense, you're always going to be fighting an uphill battle. If we thought we could get Tyler Black to hit well the rest of the year, do you think we stick with a sub .600 OPS at 2nd over Black? There's always a sliding scale where it's going to make sense. We DID trade for Contreras despite him being an awful defensive catcher because we desperately needed offense. Maybe a more direct example is 1B. If Rowdy was hitting like he had been, he'd almost certainly be manning 1B despite being a poor fielder and Owen Miller would be playing elsewhere(probably 2B at this point).

No, it's not a suprise the Brewers have seen little return on their investment as they've JUST recently made the investment. And it's comical you're ALL for those Latin American players...just dump Chourio and Quero now(two players who look like Star to Superstar type players). So you're not against getting the superstars(unless they're already in the system, then just get rid of them) you're just the most cost effective way to get superstars...? That makes sense? All so they can sign that extra reliever or 4th OFer with the savings each year! Ok...you sucked me in again. I'm gonna need to post a Mark Twain quote on the computer so I don't engage in this again.

Because the "problems" are...relatively minor and being addressed. There is some weird stuff that goes on inside locker rooms. It'd always been my experience you can refuse for the most part, but there's an initiation process. It's like a family. The "car wash" would have been one I'd have refused and the "QB-C snap," but they're testing you and some of it is just stuff you have to go through. I remember being woken up with someone breaking into my dorm room banging pots and kettles making you go run, you have to do the grunt work, that stuff is fine. For as homophobic as locker rooms can be, there's no place with more homoerotic behavior though. That...that is weird. I really don't think they needed a bigger "solve,' than what they'd already come up with. And what's the other issue? A coach being verbally abusive? I don't know what he said, but I don't know, I've had lots of coaches cussing me out and yelling at me. I'd need more context. Of ALL the athletes who went through NU, you had...2 people come forward and it was from 2014 I believe? That tells me this wasn't a culture with rampant hazing. Frats are 10X worse with forcing people to drink just...ridiculous amounts of alcohol. But it's still a B1G coaching gig and again, they're addressing those "problems."

I'd really prefer to see him in Milwaukee for a couple weeks. I don't really understand the reluctance at this point. We've seen him scrap the leg kick. He's got a new swing, he looks like he's got more plate coverage. He banged up his knee, missed some time, but the bat to ball talent is still so clearly there. He can play 1B or DH. He's not a 2B...unless you absolutely need it, or a LFer, but it's not like Winker gives you position versatility or Tellez does either.

That trade makes sense. Rodriguez is a really nice prospect. There's some Victor Robles comps there, but I think he'll hit for a higher average. Robles as an actual big leaguer, not as a prospect obviously. Small is the type of guy that teams like the Nats should be looking at. Long list of left handed starters without big velo who take a while to get going. And Urias has been worth nearly 7 WAR the previous two seasons?

Great article on Jackson. Sounds like he was a little immature(just leaving the game 35 minutes...I'm skeptical THAT was the whole reason he was dismissed from the team, particularly after explaining yourself and...presumably apologizing). But 20 year old kids ARE immature. It also sounds like this kid has a nice arm, a LOT of projectability at 6'5 180 and already and...who knows? There are how many stories about guys drafted past rd 20 who had great careers? Smoltz, Pettite, Oswalt, Kenny Rogers. We've had plenty of guys have success who weren't drafted or who we found out of the Indy leagues. He has a chance and you gotta love the Brewers scouring every source to try and find talent...though I just think what that 40K could have been used for the big league club in Free Agency!

Are you the reason I caught heat for NOT putting "David Stearns sabotaged the Brewers," while praising him for how he built this system, particularly the LA additions? Or should I just assume this is meant to be in blue? I mean...otherwise, what the heck are you talking about? That package may not get you Garcia and Morrobel, how in the hell is that gonna bring back MAYBE the best hitter in baseball this year AND a top 5 pitcher? Oh, yeah, and a guy who's going to make you a ton of money just because he's associated with your team? Edit-Oh...and IF they can't work out a deal? The Man is probably going to command close to Mark Attanasio's entire net worth...there's not an "if" there.

Well, yeah, you may very well be right over the next 3-4 years, but right now...the O's do have a ridiculous amount of young talent in that farm system. I'm just as confident as you about the next 3-4 years, but there's a lot of projection while Baltimore has...what, 6 top ~60 position player prospects and a few in the top 30. I have no opinion on Salas beyond...great year at low A for a 17 year old who seems to be advanced defensively. Never seen him. If he becomes a superstar...well, good for whatever team the Pads trade him to. Side Note-If the Pads were run like the Brewers...they would PROBABLY have a huge window to win right now. They've dumped soo much talent and they keep finding it. It's like if Tampa Bay was stupid, impatient and spent money poorly. I want to see a team made up of traded Padres. Bet it's better than what they've got now.

It's kinda funny...there seems to be more negative sentiment toward the Brewers average fans(likely due to the poor batting averages, the Hader trade) but they have NEVER been run as well as this in terms of just being ahead of the curve. Scouting LA, their approach to the draft, the way they find pitching. A lot of that is just...trial and error and they'll miss on guys like Guerra or maybe Yeager(we'll see...did he have TJ surgery). Anyway, they still find Payamps, Peguero. But the truly exciting thing is the up the middle talent in the lower levels. This is why the trade deadline could be exciting, but also makes me a little nervous. I don't want to see Guillarte thrown into a deal valued as a "lottery ticket," ala Freddy Peralta. That may be his value, but we've seen enough from him to know that his upside is pretty impressive. Lara has the most value among those(who are trade eligible) so I guess if you value him as a top ~125-150 prospect...then I guess(have to give something up to get something). And then these are the other prospects likely to be traded. The guys who are "MLB ready," or very close to it, but who look like they could be major parts of our next core. As for the run prevention and how important it is, but isn't part of that because we don't score much? In any event, there's a happy medium. Black has looked REALLY good at 3B fielding the ball. He doesn't have that Anderson arm, but we're not talking about Hiura at 2B here. And Black could also play 1B. I cannot articulate how little I care about a 1B with a .600 SLG. If you have a 1B hitting .275/385/475, AND he can be a 20/40 guy? I'll take that any day. Plus I have to believe his defense would be close to elite at 1B. For a guy who can cover ground at 3B and the only real concern is his arm strength, I know it's not easy to move to 1B, but I think he'd be fine. If we trade a guy like Black, it has to be for an IMPACT player. Not "just" a reliever unless it's...Emmanuel Clase(which we know isn't happening).

I don't understand why he was kept on the 40, but they just wanted nothing to do with Pannone? He seemed like a capable...what, 9th starter and nice AAA filler. He didn't opt out, we just cut him.

I feel like this is just an argument you made...perhaps when Arcia didn't become a star(though he became a 2+ WAR player for us, which is EXACTLY what you'd rather have). Is this something you ACTUALLY believe? Does seeing Wander Franco for the Rays or Juan Soto, Tatis Jr, HALF of the players in WAR in MLB(position players) from Latin America, that...means nothing to you? So what'll change your mind? How about if Chourio and Quero are just 3 WAR players(lets say neither end up as good as projected right now)? Would that do it? Or is this a situation where you're going down with the ship irrespective of the mountains and mountains of evidence that run contrary to this...argument you're making.

It does(belong to the Os IMO), but they're graduating so many guys...still a few yet this year most likely while the Brewers have a really nice young core of guys in the lower levels who are I think will step up into that top 100-150 range in the next year before Quero, Chourio and a couple others graduate. Baltimore made the mistake of investing money into the LA market though... What are they thinking? They could have signed...a veteran MiLB free agent for that! Probably two of them...now they just have a silly top 100 catcher hitting well in A ball at 18. Obvious sarcasm, but I'm not a fan of the blue. I can't really read it with the black backdrop...

Well...on top of that, THEY'RE ALSO HITTING STATESIDE! As are several other players like Lara, Gullarte.... It's also worth noting when Stearns took over, they were handicapped by the Lara signing. They could only spend 300K in '16 and '17 I believe. Maybe it was '15 and '16, doesn't matter. Point is, they were not able to because they went for ONE big name...which is not a great strategy.

This is just comically short sighted and literally the WORST thing the Brewers could do. For the price of a 2 WAR OFer each year, the Brewers are starting to churn out elite Latin American prospects, one after another...and you think we'd be better off with what? Another reliever instead? HALF of the Brewers top 30 prospects are Latin American. The Brewers system would be the worst in Baseball without investing in Latin America. I really don't know how you can look around Baseball and seriously say with a straight face that spending ~10M a year at the MLB level is worth more than that. Chourio HIMSELF is worth ~100M in Surplus Value HIMSELF. The "cash strapped" teams are the ones who need to sign players like Abner Uribe for 85K more than anything else. The Rays...Wander Franco, Yandy Diaz....hell, 7 of their everyday players are LA signings. And they've traded away the likes of Willy Adames for a starting pitcher. The MAIN reason they've been competitive is because of their LA facilities and scouting. This is an example of not understanding the changes the Brewers have made and grossly overstating the cost relative to MLB FAs. Look at the team we JUST played. Of the top prospects? They 100% would NOT be better without half of their top prospects, that's...ludicrous and not worth really debating...so I'm not sure why I did, but I'm not going to any further....beyond to say, did you see Chourio and Quero, the two young phenoms in AA? Chourio with a MISSLE to the deepest part of the park and a double tonight and Quero 2-4. Fits in BEAUTIFULLY with Black in that lineup and in Milwaukee moving forward!

If he makes it clear he won't re-sign, I don't think he will. If he leaves the possibility open in internal talks? It's not kosher, but maybe. Trout and Ohtani having their biggest AB and innings pitched in the WBC is a tragedy for MLB. The Angels seem like they've been after quick fixes for so long to get to the playoffs...and even when things go well, like this year, it all falls apart with a 1-10 stretch up to and right after the ASB. But if you see the Dodgers and everything they've done to get under the luxury tax this year(even with Bauer)...I could see them trying to deal away a guy like Chris Taylor, attach a nice prospect with him, get under the luxury tax and if that happens, that's a CLEAR cut sign to me they're going all in on Ohtani next year. With all their prospects coming up, they could build around him nicely. Spend next year, get back into the 275-280 range, under the Cohen tax, but at Ohtani and a bat or...maybe even Hader and let the young guys fill in as they're ready as they've been doing forever. Seattle is a longshot, but they've got a big Japenese fan base. The Yankees obviously and then the Mets may just throw 700M at him over 12 years and blow the competition away. But my money is on LAD. You could write a novel on all the possible Ohtani outcomes(I think I just did).

They've never had a player like Ohtani who they were in danger of losing for nothing. They've lost 9 of 10. There's a reason they're suddenly not saying they're open to trading him. It's because it's the only rational decision they can make.