adambr2

They could be 1-6 as well.... But, point taken. They've only had two games where they weren't remotely competitive. I'd point out, though, that this is a 2-5 team against cupcakes plus the Lions. The Bears, Raiders, and Broncos are bad football teams. Other than the Lions the rest are average at best. I'd say there's probably one more win on the schedule before the two weeks against Detroit/KC which are almost assuredly losses and then probably 1-2 wins the rest of the way after that stretch. 4-13 or 5-12.

I'll be blunt. I hate his philosophy. No, I loathe his philosophy. I think it's a massive organizational inefficiency. I think it's inconsistent with any good business sense in the NFL. To me, with the salary cap in the NFL, it's essentially a game of "Moneyball" between 32 GMs. We all have this same amount to work with. So how can we be most efficient with it? Well, taking the length of one of your most valuable assets, the rookie contract, and cutting it by 50-75% because that's how long it takes your prospects to get up to speed, is not efficient. It is horribly inefficient. Look, it's no secret how important it is to get production out of rookie contracts. You can't build a good roster solely on the veteran market, it's just too expensive. So yes. IMO, "NFL-ready", should be a heavily weighted attribute for any rookie, and Gute not only doesn't value that trait, but he seems to seek out the opposite. So even when you finally start getting production out of your players like Gary, you had years from them where you were getting little to nothing. And I'm not knocking the Gary pick or saying it was bad, and I thought the extension was perfectly reasonable for the market, but that's the reality. You got little out of the rookie deal, now you have to pay market, and you can't build a good roster on all market deals. I'm not saying that every rookie needs to show up at rookie camp ready to be a big contributor from Day 1, but it sure needs to be valued a lot more than we are doing. And these rookies are out there, and they aren't all just guys you find in the top 10 of the first round. Amon Ra St Brown and Puka Nacua being two recent examples.

In addition to what I had already pointed out, Gute's original offer to Adams was under 20M per year before he actually made a reasonable effort to keep him when it was too late. Given his production and the state of the WR market both now and at the time, this is insulting low and it's no wonder that Adams ended up telling the Packers to pound sand. https://wisportsheroics.com/green-bay-packers-davante-adams-trade/ No matter how you dissect it, Gute dropped the ball big time in the 2022 offseason.

Same. I hope he gets traded today for no other reason than his next situation can't be any worse.

Jimmy G is like the veteran version of Jordan Love. Terrible offensive line, but also sucks.

I'm not sure we have either.

I think I'm pretty much out on Watson. Dude can't stay healthy and even when he can, there's no consistency. Doubs is ok, but he's never going to be your #1. He'll have a long career in the league, though. I like Reed. They probably need one more guy.

Given the really rough state and performance of the Packers post-Rodgers roster, such criticisms of Gutekunst seem like pretty reasonable opinions to me.

Felt like Love was a Gute pick and the other two were guys that MLF wanted for his offense. In any case, I agree that they were reaches.

I would have liked that a lot better. I think I'm less irritated about Love when it comes to the 2020 draft as I am about using Day 2 picks on dime a dozen a players like Dillon and Josiah Deguara.

Not a narrative, just the facts -- sorry Louis, Gute doesn't get a pass just because the events were independent of each other. It's your job as GM to have the pulse of both individual situations and be able to plan accordingly as to whether you're going to be able to keep the band together. You want to excuse him for being left holding the enormous Rodgers bag with no WR1 just because Adams asked out after the extension? Really? It was the worst possible outcome in that scenario, and Gutekunst absolutely mismanaged the situation, and that's been the opinion of numerous sportswriters, not just myself. By the way, Adams has since said he would have signed the extension to stay in Green Bay had it been earlier and not in the 11th hour.

I guess I'm looking for what Gute has really accomplished for us that would give anyone pause at moving on. The 2020, as I understand has been beaten to death, was an absolute disaster, and many of us felt that way about it well before we have the advantage of hindsight. I'm certainly not the most glass half-full, but when it comes to the draft I typically take the approach of, "well, let's wait and see." Not 2020. It made no sense. I'm not going to say it's impossible for Love to end up salvaging it, but early returns are obviously not good. I think the most damning indictment of Gute was his handling of the 2022 offseason. Everyone would have understood if he had gone all-in once more. Everyone would have understood if he wanted to turn the page and move forward with his guy, and take the huge haul for Rodgers while it was available to him. Instead he did NEITHER, signed Rodgers, then traded Adams and moved forward with a group of young receivers supplemented by Sammy Watkins, of all people. It was an inexplicable sequence of events and the results were another predictable disaster. What are Gute's big "wins"? Maybe Jaire, Jenkins and Gary, who took several years to get there? That's a pretty darn short list of big wins over a 5 year tenure given the severity of the mistakes.

He's not a FA after 2023. They extended him through 2024 to basically get an out that picking up the option wouldn't give them. They can move on but there will be some dead money if they do.

Murphy should probably be removed for his hazing scandal alone, but of course we never hear about that.

No, it's not. You can go back to the 2020 draft thread and see that the general theme from a lot of us was somewhere between "what in the actual hell are we thinking/doing" and "this is an absolute disaster." That is the opposite of hindsight. You also don't have to tell me twice that the Packers have a notoriously long leash to an absolute fault with both coaches and front office personnel. It's part of the reason that we haven't seen a Super Bowl in 13 years despite elite QB play because we don't hold our personnel accountable for poor performance, or we do it far too late.

I mean, we're all in agreement that Brian Gutekunst should be fired, right? Whether you think they got the wrong guy in Love...or whether you think Love sucks because the cast around him is awful...both of those are the responsibility of Brian Gutekunst, no?

You know what would have been more fun than taking a "risk" in 2020? Finding a player in the 1st round that would have had a chance to be an immediate difference maker on a championship level team and put that team over the edge and maybe make a Super Bowl in 20-21 or 21-22 instead of sitting here and saying "what if" on everything. If you're going to take a risk you had better either 1) be damn certain that you are in fact the smartest man in the room and end up being right, or 2) have a strong enough track record of wins to earn a free pass. (See John Lynch). Brian Gutekunst has neither. This "mistake" is going to cost him his job. It's not if, it's when.

The most hilarious part about all this is that we aren't even going to get our high draft pick consolation prize from the Jets.

It's been a "good old boys" club in Green Bay for decades. And they got away with it for a long time because someone was covering up the stank and making people think they were actually good.

I'm not even mad. It's been a long time coming for our coaching and front office to get publicly exposed for how bad they are and not be able to hide behind one or two players the last 30 years.

Not a great look for the organization to have spent a 1st and a 4th for a QB to be a backup for a team coming off an NFC championship game appearance, sit 3 years and then be "not great."

Barry being garbage is a separate issue from the offense. You can always justify firing Joe Barry. If you want him to just be one of many, I'm totally good with that.

Lol Love. You aren't Lamar Jackson.

It is 100% his decision. You think Brian Gutekunst is going to bat for this clown?

How much longer do I have to pretend that this is a competently run organization?