adambr2

Didn’t have this one as a blowout W on the schedule. Can't put much stock into it for who the Thunder were missing but it was encouraging seeing Dieng have a huge game.

It was the same way I felt when Carolina blew their wad to trade up and get the #1 from the Bears. Not very happy.

Didn’t read the part where I said I was begging us *at that time* to make the trade, did you? Don’t tell me how I would have reacted when I literally have posting history to back up how I felt about it at the time. Actually, I was on record at them time saying I didn’t think there was any way we would get 3 firsts for a 38 year old quarterback. After the Russell Wilson trade, I think I was wrong about that. You think I would have had a “conniption” about getting a return that I said at the time would have been a pipe dream?

TLDR; the Packers bungling of the 2022 offseason was Gute’s worst performance as a GM. He had two clear paths: run it back with Rodgers and Adams in 2022 and put every available resource into winning a Super Bowl in 2022-23, or trade both Rodgers and Adams for a mammoth haul, take your lumps with Love in 2022 and find out if he is the future. He chose to ride it out somewhere in the middle, which neither helped us then nor is it helping us now.

Exactly ! Wilson was less decorated than Rodgers. We could have gotten even more for Rodgers than the Seahawks got for Wilson, presumably. Yes, it’s true that we did end up trading Rodgers, but the hesitation to do it after 2021 cost us a boatload of draft capital when the market would have been enormous for him after 2021. This is exactly what I was talking about. We always make the safe, easy decision. The Seahawks took a big chance. It paid off for them last week. This isn’t a “hindsight is 20/20” moment for me. I was begging the Packers to pull the trigger with Denver after 2021 for what they were offering. And Gute couldn’t do it. Because we don’t take risks. We run it back. Except not entirely, we try to run it back except by replacing Davante Adams with Sammy Watkins. Which, any idiot could have told the Packers, wasn’t going to be the same situation, Rodgers wasn’t going to be the same without Adams. I don’t buy the cliche argument of “oh, come on now, you can’t trade Rodgers coming off an MVP year where you lost in the NFC Championship game.” Yes, you absolutely can. It’s actually the perfect time to do it, because he’s 38 and you know the end is coming and yet his value will never be higher. You absolutely can if you think the guy you took in the 1st round to succeed him who has sat for 2 years behind him is your guy. But we didn’t. We gave that all up for one more year of running it back. Because that was the safe, understandable play. And that was kind of my whole point to begin with.

John Schneider to me is the one that got away for us. He makes the tough decisions that our organization doesn’t have the guts to pull the trigger on. Traded Russell Wilson at the exact right time. Nailed the picks. Wasn’t afraid to move on from a HOF coach when he realized it wasn’t working anymore. Wasn’t afraid to trade Geno. Our organization would have been operating under a different direction and philosophy the last 15-20 years if Schneider was running the show, and I’m convinced we’d have multiple championships to show for it. Schneider knew when it was time to break up the good old boys. We just extended ours.

He can’t play high level defense, but he’s a high end scorer and at only 24 it’s quite possible that his defensive deficiencies can be improved. I’m not saying he makes them into some contender. But they needed a scorer. They’re one of the lowest scoring teams in the league. He’s better than what they’ve been throwing out there. I’d much rather them throw someone like him at a wall than some aging vet on a buyout. It's absolutely nothing lost no matter what happens.

Bucks sign Cam Thomas. I don’t understand the NBA at all to know how a player of his caliber was just available in the middle of the season.

Not sure if you really read my post.

It’s a little bizarre for them to knock the Bulls for trading Dieng, citing his intrigue and upside, and then two paragraphs later in our grade, cite him as a guy on the downside of his development (at 22) that does nothing for us long-term.

My head says trade Giannis and my heart says tank and try to get a high pick and get him some help in the draft and reload next year without Doc. And I’m not one to get sentimentally attached to any player. I wanted Braun traded in 2016 and wanted Rodgers traded to the Broncos when we wanted to hold and they gave up a haul for Wilson instead.

I know it’s not going to change anything. But, can anyone give any rational reason why Doc Rivers still has a job coaching the Bucks? This team is going down the toilet. Obviously, he’s not going to be the guy once this era of hell is over with. So what’s the point? Only 4 possibilities I can think of at this point: 1) They’d prefer to tank anyway, what’s the point of winning right now. 2) It seems silly to put yet another HC on payroll. 3) We have to at least feign an effort to show the next guy that he’s going to have some sort of job security and not become the Cleveland Browns of the NBA where nobody even wants the job. 4) Giannis for whatever crazy reason wants him to stay.

Giannis likely leaving Milwaukee will be a sad day, but it would have been much worse had they not won a championship. No one can ever take that away from him or the 2021 Bucks.

Shocking that a .593 OPS may in fact not cut the mustard for an everyday player.

I actually have no issue with the hire. I do find the 4th quarter meltdown correlation to be humorous, though. I think a lot of Packer fans wanted Leonhard and were always going to be disappointed with anyone else. I am as much fine with Gannon as I would have been with most other hires. It’s not Joe Barry.

Basically, we can’t discount or downplay anyone else’s path to the Super Bowl. The Patriots had to beat 3 NFL playoff teams to get to where they are. That’s as many playoff wins alone as Matt Lafleur has in his entire tenure. No one is taking anything away from our 2010-11 run because we the NFC was down that year, nor should they.

The Packers play in the NFC, a wide open conference where pretty much every team has weaknesses that can be exploited. No elite QBs unless you count Jalen Hurts who is plenty vulnerable. Other teams who took a shot on HOF level quarterbacks capitalized and won Super Bowls, not necessarily because of those QBs alone, but because they surrounded those QBs with great coaching and a sufficient supporting cast to win. The Broncos with Peyton Manning, then the Bucs with Tom Brady. The Steelers with Aaron Rodgers were pretty much the Packers with Aaron Rodgers.

I think the career of AJ Hawk is the perfect facsimile for the modern Green Bay Packers. Top 5 picks, super high expectations…and never really lived up to them. But, he was competent. So we payed him. And he continued to be competent, but never great. That’s today’s Packers. I don’t think Matt Lafleur is a bad coach, I think he’s a very average one, and the organization is happy with that. Brian Gutekunst is not a bad GM, he’s a very average one, and the organization is happy with that. We don’t look at teams like the Chiefs and Patriots and think, “we really want to be more like them.” We look at teams like the Jets and Browns and say “we really don’t want to become them.” So as a result, we’ve become the NFC’s Steelers, with a slightly higher ceiling and a slightly lower floor.

Sure. It seems to be hard for all but a handful of teams in the league, and we are not among that handful. My biggest gripe is that we’ve had high end QB play basically by default almost the entire time. The biggest piece of the puzzle has been in place. You should not have a 16 year drought with that in place. Especially in a conference that has generally been wide open. We’ve had no Patrick Mahomes to compete with. No Tom Brady (except for a very short time). Meanwhile, the Sam Darnolds and Nick Foles of the world are getting there. Drake Maye, in his second season. This isn’t an indictment of Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love but rather an indictment of an organization that is by and large, failing them.

A lot more teams would be on the list if we included “shoulda, but failed when we had a chance.” Lions, Bills, Saints, Jags, to name a few. 49ers, Chiefs, and even Patriots would be on this list numerous more times.

Super Bowl appearances since our most recent: Seahawks 3 Patriots 6 Chiefs 5 Eagles 3 49ers 3 Broncos 2 Rams 2 Bucs Bengals Falcons Panthers Ravens Giants It is not as hard as we make it out to be. It should not be this hard for an organization that seems to have an internal belief and belief among their fanbase that they are very well-run. It should not be this hard for an organization that has benefited from high end QB play for almost this entire stretch.

The Cardinals blew numerous late leads under Gannon’s watch the past few years. Seems to me that he should be a seamless fit for our culture.

I’m not sure exactly what he’d be right now, but I agree he probably wouldn’t be anywhere near what he’s produced in Seattle. Still wish we had him, obviously.

Picking top 2-4 is a great dream but statistically highly unlikely to happen, since both us and New Orleans would have to hit the top 4 lottery spots. New Orleans looks like a decent bet for top 4 but obviously no sure thing. We are much more of a long shot but in this case we would need both of us to win the draw. We are I think 10th from the bottom in record. If we could slip to maybe 6th which is totally possible than we can at least assure a top 6-8 pick.