OBP Question

[rickh150]

If Billy Hall goes 1-4 with a single, but acually gets on base a second time because of an error, is his OBP .250 or .500 for the night? Does he get credit for being on base, even though he got on base once via error?

[logan82]

Per ESPN

On-base percentage

(H + BB + HBP) divided by (AB + BB + HBP + SF)

 

So his OBP woudl be .250.

[endaround]

You don't get credit for getting on via an error. There was thought about amending it, but it doesn't seem that players have much impact over how many times they get on via error.

[jeffy]

Yeah, except whether something is an error or not is sometime pretty arbitrary. I'd rather they include errors, but it's not like it would make much difference.

 

BTW, if errors were included the figure for the example would be .400 not .500. On base twice in 5 plate appearances.

[jazzytrav]

I believe he meant that in the 4 plate appearances, he gets one single, get on by error, and gets out twice...in which case it would be .500.

[zzzmanwitz]

this is correct, an error still counts as an AB, he had both 4 ABs and 4 PAs.

[jeffy]

this is correct, an error still counts as an AB, he had both 4 ABs and 4 PAs.

 

Yikes, all this time I thought an error did not count as an "at bat". That's embarrassing considering how much of my 48 years has been spent watching baseball. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/embarassed.gif

 

 

[joepepsi]

I've never been clear on this either, jeffyscott. So, if he reaches on an error it's scored as an 0 fer 1 as far as at bats? It actually hurts your batting average to reach base on an error?

[1992casey]

Yes, reaching via an error uses an at bat and a plate appearance. It's treated as an out, and it hurts a player's batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage.

[Gopher74]

Someone should tell Davey that this is the case. On Brewers live tonight he answered that it "definitely" does help the OBP because he reached base.

 

The two kinda laughed...not really sure at what, Craig may have known that he was wrong, but didn't say anything.

[adambr2]

I really hope Davey was kidding. Our former first base coach thought reaching on an error was beneficial to your OBP? That's really embarrassing.

[sheethead]

I really hope Davey was kidding. Our former first base coach thought reaching on an error was beneficial to your OBP? That's really embarrassing.

Sadly, I don't think Davey was kidding.

 

[jeffy]

I feel better now, thanks Davey. http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/smile.gif

 

 

[rluzinski]

Davey also said that he took a larger lead on lefties because he was looking right at them. I HAD to have heard that wrong, right?

[davego]

That is the way Davey plays the game.

[RoseBowlMtg]

The problem I have with OBP is it goes down when you hit a SF. A positive should not be a negative to a stat.

[pitchleague]

reaching base via Catcher's interference does not count as an at-bat, I believe. But I do believe you calculate Catcher's interference into the equation (although it so rarely happens you don't really notice this).

 

Now, keep in mind, they may have changed the rule on this. But I believe at one time that CI was included.

[joepepsi]

Wouldn't catcher's interference be considered an error?

[pitchleague]

yes, I believe it's scored as an error, also

[brewerinvegas]

I would think that sacrifice flys are counted because the batter is still trying to get a hit, while not being charged with an at bat. With a sacrifice hit, the batter is actively trying to make an out.