John Garland

[GoudaBrew]

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This is the second time I've read that Garland is "predicted" to be signed by the Brewers (the first time by MLBTR). I have to ask why? Garland seems like Suppan, V. 2.0 to me. Considering Sheets might cost less (in money and years), I would 100% much rather go that route.

 

I guess I'm in the camp that feels you should only pay significant amounts of money on top-notch pitching, not league-average talent.

 

Anyone like Garland as a Brewer, or heard that he's on the Brewer's radar?

[yoyo49]

I personally would like to see Garland as a Brewer for a 3 yr/32 mil type deal. He would benefit from a move to the NL after being in the AL for so long. After Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, and possibly Sheets, I think we will start seeing teams more reluctant to dish out Silva, Marquis, Washburn, Suppan type money for middle of the rotation starters. This should make Garland available at a reasonable price.

[PilprinBuddha]

If CC signs elsewhere, I'd be okay with signing Sheets and Garland. I think Cappy would be a great Reliever and insurance in the pen. He does really well for about 4 innings, then a hell breaks loose.

[GoudaBrew]

I personally would like to see Garland as a Brewer for a 3 yr/32 mil type deal. He would benefit from a move to the NL after being in the AL for so long. After Sabathia, Burnett, Lowe, and possibly Sheets, I think we will start seeing teams more reluctant to dish out Silva, Marquis, Washburn, Suppan type money for middle of the rotation starters. This should make Garland available at a reasonable price.

Garland is 29 and has logged more than 190 IP in each of the last 7 years (4 times over 200) and got paid $12 million last year. I don't see him getting paid less going forward.

[yoyo49]

If he is receiving offers for a 3-4 year deal at 12-14 per year as you predict, then the Brewers should drop out of the running. 3 yr/35 mil is about where I'd put my limit if I were Melvin.

[GoudaBrew]

Yeah Garland is a fine pitcher, but I don't think he's worth near the money he'll get. Would he be any better than Bush/McClung/Villanueva? Probably not much. I'd rather spend that money on a guy who can be a 1-2 in the rotation.

[Invader3K]

Jon Garland doesn't excite me, that's for sure. However, assuming the Brewers cannot re-sign Sabathia or Sheets, that leaves a huge gap in the starting pitching rotation. Also, Gallardo is coming off injuries from last season (yes, I know Gallardo pitched at the end there, but he was used sparingly). Another durability guy like Garland might fit nicely with a Gallardo/Parra/Bush/Suppan rotation.

[lukevan]

I'd rather go after Javier Vasquez, and I don't think a whole lot of him. Garland would be a last-ditch option if we couldn't sign/trade for a top 60 SP.

[endaround]

I'd rather get Millwood out of Texas or give up next to nothing to get Washburn for a year.

[bklynbrewcrew]

Garland is this years version of Suppan. He will probably get 4 yrs because of his durability but he is an avg pitcher at best. My biggest fear is giving a guy like this a contract similar to Suppan where we are stuck with avg to below avg performance for big money. Please Melvin stay away from guys like Garland. We need to either keep Sabathia which is highly unlikely or sign Sheets which is a gamble im willing to take. Unfortunately I have a bad feeling Melvin will get desperate and overpay a guy like Garland which will not help this team at all.

[PeaveyFury]

Unfortunately I have a bad feeling Melvin will get desperate and overpay a guy like Garland which will not help this team at all.

 

Sure it would help this team in 2009. The problem is that it might hurt the team in 2010-2012 or so.

[RyDogg66]

I'd rather the Brewers play every game with cats in their pants than pay someone like Garland 12-14 million over 3-5 years. That would be wonderful to run Suppan and Garland out there on back to back nights while paying them more than Sabathia is making. I'd rather run out Sabathia and McClung for the same amount.

[Robideaux]

I second the preference for cats in their pants.

 

Garland = Suppan Version 2.0

 

Unless he is next to nothing cheap, I wouldn't even consider him. And he won't be, because he "knows how to win."

 

He'd probably be our 5th best starter at 12+ million a year.

[Yeti73]

I think Garland WAS better than Suppan, but is in decline. Not worth what he'll cost at all unless he pitched with cats in his pants.

[endaround]

Bill James's projected FIPs for Suppan, Garland, Washburn, and Millwood:

 

Suppan: 4.86

Garland: 4.74

Washburn 4.68

Millwood: 4.05

[southpaw121505]

Is that projection with cats in pants or no?

 

Meh. I'd rather just use McClung then pay Garland what he's going to get.

[endaround]

McClung's projected FIP: 4.92 mostly in relief

[southpaw121505]

Is that difference worth 12 million dollars a year?

[endaround]

The point is that McClung really is the definition of a replacement level pitcher. Yeah I'd want him over Garland at his price but he's still not exactly a good 5th starter.

[piccione88]

If we are going to pick up someone just to fill the hole in the rotation left by Sheets, and Sabathia leaving, there are cheaper alternatives to Garland.

[RyDogg66]

The point is that McClung really is the definition of a replacement level pitcher. Yeah I'd want him over Garland at his price but he's still not exactly a good 5th starter.

Which is why players like Sabathia and Sheets should not be viewed as expensive. An ERA of 2.90 vs. 4.75 is a large difference in talent, but if one of those guys gets 22 million (sabathia) or 15 million (Sheets) why pay Garland 13 million? This is what I dont understand about baseball economics. There really should be no reason that guys like Garland get paid what they do. I would think that if GMs just applied themselves a little more that they could find similar talent of much, much, less thereby freeing up money for the real talent.

[joepepsi]

Good point rydogg. It ain't Arod and Santana who are overpriced; they actually earn their salaries. It's the Suppan's and Gary Mathews' and Torii Hunter's of the baseball world that skew the payrolls.

[Fatter than Joey]

McClung's projected FIP: 4.92 mostly in

 

Does McClung's FIP (Feline in pants) account for his allergies, and the clawness level of the feline?

[endaround]

McClung is assumed to spurn the ordinary house cat and instead puts a bobcat down his pants.

[lukevan]

The Cubs have played with cats in their pants for years...

 

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