Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[Fear The Chorizo]

On 8/27/2022 at 7:33 PM, edfunderburk said:

 

Is he talking about the Padres?  The Brewers were playing poorly for well over a month prior to the Hader trade and a chunk of it was due to Hader sucking.  Hader has been worse since getting shipped to San Diego.

I'd argue the team making the biggest moves at this deadline that have created an organizational disaster, including sending what was left at the top of a once great farm system for Soto+Bell, is the Padres.  For all the hand-wringing about the Brewers moves, going 9-14 in a stretch of now 23 games that has 7 against the Dodgers sprinkled in isn't horrific by any stretch - particularly considering the fact their record is likely worse if they still had Hader imploding on a nightly basis behind what would be a much thinner bullpen than before the trade deadline.  

I thought since the Hader trade happened that Gasser was the player with the best value included in that trade given the fact he's 1 year into his minor league career and hasn't used up any service time.  With Hader continuing to scuffle and approaching an ever more expensive arbitration/free agency and Gasser off to a solid start in AA, that seems even more to be the case at this point.

[StearnsFTW]

On 8/27/2022 at 7:33 PM, edfunderburk said:

 

A.  Bob Nightengale is a boob.

B.  This tweet is idiotic, which isn't surprising because A

 

[NBBrewFan]

2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

The Brewers were playing poorly for well over a month prior to the Hader trade and a chunk of it was due to Hader sucking. 

The Brewers have been playing sub .500 ball since June or more than 2.5 months.  Hader was fine (elite often) for half of that time, so not sure we can put anything mostly on Hader for that extended period of poor performance or even during the time he was struggling. 

2 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I'd argue the team making the biggest moves at this deadline that have created an organizational disaster, including sending what was left at the top of a once great farm system for Soto+Bell, is the Padres. 

Is anyone going to argue with you? It's kinda like saying "I'd argue that the world isn't flat, but round", or "I'd argue that the earth circles the sun and not the other way around". Maybe its not that settled, but I think most people are thinking what the Padres did was really stupid. If they make the playoffs and have a few series wins then it might be viewed differently, but what they did is really a WS win or bust move and it's not looking good now.

 

Not sure why we are bashing a Nightengale tweet about trading for Trevor Rosenthal. Whether you think Nightengale is a boob (I do), what part of what he tweeted is inaccurate? That the Brewers had a bad trade deadline for 2022?  That they've actually lost that many games (did he count the record wrong)? That losing % is worse than the sub-500 play for 2+ months. That the Brewers were attempting to improve their bullpen after trading the best closer in baseball? Maybe, but if the Brewers thought they had addressed their bullpen issues within the Hader trade, why trade for Bush or Rosenthal? Were the Brewers 6 games out of 1st when he tweeted?

[Fear The Chorizo]

I'm bashing the Nightengale tweet in this thread for two reasons:

1 - it was posted in this thread

2- the tweet was framed in a way that the trade of Hader was the primary reason the Brewers have gone on a skid and lost control of a division race they had total control over since the AS Break, which is about as flat-out wrong as most of Nightengale's takes prove to be.  The Cardinals have played consistent winning baseball all season long with the exception of an uneven July, and they've gotten red hot in August - that's why they've taken control in a division race while the Brewers have played sub-0.500 ball for the last 3 months.

Is anyone going to argue with you?

Based on your post the answer to that question is apparently yes - I won't bother with answering the other 6 questions in your post.  

[UpandIn]

12 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Well, when many of those posts questioning the move are followed immediately by ideas like "he's got one foot out the door", what the heck else are you supposed to believe?

This place has gotten extremely toxic lately.

I don't know who's blithely just chalking this up to Stearns having "one foot out the door," but that seems like an outlier. I don't recall seeing that once in this thread. Not to say someone didn't say it somewhere, but I haven't seen it.

What I have seen is about 2 dozen "in hindsight," remarks like we're talking about the Yelich contract. 

Going back and reading from the beginning, it seems at best this trade was met with, "well that's confusing," type response and mostly "what are we doing," type responses.  
People saying the Hader trade is a great one because of Hader's subsequent blow up, THAT is using the benefit of hindsight. 

The argument that this was a baffling move and we gave up a future asset for a pitcher who hasn't been good since Stearns 1st year in Milwaukee, that's not an argument made in hindsight. 

This has gotten extremely petty at this point, but it's almost like a policing of who's a "real" Brewers fan. I'd say that's probably not helping the "toxic" nature of the board. Not everything is going to be universally agreed upon. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

11 hours ago, UpandIn said:

This has gotten extremely petty at this point, but it's almost like a policing of who's a "real" Brewers fan. I'd say that's probably not helping the "toxic" nature of the board. Not everything is going to be universally agreed upon. 

That's exactly what it is and it's been going on for far too long.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I apologize to everyone who may feel that I'm being judgy. I have to be better.

This was a weird move from the start, no doubt. The chances of it working out were slim, but it certainly wasn't impossible. And if they felt that Peters was "just a guy", the risk wasn't huge. But it always reeked of "making a move simply to make a move". 

[CheeseheadInQC]

The best I can say is that at least it made more sense than the Norris trade. Here they made an upside play, albeit a low percentage one, for a lower upside prospect from a position of organizational strength. There they picked up what felt like a marginal improvement at best for an upside prospect at a position where they lacked organizational depth. Didn’t like either at the time but at least I can understand the thought process here.

[Hopper]

6 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

The best I can say is that at least it made more sense than the Norris trade. Here they made an upside play, albeit a low percentage one, for a lower upside prospect from a position of organizational strength. There they picked up what felt like a marginal improvement at best for an upside prospect at a position where they lacked organizational depth. Didn’t like either at the time but at least I can understand the thought process here.

But, by trading Peters for absolutely nothing in return, he is no longer available to be included in another future trade.  The Rosenthal trade was just plain stupid.  IMO of course.