Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[Jopal78]

11 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

It appears by the time Rosenthal arrives it will be too late to matter for this abysmal season

Maybe he will re-sign with Milwaukee & offer solid support for Williams along with Bush next year

Since he is in the minor leagues and hasn’t appeared in the majors this year, maybe he can still be traded. But yeah, this move is looking like it’s going to come up snake eyes. 

[UpandIn]

On 8/3/2022 at 9:51 AM, patrickgpe said:

he is not even in the giants top 30. lets not make this kid to be something he isn't. 

He's 21st in their system.

[Never Outhustled]

In the least surprising news possible, Rosenthal just left the Sounds game with the trainer. This after he was knocked around. A beyond senseless trade. 

[YelichPosse]

27 minutes ago, Never Outhustled said:

In the least surprising news possible, Rosenthal just left the Sounds game with the trainer. This after he was knocked around. A beyond senseless trade. 

The trade deadline continues to impress 

[Axman59]

0.2 IP, 3 ER, 2 H (one HR), 2 BB, 1K

And now apparently injured.

?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

This was always going to be a high risk/high reward type move. Looks like the risk is gonna outweigh the reward this time around.

[jerichoholicninja]

I don' t really understand what the reward was here. Stearns already addressed the weak bullpen areas before acquiring him. Any thoughts that Rosenthal would make significant contributions to a playoff push were just dreams. If he was healthy and pitching important innings it most likely meant a lot of other guys were injured or failed. I'm sure whatever we gave up will ultimately be no loss but this seemed like a really pointless trade from the start.

[Axman59]

4 minutes ago, jerichoholicninja said:

I don' t really understand what the reward was here. Stearns already addressed the weak bullpen areas before acquiring him. Any thoughts that Rosenthal would make significant contributions to a playoff push were just dreams. If he was healthy and pitching important innings it most likely meant a lot of other guys were injured or failed. I'm sure whatever we gave up will ultimately be no loss but this seemed like a really pointless trade from the start.

 

Agreed.

This move was really more appropriate for the Dodgers. They have money and prospects to burn and a need in the BP. They can afford to roll the dice and come up with nothing. The Brewers? Yeah, not so much.

[wildcat2237]

13 hours ago, Axman59 said:

0.2 IP, 3 ER, 2 H (one HR), 2 BB, 1K

And now apparently injured.

?

Saw he was lit up and didnt even finish an inning in AAA. Didnt realize he was injured. 

W00f. Nice move by Stearns. 

[Jopal78]

2 hours ago, jerichoholicninja said:

I don' t really understand what the reward was here. Stearns already addressed the weak bullpen areas before acquiring him. Any thoughts that Rosenthal would make significant contributions to a playoff push were just dreams. If he was healthy and pitching important innings it most likely meant a lot of other guys were injured or failed. I'm sure whatever we gave up will ultimately be no loss but this seemed like a really pointless trade from the start.

Smart acquisition or not, the reasoning isn't hard to figure out: when healthy Rosenthal is electric: 364 innings, 490 strike outs 19(!) homers allowed.  His arm was actually healthy, this time he was laid up with a hamstring injury. 

It's a gamble that was probably worth taking and shows that Stearns likes his team's chances getting a guy who he knows will be out several weeks with a leg injury. As sometimes they do, it looks like this deal will come up snake eyes. 

[Axman59]

36 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

when healthy Rosenthal is electric:

 

The problem is that he's never healthy. Pretty much everyone saw this coming.

 

[brewmann04]

Great add 

[Never Outhustled]

16 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

This was always going to be a high risk/high reward type move. Looks like the risk is gonna outweigh the reward this time around.

No potential for high reward, the ceiling here was 10 innings. This deal was simply flushing money and a prospect down the drain.

[Jopal78]

7 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

No potential for high reward, the ceiling here was 10 innings. This deal was simply flushing money and a prospect down the drain.

Whatever amount of prorated salary they’re paying him certainly didn’t prevent them from making other moves so it’s irrelevant.

The minor league player if he even sees the majors will have beaten the odds. It was a salary dump for the Giants.

[Never Outhustled]

Just now, Jopal78 said:

Whatever amount of prorated salary they’re paying him certainly didn’t prevent them from making other moves so it’s irrelevant.

The minor league player if he even sees the majors will have beaten the odds. 

Better to save the money for a real move. Better to save the prospect for a real trade. 

I'm always told we'd have to empty the farm system to make a significant deal, but we give away guys for Daniel Norris, John Curtis, Rosentha...

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

7 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

No potential for high reward, the ceiling here was 10 innings. This deal was simply flushing money and a prospect down the drain.

I'm sorry, but that is a totally bogus argument. You don't acquire a guy like Rosenthal without the idea that he's going to pitch consequential innings in big playoff race games and playoff games themselves. And there's no way you can convince me that every one of those innings aren't important.

Your argument has all the appearances of piling on simply for the sake of piling on.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

15 hours ago, Jopal78 said:

Smart acquisition or not, the reasoning isn't hard to figure out: when healthy Rosenthal is electric: 364 innings, 490 strike outs 19(!) homers allowed.  His arm was actually healthy, this time he was laid up with a hamstring injury. 

It's a gamble that was probably worth taking and shows that Stearns likes his team's chances getting a guy who he knows will be out several weeks with a leg injury. As sometimes they do, it looks like this deal will come up snake eyes. 

Spot on. It was a gamble. Sometimes those don't pay off. When they don't, you move on. Odd move for sure, but I get why they did it. They took a flyer on a guy who has been one of the top pen arms in the majors for a big stretch of time. A guy who has succeeded in plenty of big, consequential games. Yes, he's old. And yes, he's been injured. That's why they were able to grab him for basically an inconsequential prospect. Who knows ... maybe Peters will turn into a major league OFer. But I'll tell you what, his ceiling is never going to be higher than Frelick's, Mitchell's, Weimer's, Ruiz's, or even Lutz's. That's why he was expendable in a deal like this.

[LouisEly]

2 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Yes, he's old.

No, he isn't.  He turned 32 at the end of May.

 

8 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

No potential for high reward, the ceiling here was 10 innings. This deal was simply flushing money and a prospect down the drain.

No, the ceiling was replicating the 2015 Royals who turned every game into a 5-inning game.  Get into the playoffs, shorten the rotation to Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta/Lauer, have them go twice through the order and then turn things over to Bush/Box/Rogers/Williams/Rosenthal.

[Never Outhustled]

12 minutes ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I'm sorry, but that is a totally bogus argument. You don't acquire a guy like Rosenthal without the idea that he's going to pitch consequential innings in big playoff race games and playoff games themselves. And there's no way you can convince me that every one of those innings aren't important.

Your argument has all the appearances of piling on simply for the sake of piling on.

His last time in the post season Rosenthal have up 6 runs in 4 innings. 

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It's ok to admit they screwed up once in awhile. Sheesh

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

It's ok to admit they screwed up once in awhile. Sheesh

Hindsight has a way of doing that

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Hindsight has a way of doing that

There were plenty of people who spoke out against this deal from the start. And besides that it's a great trait to admit when you're initial reaction (whether blind optimism or poor judgement) was wrong. The people who are critical when appropriate and complimentary when warranted are much more grounded in reality than the people who only speak negatively or the people like yourself who act like this organization is infallible. Have some balance.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

There were plenty of people who spoke out against this deal from the start. And besides that it's a great trait to admit when you're initial reaction (whether blind optimism or poor judgement) was wrong. The people who are critical when appropriate and complimentary when warranted are much more grounded in reality than the people who only speak negatively or the people like yourself who act like this organization is infallible. Have some balance.

Would I have made the Rosenthal deal? No. But then I kinda thought he was already retired ?

As I mentioned above, it was an odd deal. Not a ton of risk, with a potential decently high reward. That's why I understand the logic behind why they made it, as I'm sure you do as well.

This organization is far from infallible. It sucks that they didn't shore up the offense at the trading deadline. It sucks that they are getting next to nothing right now from the return they got in the Hader deal. It sucks that they keep trotting Davis and Taylor out to CF every day when it's obvious that if they stand any chance of making the playoffs, they need a spark. This team is giving off all the appearances of simply playing out the string at this point. And that sucks ... because they may never have this level of starting pitching strength again. 

But they aren't buried yet. And this team has a history of getting hot in September. It's a wierd, flawed and decidedly often mediocre-looking roster. But they have enough talent to be taken seriously come October if things fall right and a little luck comes their way.

[endaround]

Rosenthal always seemed like a last second grab when whatever they planned to do with the free-uped money from Hader fell through.  

[monty57]

Rosenthal was injured when he was acquired, so it appears that the thought process when acquiring him was to get him on the roster by September so he could be on the playoff roster, where he could help the team in the most important games.

Unfortunately, it's looking like (A) he probably won't be healthy enough to add to the September roster, and (B) our playoff hopes are dwindling, so we might not have anyone playing in those important games.