Brewers acquire Trevor Rosenthal

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

It's ok to admit they screwed up once in awhile. Sheesh

Looking at Peters' results so far in AA, it appears that is a premature conclusion.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

2 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Looking at Peters' results so far in AA, it appears that is a premature conclusion.

Peters future success or lack thereof doesn't negate the fact that this deadline is looking like a disaster for Stearns. If Peters bombs but the Brewers wasted their efforts trading for a reliever who never appears in a game for them, it doesn't make the trade a good one. It just makes it less damaging. There's still time for Rosenthal to help this team and still time for Stearns' inability to add bats, to not prevent them from postseason success. But there's really no need to wave pom poms for the front office right now. 

[Axman59]

Do we have any reports as to whether Rosenthal was injured the other day?

The initial report was that he was leaving with the trainer after getting shelled in the game, which certainly suggests something injury related--especially given Rosenthal's sketchy health record, but I'd like to get some more info than what I currently have.

[LouisEly]

1 hour ago, True Blue Brew Crew said:

Peters future success or lack thereof doesn't negate the fact that this deadline is looking like a disaster for Stearns. If Peters bombs but the Brewers wasted their efforts trading for a reliever who never appears in a game for them, it doesn't make the trade a good one. It just makes it less damaging. There's still time for Rosenthal to help this team and still time for Stearns' inability to add bats, to not prevent them from postseason success. But there's really no need to wave pom poms for the front office right now. 

There's also no need to label it as a screw-up yet.

It was high-risk, high-reward.  Aren't those the types of moves we want the Brewers to make when in contention?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

16 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

There's also no need to label it as a screw-up yet.

It was high-risk, high-reward.  Aren't those the types of moves we want the Brewers to make when in contention?

Was it even high risk? Peters may turn into something, but chances are he flames out before making any kind of MLB impact. The Rosenthal acquisition was basically like buying a $2 scratch-off at the local 7-11. 

[Robocaller]

Did anyone think Rosenthal would just have a tuneup game or two and be back in the majors? Last night's bump in the road is probably not significant.

 

[Guest]

13 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Did anyone think Rosenthal would just have a tuneup game or two and be back in the majors? Last night's bump in the road is probably not significant.

 

I think most of us assumed and still do, that he likely won't pitch at all this year.

[Axman59]

I thought I would post this pic.

Since it's probably the only time we're going to see Rosenthal in a Brewers uniform this season.

[UpandIn]

11 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

Better to save the money for a real move. Better to save the prospect for a real trade. 

I'm always told we'd have to empty the farm system to make a significant deal, but we give away guys for Daniel Norris, John Curtis, Rosentha...

Yeah...that's another one that was annoying at the time. Daniel Norris? 

John Curtiss is an a different story. He was throwing well and a much needed reliever at the time. That's just bad luck.

Norris was another head scratching move. A soft tossing lefty and then Rosenthal who you could have just signed.

 

Teams are looking for MLB ready or near ready prospects. Reese Olson certainly looks like he'd have been one of those and Tristan Peters in a years time certainly could have fit that bill. 

Stearns has not been very good on smaller trades. Or maybe this was Matt Arnold. I don't know, but those two trades stand out in particular to me, not in hindsight, at the time. Again, Curtiss I'd blame on hindsight. Trading catcher depth, even a nice prospect for a guy who's ACTUALLY pitching well...if that doesn't work out, if he ends up getting hurt, that's baseball. 

Trading for injured or poorly performing pitchers and then just hoping it works out or not having room on your active roster to keep a guy like Lamet, again, not a complaint in hindsight, one at the time, those are valid questions to ask.

 

[LouisEly]

3 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Was it even high risk? Peters may turn into something, but chances are he flames out before making any kind of MLB impact. The Rosenthal acquisition was basically like buying a $2 scratch-off at the local 7-11. 

There's a small chance that he becomes the next Michael Brantley, so there is some risk and Rosenthal's injury status posed some risk.  But you're correct in that leftfielders without much power need to have a really elite hit tool in order to make the majors.

[Robocaller]

1 hour ago, timpep said:

I think most of us assumed and still do, that he likely won't pitch at all this year.

Then why complain about last night's setback?

 

[Guest]

56 minutes ago, Robocaller said:

Then why complain about last night's setback?

 

I guess because this is a place to discuss the Brewers and his performance or lack there of relates to the Brewers? 

I don't expect the Brewers to win the world series this year but I still want it to happen and I'll be disappointed if it doesn't. 

[Never Outhustled]

12 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Looking at Peters' results so far in AA, it appears that is a premature conclusion.

So Rosenthal is the only player Peters could be dealt for? Also, does a couple weeks of results supercede a prospects career performance?

[CheeseheadInQC]

12 hours ago, LouisEly said:

Looking at Peters' results so far in AA, it appears that is a premature conclusion.

Eh, sometimes guys struggle a bit after getting promoted, especially since it was his first in-season one. He wasn't one of their top prospects, but it also wouldn't be shocking if he ended up turning into a Nori Aoki-type hitter. It just felt like this was one of those cases where the Giants should have been glad to get Rosenthal off their books and the Brewers gave up a passable prospect in the deal as well.

[LouisEly]

15 hours ago, Never Outhustled said:

So Rosenthal is the only player Peters could be dealt for? Also, does a couple weeks of results supercede a prospects career performance?

Neither you nor I nor anyone outside of the Brewers front office know the answer to the first question.  But for a LF without much power, I doubt that the Brewers could get a player with a higher upside without Peters showing an elite hit tool above A-ball, which he hasn't so far.  It's a small sample, and all I said was that it's premature to judge whether this trade was a "screw up". 

As for the second question, teams generally weigh performance against top competition more heavily even if it is smaller samples than larger samples against lesser competition.  Whether that be AA, the AFL, the Cape Cod league, etc., teams value production against better competition even in smaller samples.  Again, all I said was that it's premature to call the trade a "screw up"; if Peters doesn't significantly improve in AA, then it wasn't a "screw up".

[edfunderburk]

Am I right on this assumption?

If Rosenthal is going to be available in the postseason (should the Brewers quality), he must be on their major league roster by 8/31

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Just now, edfunderburk said:

Am I right on this assumption?

If Rosenthal is going to be available in the postseason (should the Brewers quality), he must be on their major league roster by 8/31

He's already on the roster.

[edfunderburk]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

He's already on the roster.

Okay … how did I miss that fact? 

Has he pitched for Milwaukee yet?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

2 minutes ago, edfunderburk said:

Okay … how did I miss that fact? 

Has he pitched for Milwaukee yet?

Because he's been on the IL since he was acquired. 

[edfunderburk]

Just now, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Because he's been on the IL since he was acquired. 

Does he have to come off the IL by 8/31 to be eligible for postseason?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

1 minute ago, edfunderburk said:

Does he have to come off the IL by 8/31 to be eligible for postseason?

Nope. Players are added to the playoff roster off the IL throughout the playoffs pretty regularly. 

[Axman59]

2 hours ago, edfunderburk said:

Does he have to come off the IL by 8/31 to be eligible for postseason?

You only need to be on the 40 man now. Or if not on the 40 man roster, be on 60 day IL on 8/31 and have spent at least 60 days on the IL at the time of activation.

[AKCheesehead]

I still hope he pitches for Milwaukee this season.  No idea if that's realistic or not, I guess we'll see how he comes off that setback he had the other night.  He's got arm talent and is going to want to show it heading to free agency.

[edfunderburk]

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Welp, win some, lose some I suppose.