Dodgers (Kershaw) vs Brewers (Miley): 5/10/23, 12:40pm

[BruisedCrew]

46 minutes ago, Outlander said:

Well at least they play the Royals next. The Brewers have lost their fair share against bad teams but the Royals are the worst of the worst.

 

 

So were the Tigers and Rockies before facing the Brewers got them started. 

[82brewcrew82]

25 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Yelich has had some awful luck this season. He's hitting the ball way better than he has the last 2 seasons but has underperformed his xwOBA by .048 which will only go up after today.

At some point, the results matter regardless.

[wiguy94]

4 minutes ago, 82brewcrew82 said:

At some point, the results matter regardless.

I mean since 4/17 Yelich has an 8% BB-rate, 14% K-rate and an xwOBA of .387. He's underperforming that wOBA by .066 which is largely just down to being incredibly unlucky. He's underperformed his xwOBA by about .010 the last two season. If he was underperforming at that level this season his wOBA would be .350 good for like a 120 wRC+. 

It's fine to acknowledge he looks much better has been incredibly unlucky this season.

[Jim French Stepstool]

This was never going to be an elite offense. What bothered me today was the elements they need to be strong weren't. They get a little bit of momentum getting on the board in the 4th, then Miley & Contreras go out in the 5th & turn in some real, real ugly work. 

As difficult as it is, you need to make Kershaw work. Wasn't happening today; the strike zone the first couple innings took care of that. 

[Outlander]

40 minutes ago, BruisedCrew said:

So were the Tigers and Rockies before facing the Brewers got them started. 

The Royals are so much worse than those two, the Athletics and Royals are clearly the worst teams in the majors. Pretty much never expect a sweep but the Brewers better sweep the Royals.

[Brewcrew82]

2 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

Since when are hard hit shots up the middle guaranteed to be hits?

Most of the history of baseball....

[treego14]

Good time for a day off ... maybe the Brewers can negotiate with the players union and MLB to even the payrolls on our day off so we can compete better against the Dodgers.

Otherwise, we continue to cheer for David to slay Goliath ... I don't think God has skin in the baseball games, though.

[BruisedCrew]

17 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Most of the history of baseball....

So you want to change the rules of baseball even more than they already have to try to replicate results from the past.

Maybe they should also:

1. Ban scouting reports that allow teams to position players based on a hitter’s tendencies,

2. Draw lines on the field that are designated “safe zones” so that any ball hit between them is an automatic hit, and 

3. Mandate that any ball with an exit velocity over a certain number automatically entitles the batter to at least one base.

I honestly wasn’t sure if you were serious about this, but apparently you were.

 

 

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, BruisedCrew said:

So you want to change the rules of baseball even more than they already have to try to replicate results from the past.

Maybe they should also:

1. Ban scouting reports that allow teams to position players based on a hitter’s tendencies,

2. Draw lines on the field that are designated “safe zones” so that any ball hit between them is an automatic hit, and 

3. Mandate that any ball with an exit velocity over a certain number automatically entitles the batter to at least one base.

 

 

Lol. There's different ways to implement a shift ban. Rules change in all sports all the time. In my mind, hard hit balls up the middle should be base hits. Hard hit balls right at fielders are just part of the game and have always been part of the game. Frustrating, but a part of the game. Shifting fielders to the point where they're right behind 2B is a relatively recent phenomenon. 

You've got me close to pulling out the old man yells at cloud GIF...

[BruisedCrew]

13 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Lol. There's different ways to implement a shift ban. Rules change in all sports all the time. In my mind, hard hit balls up the middle should be base hits. Hard hit balls right at fielders are just part of the game and have always been part of the game. Frustrating, but a part of the game. Shifting fielders to the point where they're right behind 2B is a relatively recent phenomenon. 

You've got me close to pulling out the old man yells at cloud GIF...

Pull out whatever gifs you want, but I think your idea is silly. 

The fact that hard hit balls up the middle have usually been hits to me doesn’t mean they SHOULD be hits.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, BruisedCrew said:

Pull out whatever gifs you want, but I think your idea is silly. 

The fact that hard hit balls up the middle have usually been hits to me doesn’t mean they SHOULD be hits.

NBA has a restricted area. Wouldn't be any sillier. 

While for me personally it's an issue of the integrity of the game, at the end of the day for MLB, it's about money and entertainment. Hits and runs are a lot more entertaining. 

[wiguy94]

9 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

NBA has a restricted area. Wouldn't be any sillier. 

While for me personally it's an issue of the integrity of the game, at the end of the day for MLB, it's about money and entertainment. Hits and runs are a lot more entertaining. 

So where does it end then? Will there be an X on field for every position player? Why should no doubles defense be allowed in the OF if the IF can't shift towards the middle of the field?

[Brewcrew82]

7 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

So where does it end then? Will there be an X on field for every position player? Why should no doubles defense be allowed in the OF if the IF can't shift towards the middle of the field?

I certainly think there's a happy medium that can be struck where you can play no doubles defense yet not be able to line up directly behind 2B. It's not like that was the default situation for the entire history of the game until recently anyways....

What's the point of a shift ban if you can still employ a de facto shift? 

[wiguy94]

13 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I certainly think there's a happy medium that can be struck where you can play no doubles defense yet not be able to line up directly behind 2B. It's not like that was the default situation for the entire history of the game until recently anyways....

What's the point of a shift ban if you can still employ a de facto shift? 

It mostly just feels incredibly unnecessary. Should we bring back spit balls and sticky stuff because that used to be allowed?

Definitely should get rid of the DH and have pitchers hit again then. Only day games?

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

It mostly just feels incredibly unnecessary. Should we bring back spit balls and sticky stuff because that used to be allowed?

Definitely should get rid of the DH and have pitchers hit again then. Only day games?

"Happy medium" vs. bring back spitballs, eliminate the DH, lol

Definition of a strawman argument. 

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

"Happy medium" vs. bring back spitballs, eliminate the DH, lol

Definition of a strawman argument. 

I mean you're essentially calling for putting an X on the field and forcing defensive players to stand there. There's zero reason a well hit ball up the middle deserves to be a hit while a well hit ball to where the shortstop traditionally players deserves to be an out. You're just crying out about nostalgia from when you were a kid and hit were told to hit balls up the middle!

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I mean you're essentially calling for putting an X on the field and forcing defensive players to stand there. There's zero reason a well hit ball up the middle deserves to be a hit while a well hit ball to where the shortstop traditionally players deserves to be an out. You're just crying out about nostalgia from when you were a kid and hit were told to hit balls up the middle!

When I was a kid? I'm almost positive I'm younger than you...Sheesh. Just take a deep breath. 

[wiguy94]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

When I was a kid? I'm almost positive I'm younger than you...

Very doubtful but the point still stands.

Give a logical reason why a baseball hit up the middle should be a hit other than nostalgia because I'm pretty sure you can't.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Very doubtful but the point still stands.

Give a logical reason why a baseball hit up the middle should be a hit other than nostalgia because I'm pretty sure you can't.

I'm 26 FWIW. Based on your username, I'm guessing you're 2 years (or about) older than I am. 

Give me a reason why we should even have umps calling balls and strikes other than nostalgia....

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

I'm 26 FWIW. Based on your username, I'm guessing you're 2 years (or about) older than I am. 

Give me a reason why we should even have umps calling balls and strikes other than nostalgia....

That's a hilariously brutal attempt at a comparison but the fact you made it shows that you have no reason behind nostalgia so I appreciate you admit you were wrong!

[Brewcrew82]

11 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

That's a hilariously brutal attempt at a comparison but the fact you made it shows that you have no reason behind nostalgia. 

Why should we have banned shifts in the first place other than nostalgia? A lot about baseball is based on tradition and "nostalgia"...

As for reasons other than nostalgia, it would arguably lead to more hits and more runs. More hits and runs=more entertainment/fun. And if you're going to ban shifts in the first place, you might as well go all the way.

Your attempt at a "when I was a kid" slight was pretty hilarious and brutal, too. 

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Why should we have banned shifts in the first place other than nostalgia? A lot about baseball is based on tradition and "nostalgia"...

As for reasons other than nostalgia, it would arguably lead to more hits and more runs. More hits and runs=more entertainment/fun. 

Your attempt at a "when I was a kid" slight was pretty hilarious and brutal, too. 

They shoudn't have lol. It was completely unnecessary. Shifting has been around for a long time. They shifted against Mickey Mantle back in the day and those shifts were way more severe than anything that had been happening lately.

The logic in the shift ban was also pointless. The amount of shifting has increased because of hitters trying to hit for power to the pull side. Banning the shift to create "more balls in play" just enables those extreme pull hitters to continue trying to hit HR every time they are at the plate because now when they just miss one by pull a liner to short RF it goes for a hit instead of an out. 

There's a reason the list of hitters who would most benefit from the shift were a bunch of power hitters and not contact hitters. 

The kid remark was because all the "hits up the middle should be hits" people are just talking about nostalgia from when they were a kid and taught to hit the ball back up the middle. 

Nobody is going to tune in to baseball because hits up the middle are now hits. The idea that it adds to the entertainment factor is mostly just not true.