Brewers (Ashby) vs Phillies (Nola): 6/5/24, 3:05pm

[Brian]

26 minutes ago, Sixtolezcano said:

Except for the 5 walks. Only giving up 2 runs on 2 hits in 5 innings is good.

I didn't realize he had 5 walks. But your right giving up 2 runs in 5 innings was acceptable against the Phillies when your so short on pitching. Hopefully we can somewhat reset now with a day off. 

[Bulldogboy]

43 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

There isn't a manager, 3rd base coach or player anywhere in MLB that isn't going to sign off on Contreras trying to score there, especially with the INF back & probably even if it isn't. The only reason to hold at 3rd in that situation is if you have a time machine & know what's going to happen.

Stubbs bailed out Bohm by getting his foot in (of course) the perfect spot to block Contreras' hand. I mean, with the INF back & one out, you look like a total moron if you DON'T go.

This may be true today. This is a season long issue. I watch a lot of baseball. I see teams go weeks without having this happen. Now granted maybe it's happening more to the Brewers because they have more runners there but the talk here is why not send him? Well for one you can't score on a sac fly from first. Same with a wild pitch. The Brewers are doing this it appears regardless of how many outs they have.I would rather just stay put at third instead of running into a 90 percent out at home. I just don't buy into an outs an out defense. In fact I would guess the scout on the Brewers is infielder throw it home because they are running no matter what. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

This may be true today. This is a season long issue. I watch a lot of baseball. I see teams go weeks without having this happen. Now granted maybe it's happening more to the Brewers because they have more runners there but the talk here is why not send him? Well for one you can't score on a sac fly from first. Same with a wild pitch. I would rather just stay put at third instead of running into a 90 percent out at home. I just don't buy into an outs an out defense. In fact I would guess the scout on the Brewers is infielder throw it home because they are running no matter what. 

The Brewers scored twice in 28 innings of baseball against the Phillies - sending a runner home with 1 out in a tight game you are borderline getting no-hit during when the infield isn't playing in is the right call 100% of the time.

 

Teams that don't ever get runners thrown out at home wind up stranding more guys on 3rd base.  It's one thing to get guys thrown out by 10-15 feet with a series of bad sends, but being aggressive on the bases is how this team plays - and it's better than being too passive.

[yfinn6]

It's also taken good throws/good players most times to get the runners. 

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

58 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

The Brewers scored twice in 28 innings of baseball against the Phillies - sending a runner home with 1 out in a tight game you are borderline getting no-hit during when the infield isn't playing in is the right call 100% of the time.

 

Teams that don't ever get runners thrown out at home wind up stranding more guys on 3rd base.  It's one thing to get guys thrown out by 10-15 feet with a series of bad sends, but being aggressive on the bases is how this team plays - and it's better than being too passive.

Bingo. 2 runs in 28 innings was never going to avoid a sweep in this series.

We all want to step on the gas all the time, myself included, but if you're going to get swept, it may as well be against one of the best teams in baseball while you hold a seven game division lead.

We've got some more tough pitching matchups in the Tigers series. But our next like 20 games are pretty manageable. It's not an easy stretch, but there are opportunities to go something like 12-8, which would be just great heading close to the ASB. This series sucked, Put it behind us and take 2 of 3 this weekend.

[brewfanmn]

2 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

If Adames is your cleanup hitter you are two bats short. He should be hitting 6. The mountain of guys lob is crazy.

League-average wRC+ out of the cleanup spot is 110.

For teams who would be in the playoffs right now, it is 113.

Adames' wRC+ for the year is 117. He is an above-average cleanup hitter for a playoff team.

[Brock Beauchamp]

16 minutes ago, brewfanmn said:

League-average wRC+ out of the cleanup spot is 110.

For teams who would be in the playoffs right now, it is 113.

Adames' wRC+ for the year is 117. He is an above-average cleanup hitter for a playoff team.

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[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, Bulldogboy said:

This may be true today. This is a season long issue. I watch a lot of baseball. I see teams go weeks without having this happen. Now granted maybe it's happening more to the Brewers because they have more runners there but the talk here is why not send him? Well for one you can't score on a sac fly from first. Same with a wild pitch. The Brewers are doing this it appears regardless of how many outs they have.I would rather just stay put at third instead of running into a 90 percent out at home. I just don't buy into an outs an out defense. In fact I would guess the scout on the Brewers is infielder throw it home because they are running no matter what. 

W/ one out, what they're doing (and other teams as well) is banking on a play not being made well enough to field it, make a good throw, and get a catch & tag. I know it's frustrating when it doesn't work. But unless you have a sloth running at third no team is going to hold the runner w/one out & hope for one of the seven ways you can score from 3rd, or a base hit. You're banking on not only a bobble, but the ball not being fielded with the INF being squared up & ready to make an immediate throw. Why it hasn't worked for Milwaukee as often as we'd like I honestly think is luck-related more than anything else, because our strategy isn't much different than other teams. With no outs, I doubt they're trying it an inordinate amount of the time, or running "no matter what". If someone has such a stat I'd like to see it.

I'm sure such a scouting report doesn't exist. I mean, you're either playing the INF in & trying to cut off the run, or playing back & conceding. What happened today was a play by Bohm that Thomson didn't want him attempting, he defied his own managers' strategy, and got away with it. Again, typical of the way the week went.

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 hours ago, BruisedCrew said:

 

This could be a stat that says nothing about the team’s phiosophy.

I think it's exactly that, because I don't believe our philosophy is all that drastically different.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Honestly, the Brewers' offense has looked better than the Phillies' offense this series. We just have worse pitchers, which has made the difference. 

.........And we gave up only seven runs in three games, which speaks volumes about the Phils' pitching.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, yfinn6 said:

It's also taken good throws/good players most times to get the runners. 

Not to mention the ball basically put on a tee for their fielders. Have a guy hit a one-two hop fungo right at you, barely have to move your feet, you're able to step into the play & throw w/o your setup or rhythm being upset one iota. That happened about four times this week.

[brewmann04]

7 runs given up in 3 games vs Philly and we get swept.  I sure Matt was at these games and came away with his list for the deadline.

[Playing Catch]

2 hours ago, Bulldogboy said:

Now granted maybe it's happening more to the Brewers because they have more runners there

This is my guess. I think the Brewers simply are in this situation more often than most teams. Any "counting" stat will get swayed by other factors. Now, for all I know, they have the highest percentage in the league of getting thrown out in that situation, but as others have said, even THAT doesn't necessarily mean that the decision was wrong. The decision simply didn't work out. This happens all the time in baseball.

That's kind of how I look at this series. If Perkins catches either of those deep drives, if Alec Bohm would've made ONE error, as is his statistical probability based on his terrible defense. If the umps call interference on Stubbs' foot...

EVERYTHING went the way of the Phillies this series, including the health of the starting staffs. This is a credit to them, more than indicative of the Brewers. The Phillies look excellent.

[Bulldogboy]

4 hours ago, brewfanmn said:

League-average wRC+ out of the cleanup spot is 110.

For teams who would be in the playoffs right now, it is 113.

Adames' wRC+ for the year is 117. He is an above-average cleanup hitter for a playoff team.

Given the two guys hitting ahead of him this season three if you add Turang he has underperformed. Put the average cleanup hitter in this lineup with same opportunities and they would be better. He should not and would not be hitting cleanup on a good team. 

[BlightyBrew]

For the 3 game series

MIL  2 Runs 15 Hits 0 Errors 

Phil 7 Runs 18 Hits 0 Errors

Mil 1 HR / PHIL 3 HR

4 of Phillies 7 runs came off the longball.  1 of Brewers 2 runs came off the longball

This was a tough series but the Brewers were not outplayed.  We just lost and were swept.  Happens to every team.

Difference to me in the series was us giving up the longball and Philly not getting and error on defence.

We will play them again in September and we will play them in October.  Plenty of time to turn the tables on them.

 

[Bulldogboy]

What's clear now is the Chourio Frelick Perkins section of the outfield needs more juice. Go get another bat first outfielder who can drive in some runs. Ask Sox what they want for Robert.