Brewers acquire Dallas Keuchel

[bigred]

11 hours ago, EddieTheCousin said:

Trading Burnes and Chourio leading off on opening day.... I'm sorry but how exactly did the Brewers indicate they were "going for it" this season?

Who said "only" this year? They've been dangling that "we're contenders and going for it" carrot for several years now, but never make the "big" trade to actually prove they are. C'mon now, don't act like they haven't been saying that. Keep it real. 

[bigred]

Really? You just made my point. They've been a very solid, contending team, that keeps saying/implying they're going for the WS championship, but never make a trade to help get them over the top to actually contend with the big boys. Like I said, it's straight up gaslighting our fan base. 

[bigred]

8 hours ago, torts said:

Lol, or you could just... Not yet frustrated?  

In other words, be an emotionless robot? Lol SMDH

[bigred]

8 hours ago, Thurston Fluff said:

The team has never said they were "going for it." Theirs is a "more bites at the apple" appraoch which is the opposite of "going for it." I can understand why someone who thinks the team is doing the opposite of what they think they should do is frustrated but that's not the same as the team saying that's what they're doing.

They may not said those exact words, but unless you like denying reality, you know they definitely imply they're going to what's necessary to compete with the big teams, for several years mow, then never do. EVEN when they finally have a stacked farm system. 

[BrewerFan]

15 hours ago, bigred said:

As a fan, it's WAY beyond frustrating, constantly being led to believe the organization is "going for it", then watching the team continually not actually go for it, and make a trade(s) to actually go for it. Especially with the stacked farm system we currently have. Can you say "gaslighting", because that's basically what they constantly do with our fan base. It's sort of like the old State Farm commercial, with the old guy with the fishing pole. 

They've said "more bites at the apple," more than just about any team uses any phrase.

They traded Corbin Burnes this year. I don't know what you think is or should change. They're trying to be competitive every year and develop young talent because...that is the ONLY way they can be competitive year in and year out. 

Who's misleading you? I really don't understand. They want to win, they're trying to win. They're not going to sacrifice the future and make bad trades so they can win. It isn't much deeper than that. 

[tmwiese55]

The management that came in 8-9ish years ago have actually said the exact opposite of that is their plan.  But let's not let that get in the way of some negativity as 'fans' of a first place team. 

[bigred]

2 hours ago, Underachiever said:

The only “gaslighting” is from guys like you who watch a team go 48-33 and insist somehow that what they are doing is not working. There is no combination of moves that the Brewers can do to match up with the likes of what the Dodgers can put on the field. So they make incremental moves to try to improve the team. 

Do you even know what gaslighting is? Pretty sure you don't. 

[LouisEly]

I think there's an underlying method to the madness here.

The Brewers currently have four good pitchers on the 60-day IL that are likely to/hopefully come back during the season - Ross, Williams, Hall, Bukaskas.  When those guys come off of the 60-day IL, somebody is going to have to be DFA'd.

There is a point where you call up too many prospects due to guys going on the 60-day IL, because at some point you have to take guys off of the 40-man roster when those players come back. 

Easy to DFA guys such as Keuchel, Hernandez, Meeker, White, etc., because if they get claimed you aren't going to lose much if anything from your organization.  But when those guys start coming back from the 60-day IL and you have to DFA guys you traded assets for (Taylor Clarke, Chad Patrick) or potentially a prospect (Carlos Rodriguez) who could easily get claimed due to a roster crunch, that's not good either.

I just don't think they can add to the 40-man anyone else who is valuable to the org because at some point they will have to DFA someone valuable when Williams, Ross, Hall, and (possibly) Bukaskas come back.

[bigred]

1 minute ago, BrewerFan said:

They've said "more bites at the apple," more than just about any team uses any phrase.

They traded Corbin Burnes this year. I don't know what you think is or should change. They're trying to be competitive every year and develop young talent because...that is the ONLY way they can be competitive year in and year out. 

Who's misleading you? I really don't understand. They want to win, they're trying to win. They're not going to sacrifice the future and make bad trades so they can win. It isn't much deeper than that. 

Sigh, I just can't believe how many Brewer fan like to conveniently forget things the organization has said several times, for several years now, since they've been winning games? Does this fan base want a WS win, or not? They don't do what's necessary to get over the top. How do we usually do when they play the Dodgers, Phillies, etc? When's the last time they won a series against them? I get it, you disagree. Oh well, life goes on. 

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

I think there's an underlying method to the madness here.

The Brewers currently have four good pitchers on the 60-day IL that are likely to/hopefully come back during the season - Ross, Williams, Hall, Bukaskas.  When those guys come off of the 60-day IL, somebody is going to have to be DFA'd.

There is a point where you call up too many prospects due to guys going on the 60-day IL, because at some point you have to take guys off of the 40-man roster when those players come back. 

Easy to DFA guys such as Keuchel, Hernandez, Meeker, White, etc., because if they get claimed you aren't going to lose much if anything from your organization.  But when those guys start coming back from the 60-day IL and you have to DFA guys you traded assets for (Taylor Clarke, Chad Patrick) or potentially a prospect (Carlos Rodriguez) who could easily get claimed due to a roster crunch, that's not good either.

I just don't think they can add to the 40-man anyone else who is valuable to the org because at some point they will have to DFA someone valuable when Williams, Ross, Hall, and (possibly) Bukaskas come back.

I understand that. All I'm saying, is then the FO should stop acting like we're "true" contenders, and that they are REALLY going for a WS title. 

[bigred]

8 hours ago, torts said:

This.  When we become the pirates organization we can begin to be frustrated.  

And like I said, they dangle that carrot, with absolutely no intentions of ACTUALLY going for it, to help get them over the top. Just like that old old State Farm commercial. 

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, bigred said:

They may not said those exact words, but unless you like denying reality, you know they definitely imply they're going to what's necessary to compete with the big teams, for several years mow, then never do. EVEN when they finally have a stacked farm system. 

I honestly feel like they've done the exact opposite. They've made it clear they CAN'T do what the large market teams can and they're not going to try to. They've made a point of emphasizing their drafting ideology(under slot early and then more shots at high upside Prep arms or players later). 

The Pitching Lab, the LA Facilities. They've spent what's a LOT of money for this franchise to have some of the most advanced and cutting edge facilities to develop players...but they've made really no secret of the fact they just can't compete financially. 

 

I remember Attansio talking about trading Hader. He was defending the payroll talking about they didn't cut payroll and how nobody would have thought they'd pay a closer 11M. Well...that doesn't sound like an owner who's planning on competing with the likes of the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets when it comes to 'doing what it takes,' to compete with the big boys.

 

[bigred]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

I honestly feel like they've done the exact opposite. They've made it clear they CAN'T do what the large market teams can and they're not going to try to. They've made a point of emphasizing their drafting ideology(under slot early and then more shots at high upside Prep arms or players later). 

The Pitching Lab, the LA Facilities. They've spent what's a LOT of money for this franchise to have some of the most advanced and cutting edge facilities to develop players...but they've made really no secret of the fact they just can't compete financially. 

 

I remember Attansio talking about trading Hader. He was defending the payroll talking about they didn't cut payroll and how nobody would have thought they'd pay a closer 11M. Well...that doesn't sound like an owner who's planning on competing with the likes of the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets when it comes to 'doing what it takes,' to compete with the big boys.

 

Sooo, you're ok with staying in mediocrity? Ok then. 

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, bigred said:

Sigh, I just can't believe how many Brewer fan like to conveniently forget things the organization has said several times, for several years now, since they've been winning games? Does this fan base want a WS win, or not? They don't do what's necessary to get over the top. How do we usually do when they play the Dodgers, Phillies, etc? When's the last time they won a series against them? I get it, you disagree. Oh well, life goes on. 

Then show me. Show me what I have forgot or don't understand.

Show me when they've tried to fool us into believing they could make the types of moves the large market teams can make...because you're absolutely right, I must be forgetting if that's happened. 

The CLOSEST I can remember Attanasio coming is him saying they could have added any player's salary at the deadline when Soto was available in a trade. Any player who was traded, could have added their salary for that year. 

 

It should be really easy to find it they've constantly talked about making these big moves. 

[BrewerFan]

Just now, bigred said:

Sooo, you're ok with staying in mediocrity? Ok then. 

No...not at all. That's why I LIKE how the Brewers operate.

Because 48-33 sure as hell isn't mediocrity...but every year they've been good, if they made the "go for it' trades that people have pushed, aside from most just not working out, they sure wouldn't be 48-33 this year had they done that. 

[Brian]

2 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

I think there's an underlying method to the madness here.

The Brewers currently have four good pitchers on the 60-day IL that are likely to/hopefully come back during the season - Ross, Williams, Hall, Bukaskas.  When those guys come off of the 60-day IL, somebody is going to have to be DFA'd.

There is a point where you call up too many prospects due to guys going on the 60-day IL, because at some point you have to take guys off of the 40-man roster when those players come back. 

Easy to DFA guys such as Keuchel, Hernandez, Meeker, White, etc., because if they get claimed you aren't going to lose much if anything from your organization.  But when those guys start coming back from the 60-day IL and you have to DFA guys you traded assets for (Taylor Clarke, Chad Patrick) or potentially a prospect (Carlos Rodriguez) who could easily get claimed due to a roster crunch, that's not good either.

I just don't think they can add to the 40-man anyone else who is valuable to the org because at some point they will have to DFA someone valuable when Williams, Ross, Hall, and (possibly) Bukaskas come back.

Perfectly said, some of theses guys think Murphy runs the whole organization and they don't seem to understand we are just buying time (weeks) until we get our regular pitchers back from injury. We are not keeping them for the rest of the season.

Hopefully when the injured do come back they will be as good as before they were injured. 

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Then show me. Show me what I have forgot or don't understand.

Show me when they've tried to fool us into believing they could make the types of moves the large market teams can make...because you're absolutely right, I must be forgetting if that's happened. 

The CLOSEST I can remember Attanasio coming is him saying they could have added any player's salary at the deadline when Soto was available in a trade. Any player who was traded, could have added their salary for that year. 

 

It should be really easy to find it they've constantly talked about making these big moves. 

I won't even try, because you're in denial that they have implied that, many times. I understand, you disagree. Like I said, life goes on. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 hour ago, Redd Vencher said:

Who's available that is still in their prime? The one you're vaguely referring to certainly isn't. 

On the baseball field, in your opinion exactly what has Trevor Bauer been doing that tells you he couldn't still be a really good starting pitcher at the MLB level at 33 yrs old and in seemingly good health?  It's not the Phillies, but he did just strike out 19 guys over 8.2 IP in his last start south of the border. 

Had he not been suspended by MLB in 2021, Bauer's last MLB partial season with the Dodgers when he was sporting a 2.59 ERA, Corbin Burnes may not have a Cy Young and Bauer could have at least two in the last 4 mlb seasons.

 

[BrewerFan]

Just now, bigred said:

I won't even try, because you're in denial that they have implied that, many times. I understand, you disagree. Like I said, life goes on. 

Ok. I suspect it's more because this is a perception you have in your head as opposed to EVERYTHING the Brewers and their Front Office have said and done.

If you show me evidence that proves me wrong, I'm more than willing to accept that.

If you say 'trust me, you're in denial, but I'm not going to bother to try,' then...it feels like that supports what I've said more than anything...

 

THIS has been the Milwaukee Brewers 'creed' effectively since Stearns and then Arnold have been running things and Attanasio has stepped back. 

 

[Brian]

11 minutes ago, bigred said:

Sooo, you're ok with staying in mediocrity? Ok then. 

Do you understand that there are 30 teams in the MLB and only 4 have a better record than the Brewers and you call it mediocrity?

[bigred]

5 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok. I suspect it's more because this is a perception you have in your head as opposed to EVERYTHING the Brewers and their Front Office have said and done.

If you show me evidence that proves me wrong, I'm more than willing to accept that.

If you say 'trust me, you're in denial, but I'm not going to bother to try,' then...it feels like that supports what I've said more than anything...

 

THIS has been the Milwaukee Brewers 'creed' effectively since Stearns and then Arnold have been running things and Attanasio has stepped back. 

 

How many "bites" are they going to take, before they actually try and finally sink their teeth in, and actually try to win it all? When? So only trying to win division titles, with no REAL intention of actually winning it all, is ok for you? Ok, I'm not ok with that though. 

[bigred]

5 minutes ago, Brian said:

Do you understand that there are 30 teams in the MLB and only 4 have a better record than the Brewers and you call it mediocrity?

My point is division titles are great, trying to stay competitive is great, but simply getting to the playoffs isn't so great, when it's apparent they have no intentions of actually making a move or 2 to help get us over the top. What's the point of getting to the playoffs, without a real chance of actually winning it all? Yeah, to me, that's being ok with mediocrity. 

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, bigred said:

How many "bites" are they going to take, before they actually try and finally sink their teeth in, and actually try to win it all? When? So only trying to win division titles, with no REAL intention of actually winning it all, is ok for you? Ok, I'm not ok with that though. 

Ok...so which is it, you fundamentally disagree with their philosophy, or you believe they've lied about it?

It feels pretty obvious that Baseball is about getting hot at the right time. The Dodgers have had the most talent several years and not won it, the Braves were very clearly the best team in the NL last year...and who won the NL?

AZ. So I'll take them winning the division year in and year out rather than trying to make some big move to 'try and compete' with the big markets. 

I also don't actually have a say in it and there's NOTHING more annoying than someone THIS discussion.

'So you're alright with mediocrity.' Or this new "sink your teeth in," vague phrase. 

What does that entail exactly? You explain to me what "sinking their teeth in," means? Should they trade Misiorowski and Quero, screw the future?

And then is whatever player we're acquiring, is there any guarantee we're going to win?

 

This wasn't even supposed to be the year for this group. The window is JUST opening and you want to make sure you..."sink your teeth" into what? Crochet? A guy who's thrown about 1/3rd of the innings since HS, the last 8 years, this year? Who else? Or...is this a 'not gonna even bother' one also? 

[Brian]

3 minutes ago, bigred said:

My point is division titles are great, trying to stay competitive is great, but simply getting to the playoffs isn't so great, when it's apparent they have no intentions of actually making a move or 2 to help get us over the top. What's the point of getting to the playoffs, without a real chance of actually winning it all? Yeah, to me, that's being ok with mediocrity. 

The trade deadline is still 6 weeks away. So we have 6 more weeks to do something. Trust me this is not going to be our only move. 

[bigred]

6 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Ok...so which is it, you fundamentally disagree with their philosophy, or you believe they've lied about it?

It feels pretty obvious that Baseball is about getting hot at the right time. The Dodgers have had the most talent several years and not won it, the Braves were very clearly the best team in the NL last year...and who won the NL?

AZ. So I'll take them winning the division year in and year out rather than trying to make some big move to 'try and compete' with the big markets. 

I also don't actually have a say in it and there's NOTHING more annoying than someone THIS discussion.

'So you're alright with mediocrity.' Or this new "sink your teeth in," vague phrase. 

What does that entail exactly? You explain to me what "sinking their teeth in," means? Should they trade Misiorowski and Quero, screw the future?

And then is whatever player we're acquiring, is there any guarantee we're going to win?

 

This wasn't even supposed to be the year for this group. The window is JUST opening and you want to make sure you..."sink your teeth" into what? Crochet? A guy who's thrown about 1/3rd of the innings since HS, the last 8 years, this year? Who else? Or...is this a 'not gonna even bother' one also? 

Simply getting to the playoffs isn't enough for me, if they have no intentions to make a move and help them over the top, to have a real chance of winning it all. Sue me. Lol