2024-25 Offseason Ideas

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, jay87shot said:

I hear you, I still have hope in Sal becoming a .300 hitter and think Mitchell has some 30/30 potential but both are risky and cheap enough that waiting is smart.

I can see Frelick being a .300 hitter, but 30/30 for Mitchell? He's not a power hitter. He's got...I think 35 HRs in all of College the Minors and now MLB. And he doesn't have many more stolen bases.

If he's going to hit more than 10-15, he's going to have to be able to handle a 94MPH fastball dead read. He swings and misses at those a LOT(relatively speaking). 

I guess 30 SBs is reasonable...if he can stay healthy, but if you gave me two choices, 1-Mitchell is playing 140 games and going 15/30 or he's hitting .200 and striking out 30% of the time next year...I'd put money on the later before the prior.

I hope he's good, I just don't have much faith. 

He's got the build and athletic ability however, I just don't see it. Hope I'm wrong.

 

2 hours ago, nate82 said:

I am not sure how much better Hoskins will be next year but it probably won't be all that much.

I think next year something like a slash line of .230/.330/.450 should be doable. 

His career OPS coming into this year was .845 over a pretty good sample size.
His career worst was just under .800 and a career-worst and an OPS+ of 125

But if he "just" improves .24 points, .38 points and .48 points respectively and just improves his OPS by ~90 points, I'll be thrilled he chose to stay for 14M in '25.

His .206/.292/.402 and 694 OPS is clearly the outlier year in his career thus far.

His BABIP being ~60 points lower than his last season likely isn't helpful either, but...he's a good hitter. 

Zips projects close to what you have...but I'd be thrilled to get him back next year. I think he's going to be back after missing all of '23 and ready to get one more big contract at 32 going into 33.

Zips has him at ~240/.340/.450 and ~790 next year

  I'll go .245/.345/.475 with ~30 and 100 next and back to his .900 career OPS vs left-handed pitching.

I just think this is a team that's really maturing, losing Adames, but Chourio will be an MVP caliber player, Yellich...maybe he hits similar to this year? .310/.380/.500 over 135 games(this is a back injury he's dealt with his whole career, and those who've had it said they experienced instant relief and the guy is SO talented. Contreras is a legit middle-of-the-order thread. Turang I'm irrationally high on, I've called him a slightly poor man's Turner since Aball, I'm thinking .270/360/400. That's Turang/Chourio/Yelich/Contreras/Rhys, then I've got Frelick, .300/.330/.400, Ortiz-.260/.340/.440/ Black-1B, let him work on a position all year. .265/.330/400, should be able to field the position well given his athletic ability and then Perkins or Mitchell, both of whom I think will be similar to what they are this year.
That lineup would be elite if Turang is who I think he is, Hoskins returns to just the worst year of his career pre-Milwaukee and Yelich is healthy and 80% of himself from this year and of course, the guy I think we all agree on, Chourio just blowing up next year. I think .300/.360/.540 and 40/40 is possible. Just extrapolate his last 66 games and it's a full season of ~320/.375/565 with 32 HRs/112 RBs, 30 SBs, and the kid is 20. I might be underselling what he does, but put TWO MVP caliber hitters in the middle of the order with Contreras and I think so much of the pressures falls off the shoulders of Hoskins, he can be the #3/4 hitter on the team and they're going to be happy he's back, offer him the QO in '25 and get a pick in '26. Just my opinion of how it'll play out. pressure

This could be a GREAT lineup vs RHP

Turang(SS), Chourio(LF), Yelich(DH), Contreras(C), Black(1B), Hoskins(DH), Mitchell/Perkins(CF), Ortiz(3B), 2B(Ahmed Rosario, maybe Brandon Lowe if he's cheap, Collins, Monasterio...maybe Cooper Pratt, they'll find someone to play 3B or 2B and arrange the SS accordingly

But even at Zips number, that's still well worth the 14M. Who else are you adding that's likely to give you more for that offensive? Maybe a Perkins type who'll post a better WAR, but we've got pretty much everything but corner IF...so unless we can pick up a guy like Suarez to play 3B(which I'd happily take, but suspect he'd cost more than 14M) or trade for a guy like Lowe and move Turang to SS)...

 

The offense is going to be a mix of the '92 Brewers and the '08 Brewers. Speed and power, but I don't even think that's going to be the strength of the team. I think THAT will be the staff. 

 

Williams, Megill, Uribe, Hudson, Mears, Koenig, Yoho

Peralta, Rea, Myers, Woodruff, Ashby, Hall, Miley I think back(cheap, I think he'll get 20 starts), Patrick HAS to get a shot, Gasser, Henderson, Misirowski, Carlos Rodriguez, and in another year, who knows who else.

 

I love this team right NOW...they're peaking at the right time, Ashby, and Hall, In look unhittable, you have a a great pen, especially if Hudson is back, they're hitting, and playing small ball, so this might be the year...but this '25 team feels like the '11 Packers. 2010, they were supposed to be good. 2011, they were REALLY supposed to be(and were) great in the regular season. Let's just hope it plays out differently!

 

(Sorry, as many know, if Brevity is the Soul of wit, my wit is soulless).

[wiguy94]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I can see Frelick being a .300 hitter, but 30/30 for Mitchell? He's not a power hitter. He's got...I think 35 HRs in all of College the Minors and now MLB. And he doesn't have many more stolen bases.

If he's going to hit more than 10-15, he's going to have to be able to handle a 94MPH fastball dead read. He swings and misses at those a LOT(relatively speaking). 

Mitchell has 10 HR in 322 career PA. That's basically 20 HR pace. He absolutely has the raw power to hit 30 HR in a season.

[Brewcrew82]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I can see Frelick being a .300 hitter, but 30/30 for Mitchell? He's not a power hitter. He's got...I think 35 HRs in all of College the Minors and now MLB. And he doesn't have many more stolen bases.

If he's going to hit more than 10-15, he's going to have to be able to handle a 94MPH fastball dead read. He swings and misses at those a LOT(relatively speaking). 

I guess 30 SBs is reasonable...if he can stay healthy, but if you gave me two choices, 1-Mitchell is playing 140 games and going 15/30 or he's hitting .200 and striking out 30% of the time next year...I'd put money on the later before the prior.

I hope he's good, I just don't have much faith. 

He's got the build and athletic ability however, I just don't see it. Hope I'm wrong.

 

His career OPS coming into this year was .845 over a pretty good sample size.
His career worst was just under .800 and a career-worst and an OPS+ of 125

But if he "just" improves .24 points, .38 points and .48 points respectively and just improves his OPS by ~90 points, I'll be thrilled he chose to stay for 14M in '25.

His .206/.292/.402 and 694 OPS is clearly the outlier year in his career thus far.

His BABIP being ~60 points lower than his last season likely isn't helpful either, but...he's a good hitter. 

Zips projects close to what you have...but I'd be thrilled to get him back next year. I think he's going to be back after missing all of '23 and ready to get one more big contract at 32 going into 33.

Zips has him at ~240/.340/.450 and ~790 next year

  I'll go .245/.345/.475 with ~30 and 100 next and back to his .900 career OPS vs left-handed pitching.

I just think this is a team that's really maturing, losing Adames, but Chourio will be an MVP caliber player, Yellich...maybe he hits similar to this year? .310/.380/.500 over 135 games(this is a back injury he's dealt with his whole career, and those who've had it said they experienced instant relief and the guy is SO talented. Contreras is a legit middle-of-the-order thread. Turang I'm irrationally high on, I've called him a slightly poor man's Turner since Aball, I'm thinking .270/360/400. That's Turang/Chourio/Yelich/Contreras/Rhys, then I've got Frelick, .300/.330/.400, Ortiz-.260/.340/.440/ Black-1B, let him work on a position all year. .265/.330/400, should be able to field the position well given his athletic ability and then Perkins or Mitchell, both of whom I think will be similar to what they are this year.
That lineup would be elite if Turang is who I think he is, Hoskins returns to just the worst year of his career pre-Milwaukee and Yelich is healthy and 80% of himself from this year and of course, the guy I think we all agree on, Chourio just blowing up next year. I think .300/.360/.540 and 40/40 is possible. Just extrapolate his last 66 games and it's a full season of ~320/.375/565 with 32 HRs/112 RBs, 30 SBs, and the kid is 20. I might be underselling what he does, but put TWO MVP caliber hitters in the middle of the order with Contreras and I think so much of the pressures falls off the shoulders of Hoskins, he can be the #3/4 hitter on the team and they're going to be happy he's back, offer him the QO in '25 and get a pick in '26. Just my opinion of how it'll play out. pressure

This could be a GREAT lineup vs RHP

Turang(SS), Chourio(LF), Yelich(DH), Contreras(C), Black(1B), Hoskins(DH), Mitchell/Perkins(CF), Ortiz(3B), 2B(Ahmed Rosario, maybe Brandon Lowe if he's cheap, Collins, Monasterio...maybe Cooper Pratt, they'll find someone to play 3B or 2B and arrange the SS accordingly

But even at Zips number, that's still well worth the 14M. Who else are you adding that's likely to give you more for that offensive? Maybe a Perkins type who'll post a better WAR, but we've got pretty much everything but corner IF...so unless we can pick up a guy like Suarez to play 3B(which I'd happily take, but suspect he'd cost more than 14M) or trade for a guy like Lowe and move Turang to SS)...

 

The offense is going to be a mix of the '92 Brewers and the '08 Brewers. Speed and power, but I don't even think that's going to be the strength of the team. I think THAT will be the staff. 

 

Williams, Megill, Uribe, Hudson, Mears, Koenig, Yoho

Peralta, Rea, Myers, Woodruff, Ashby, Hall, Miley I think back(cheap, I think he'll get 20 starts), Patrick HAS to get a shot, Gasser, Henderson, Misirowski, Carlos Rodriguez, and in another year, who knows who else.

 

I love this team right NOW...they're peaking at the right time, Ashby, and Hall, In look unhittable, you have a a great pen, especially if Hudson is back, they're hitting, and playing small ball, so this might be the year...but this '25 team feels like the '11 Packers. 2010, they were supposed to be good. 2011, they were REALLY supposed to be(and were) great in the regular season. Let's just hope it plays out differently!

 

(Sorry, as many know, if Brevity is the Soul of wit, my wit is soulless).

The only thing is Ortiz will almost certainly take over at SS for Willy and not Turang. Ortiz has the better arm and bat for SS.

The way to replace Adames is by adding a power bat at 3B or at corner OF. 3B free agent class is a bit shallower with just Suarez really filling that need for us. Corner OF you have some more options with O’Neil, Hernandez, and Santander. 

Pick up Suarez and you can go:

C: Contreras, 1B: Hoskins, 2B: Turang, SS: Ortiz, 3B: Suarez, LF: Chourio, CF: Mitchell, RF Frelick, DH: Yelich

Pickup Santander for example, you can trade Frelick and then sign a lighter hitter at 3B/SS like a Rojas. 

C: Contreras, 1B: Hoskins, 2B: Turang, SS: Ortiz/Rojas, 3B: Ortiz/Rojas, LF: Chourio CF: Mitchell, RF: Santander, DH: Yelich 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The only thing is Ortiz will almost certainly take over at SS for Willy and not Turang. Ortiz has the better arm and bat for SS.

I don't know the prior is true. If you're going off baseball savant, that's comparing apples to oranges. Ortiz top throws, he plants or gets a crow-hop. Turang's top throws are he's coming over, covering second and at best planting and throwing. 

So I don't know if Ortiz has the stronger arm. I think if Turang were playing third and could get into throws, he'd be at...83.7 vs 80.6 or whatever it is. I know I looked at a couple guys like Nico Hoerner and he's got 9-10 more MPH on his throws at SS than at 2B. It's just the nature of the throws. Turagn's are usually in the hole, falling away, jumping to his feet and having to flip his hips. So I don't think his arm is stronger just because of Baseball savant. They were both SS, they both have the same grade on their arm...and I prefer Turang there as I think he's got much better hands,  but he has been so good at 2B, they may want to leave him there. Plus, they may find a 3B which makes it simpler. But if I was Turang, I'd...advocate for myself.

As for the Bats...with respect, what difference does it make? They're both going to be in the starting lineup, we agree there. 

So now it's about who's replacing who. A 2B replacing Turang or a 3B replacing Ortiz. If you can get a power hitting 3B, great.

 

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The way to replace Adames is by adding a power bat at 3B or at corner OF. 3B free agent class is a bit shallower with just Suarez really filling that need for us. Corner OF you have some more options with O’Neil, Hernandez, and Santander. 

Yeah, I think AZ is probably going to trade Suarez if anything. Lawler is ready...I guess they'd probably have him play 3B for a year or maybe the first few. If Hoskins is gone, that'd be well work. If not, I'm not sure they'll add another player at 15M.

I don't think we'll be competitive on Santander. I think he gets 5/100 from Baltimore (at least that's the rumor, I wouldn't pay a 29 year old power hitter were I them, but he's a big glue guy according to the fan sites).

 

Suarez is the best option. But I also don't actually think you need to "replace," Willy's production. I think you can do that as a team. I think Black over Bauers, a full year from Chourio and hopefully Yelich, I think you'll get more from Frelick, Turang...maybe Mitchell or...I mean, who knows at this point.

We lost Bunres, Woody and Williams for half the year and this staff has gotten better. And it helps elsewhere as well. The Nats with Harper or pretty much any team.

 

I'd love to add either D-backs corner IFers for a year or two, but I like this team either way. I hope I'm wrong on Mitchell as well. He's so talented, Maybe it's just one adjustment and those FBs down the middle will become doubles and HRs. 

[BrewerFan]

11 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Mitchell has 10 HR in 322 career PA. That's basically 20 HR pace. He absolutely has the raw power to hit 30 HR in a season.

Mitchell has...~35 HRs in his entire post-high school life. He's going to be 27 next year.

He hits the ball on the ground as much as almost anyone in MLB...

Yeah, he big and strong...and he hits the ball on the ground and has shown absolutely no signs of being anything close to a 30/30 type hitter. 

 

Raw Power is great. How far you can hit a baseball makes for very interesting Batting Practice. When you hit the ball in the games is a lot more relevant. Ernesto Martinez absolutely has the "raw power" to hit 30 HR in a season. 

Garrett Mitchell's value comes from a near 400 BABIP by hitting the ball on the ground, working the count and playing great defense. Expecting him, especially with his injury concerns to go 30/30 is....not something I think it realistic. Do you? Or are you just telling me he's strong?

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Hoskins, if he left, would be leaving $18M on the table not $14M.

 

18 million player option. 4 million buyout. 

This really doesn't need to be complicated. We're talking about his 2025 salary. 

.825 career OPS.

The POINT...the fans who are wishing/hoping he'd opt out,, they'd likely regret it come '25. that's it. Especially as we're unlikely to add someone who'll match his production in '25 for 14M.

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Mitchell has...~35 HRs in his entire post-high school life. He's going to be 27 next year.

He hits the ball on the ground as much as almost anyone in MLB...

Yeah, he big and strong...and he hits the ball on the ground and has shown absolutely no signs of being anything close to a 30/30 type hitter. 

Raw Power is great. How far you can hit a baseball makes for very interesting Batting Practice. When you hit the ball in the games is a lot more relevant. Ernesto Martinez absolutely has the "raw power" to hit 30 HR in a season. 

Garrett Mitchell's value comes from a near 400 BABIP by hitting the ball on the ground, working the count and playing great defense. Expecting him, especially with his injury concerns to go 30/30 is....not something I think it realistic. Do you? Or are you just telling me he's strong?

Mitchell now has 11 HR in 328 career MLB PA. That's 21/22 HR per 650 PA pace. Yet you say he'd be fortunate to hit 10-15 HR a season. His barrel rate is pushing 10% after tonight in his career. A guy with 600 PA and a 10% barrel rate can absolutely put up 30 HR.

Also it's kind of funny that you keep citing post HS career as if college matters. In his professional baseball career he has 27 HR in 834 PA which is 21 HR per 650 PA pace. Basically both his MiLB and MLB HR per season pace is 20 and you say he's a 10-15 HR a season kind of guy. Meanwhile you think Frelick who has an MLB BA under .260 in his career with 1st percentile batted ball metrics is a .300 hitter in the MLB. Make it make sense please.

$14M in 2025 not counting the buyout plus the $4M buyout in 2026 is a $18M guaranteed he'd be passing up if he opted out. Not $14M. That's just facts. His career OPS is irrelevant. He's 32 before opening day next year and is coming off a missed year and a really bad year. Jesse Winker had a career .813 OPS and 121 wRC+ going into FA last year and signed a 1 year deal for $2M. Surely he should have gotten way more than that by your logic, right?

[BrewerFan]

35 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Mitchell now has 11 HR in 328 career MLB PA. That's 21/22 HR per 650 PA pace. Yet you say he'd be fortunate to hit 10-15 HR a season. His barrel rate is pushing 10% after tonight in his career. A guy with 600 PA and a 10% barrel rate can absolutely put up 30 HR.

Also it's kind of funny that you keep citing post HS career as if college matters. In his professional baseball career he has 27 HR in 834 PA which is 21 HR per 650 PA pace. Basically both his MiLB and MLB HR per season pace is 20 and you say he's a 10-15 HR a season kind of guy. Meanwhile you think Frelick who has an MLB BA under .260 in his career with 1st percentile batted ball metrics is a .300 hitter in the MLB. Make it make sense please.

$14M in 2025 not counting the buyout plus the $4M buyout in 2026 is a $18M guaranteed he'd be passing up if he opted out. Not $14M. That's just facts. His career OPS is irrelevant. He's 32 before opening day next year and is coming off a missed year and a really bad year. Jesse Winker had a career .813 OPS and 121 wRC+ going into FA last year and signed a 1 year deal for $2M. Surely he should have gotten way more than that by your logic, right?

I'll entertain this when he hits 10 in a season...

But Mitchell barely hits 30 HRs since HS is NOT relevant and "doesn't matter," but Jesse Winker, of the .~580 OPS and ONE HR(a year after a season that's worse than the one Hoskins is having this year) getting 2M makes what point? That being worse than Hoskins both in his career and the previous two seasons and he was still worth 2M GTD?

 

LOL...what the hell are we even arguing about here? I don't think Mitchell will be a 30/30 guy and I don't think it's a bad thing if Hoskins opts in given his career as a hitter.

I think it helps to hit the ball in the air, I think striking out   ~33% of the time while hitting a FB ~21% of the time with a 3.8 LA isn't exactly conducive to hitting 30 HRs.

He also doesn't have to hit 30 HRs to be a productive player. He just needs to stay healthy, hopefully keep beating out IF hits, maintain his ~.388 BABIP and steal some bases. 

 

But I'd be THRILLED if he turns into an MVP candidate(Which is what his defense playing all season, hitting 30 HRs  and stealing 30 bases would be). 

[Playing Catch]

We can disagree if it's Ortiz or Turang at short, and whether or not Hoskins will be worth it, who they can sign as a backup to Contreras, and whether or not to trade an OFer, but the REAL conundrum is third base.

If they did nothing, they'd have Monasterio, Collins, Capra, Dunn, Miller, (Black), and perhaps Wilken and Boeve.

Free agents: Bregman, Urshela, Moncada, (maybe Suarez). If we include INF, that adds Kim, Farmer, Rojas, Paul DeJong, Gleyber Torres, Drury. There are a few others that are not starter quality.

I dislike nearly all of these options. I suppose I'd prefer to have some kind of platoon with Collins/Capra/Dunn, more than splashing cash on Bregman or Kim. I don't know that I'd like any of the other options, unless Torres can play 3rd. IF Torres can play 3rd, I'd be okay with signing him as a regular IFer, but only on a one-year deal. I know a couple of you mentioned Suarez, but one, I think the option will be picked up, and two, he scares the bajeezus out of me. Dude is capable of hitting 35 bombs, or batting .135.

I liked the Frelick for Miranda offer someone threw out there a while ago, and there are other post-hype guys, like Brett Baty, or no-hype blossoms, like Josh Smith that could be options. But most of those guys seem pretty risky, too.

I can't help but think they're not going to actively address third base, choosing instead to platoon utility guys there. This would be disappointing, but it seems like there is nothing but disappointing options. 

edit:  After some thought, I think I'd want them to sign Gleyber Torres on a pillow contract to play third base.

[jay87shot]

How much would it cost to keep Haase? He has been sensational in 55 ab's and would be a great backup next year. I can't see us wanting/needing Sanchez back and Quero is going to need some time. 1/3?

If we are signing/trading for a 3B I like the idea of trading for on from Texas, they have Jung, Smith, Foscue, and Duran as options and could use a reliever like Devin really bad (unless the pay Kirby Yates this offseason) or even lesser bullpens arms like Peguero, Milner, Wilson, Payamps. I wouldn't mind a guy like Gleyber or Moncada but they seem a bit more risky with position changes or injuries. 

Would a Reds 3B/1B option be a possibility they have Elly, Steer, Marte, India, McClain, Espinal, France, Candelario, Encarnacion-Strand and some prospects as infield options. Obviously some of those don't fit but I would love a Spencer Steer for Sal Frelick and a reliever based deal.  Steer could play some 3B and 1B and OF if need be, I am sure the Reds would want something different ie not Sal or to trade Candy/India/CES. The Rays have a little of that in the IF as well with guys like Curtis Mead and Jonathan Aranda as potential extra trade pieces at 3B.

[wiguy94]

32 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

How much would it cost to keep Haase? He has been sensational in 55 ab's and would be a great backup next year. I can't see us wanting/needing Sanchez back and Quero is going to need some time. 1/3?

If we are signing/trading for a 3B I like the idea of trading for on from Texas, they have Jung, Smith, Foscue, and Duran as options and could use a reliever like Devin really bad (unless the pay Kirby Yates this offseason) or even lesser bullpens arms like Peguero, Milner, Wilson, Payamps. I wouldn't mind a guy like Gleyber or Moncada but they seem a bit more risky with position changes or injuries. 

Would a Reds 3B/1B option be a possibility they have Elly, Steer, Marte, India, McClain, Espinal, France, Candelario, Encarnacion-Strand and some prospects as infield options. Obviously some of those don't fit but I would love a Spencer Steer for Sal Frelick and a reliever based deal.  Steer could play some 3B and 1B and OF if need be, I am sure the Reds would want something different ie not Sal or to trade Candy/India/CES. The Rays have a little of that in the IF as well with guys like Curtis Mead and Jonathan Aranda as potential extra trade pieces at 3B.

He's under team control through the 2026 season. 

[jay87shot]

1 hour ago, wiguy94 said:

He's under team control through the 2026 season. 

Well that is awesome, I totally forgot he was still in the arbitration process. Haase seems like an easy guy to keep as a backup next year and beyond possibly.

[wiguy94]

Just now, jay87shot said:

Well that is awesome, I totally forgot he was still in the arbitration process. Haase seems like an easy guy to keep as a backup next year and beyond possibly.

I have to imagine the reason we have kept 3 catchers for half the season with Haase rarely playing is almost entirely because they want to bring him back as a backup catcher next season.

[jay87shot]

Please double check my work on next year's 40 man

Likely to be kept pitchers(20)= Ashby, Bauk, Civale, Gasser (eventually to 60 DL), Hall, Hudson, Koenig, Mears, Megill, Myers, Paredes, Payamps, Peguero, Peralta, Rea, CarRod, Uribe, Devin, Wilson, Woody

Others (4): Hoby (non-tender iffy), Herget, Jay, Zas (last 3 roster bubble overload)

Potential Prospect Adds (6): Henderson, Patrick, Smith,  Misi, Yoho, Crow, and White

Likely batters kept (15): Contreras, Quero, Haase, Black, Dunn, Hoskins, Ortiz, Turang, Chourio, Sal, Mitchell, Perk, Yeli, Collins, Mone

Others (3): Bauers (non-tender iffy), Capra, Hicklen

Prospects (1): EMJ

I am sure there are a couple more potential 40 man prospect adds that could be added. However to me it looks like 35 guaranteed roster spots with 7-14 other players who are worthy and that;s not before we add a couple players in the offseason.

[wiguy94]

16 minutes ago, jay87shot said:

Please double check my work on next year's 40 man

Likely to be kept pitchers(20)= Ashby, Bauk, Civale, Gasser (eventually to 60 DL), Hall, Hudson, Koenig, Mears, Megill, Myers, Paredes, Payamps, Peguero, Peralta, Rea, CarRod, Uribe, Devin, Wilson, Woody

Others (4): Hoby (non-tender iffy), Herget, Jay, Zas (last 3 roster bubble overload)

Potential Prospect Adds (6): Henderson, Patrick, Smith,  Misi, Yoho, Crow, and White

Likely batters kept (15): Contreras, Quero, Haase, Black, Dunn, Hoskins, Ortiz, Turang, Chourio, Sal, Mitchell, Perk, Yeli, Collins, Mone

Others (3): Bauers (non-tender iffy), Capra, Hicklen

Prospects (1): EMJ

I am sure there are a couple more potential 40 man prospect adds that could be added. However to me it looks like 35 guaranteed roster spots with 7-14 other players who are worthy and that;s not before we add a couple players in the offseason.

I'd add Bukauskas, Paredes, and Wilson to others and Devin seems almost like a sure thing to be traded.

[jay87shot]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I'd add Bukauskas, Paredes, and Wilson to others and Devin seems almost like a sure thing to be traded.

I would really like to keep Bauk and Paredes. I feel like those are guys like Koenig that we hit on but injuries have hurt them. They would both be solid guys to go back and forth between Milwaukee and Nashville (if they have options left. However I agree they would be on the roster bubble if there are no trades. I added Devin and Wilson because I was just thinking for the initial 40 man is due in the offseason. I agree though Devin and probably Wilson are likely to be traded.

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

We can disagree if it's Ortiz or Turang at short, and whether or not Hoskins will be worth it, who they can sign as a backup to Contreras, and whether or not to trade an OFer, but the REAL conundrum is third base.

If they did nothing, they'd have Monasterio, Collins, Capra, Dunn, Miller, (Black), and perhaps Wilken and Boeve.

Probably, but the versatility allows us to go after a 3B or a 2B. It's not easy to find impact players there, but there's one team that has a lot at the two positions...the Twins.

9 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

I dislike nearly all of these options. I suppose I'd prefer to have some kind of platoon with Collins/Capra/Dunn, more than splashing cash on Bregman or Kim. I don't know that I'd like any of the other options, unless Torres can play 3rd. IF Torres can play 3rd, I'd be okay with signing him as a regular IFer, but only on a one-year deal. I know a couple of you mentioned Suarez, but one, I think the option will be picked up, and two, he scares the bajeezus out of me. Dude is capable of hitting 35 bombs, or batting .135

I could live with Torres, but defense is so important on this team...and Torres is not a good defender. 

The D-backs will definitely pick up Suarez, it's a 13M-dollar decision for them, but they could turn around and trade him. They've got a really good SS right now, one of the top prospects in the game coming up who's already got MLB time in Lawlar. Or maybe they'd trade Perdomo? 

10 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

I liked the Frelick for Miranda offer someone threw out there a while ago, and there are other post-hype guys, like Brett Baty, or no-hype blossoms, like Josh Smith that could be options. But most of those guys seem pretty risky, too.

I can't help but think they're not going to actively address third base, choosing instead to platoon utility guys there. This would be disappointing, but it seems like there is nothing but disappointing options. 

Yeah, I think ultimately they'll try and piece it together. A guy like Ahmed Rosario could be added.

The team that matches up REALLY well...almost too well as their players are so talented would be the Twins.

Correa is at SS, NTC and no reason to trade him. Royce Lewis is a potential Super Star. Brooks Lee is also a potential star. They have Jose Miranda and Julien playing well right now. 

But I'd think Lewis and Lee would be REAL hard to pry from them. Quero would have to be on the board. Maybe Peralta or...I don't even know who. I wouldn't trade either if I was the Mets. They're good now and those two have the potential to be cornerstones. I'd play Lewis at 3B, Lee at 2nd or one in the OF. You make room for athletes who can hit. 

 

10 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

edit:  After some thought, I think I'd want them to sign Gleyber Torres on a pillow contract to play third base.

Yeah...but he's so bad defensively...

[Team Canada]

22 hours ago, jay87shot said:

Quero is going to need some time. 1/3?

Quero is coming back from shoulder injury, what he needs is time in AAA to rehab.

[jay87shot]

On 9/16/2024 at 8:15 PM, BrewerFan said:

The team that matches up REALLY well...almost too well as their players are so talented would be the Twins.

Correa is at SS, NTC and no reason to trade him. Royce Lewis is a potential Super Star. Brooks Lee is also a potential star. They have Jose Miranda and Julien playing well right now. 

But I'd think Lewis and Lee would be REAL hard to pry from them. Quero would have to be on the board. Maybe Peralta or...I don't even know who. I wouldn't trade either if I was the Mets. They're good now and those two have the potential to be cornerstones. I'd play Lewis at 3B, Lee at 2nd or one in the OF. You make room for athletes who can hit. 

I would love Brooks Lee, I think he is a perfect fit for the infield. I would be ok with trading Quero if that is what it took. I would in turn want a solid catching prospect back in a Devin trade. I do think that we could build a better trade maybe like Sal and Black for Brooks Lee and a mid level prospect like Yesser Mercedes. 

My guess is however that the Twins would move Miranda to 1st and keep an IF of Miranda, Lee, Lewis, Correa and then keep Julien around as a 1B/2B/DH especially with how often Lewis gets hurt. Making a trade much tougher.

[Playing Catch]

The Brewers and Twins have long matched up perfectly for trades. It never happens.

[jay87shot]

I think the Rangers make the most sense for a Devin Williams trade, their bullpen isn't good and 3 of their best relievers are free agents. The Rangers system has strong depth and 3rd base options we could get. I wouldn't mind Josh Smith like others have mentioned but really like Justin Foscue from the bat perspective. He seems like a slower Tyler Black with better hands to be a 1st baseman. 

My deal would be Devin and Peguero/Hoby/Bryce Wilson for Foscue, Emilliano Teodo, and Alejandro Osuna. Between Black and Foscue with the extra ancillary pieces Dunn, Mone etc. I would hope one could work at 3rd or maybe 2B if your prefer Brice to SS and keep Ortiz at 3B. 

Someone brought up Brett Baty, maybe Ronny Mauricio would be a better value option? He has a great arm to move to 3B and his skill set would fit into our team well. Maybe Black for Mauricio and a 2nd piece if Stearns still has thinks fondly of Black.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Playing Catch said:

The Brewers and Twins have long matched up perfectly for trades. It never happens.

Yeah, well...probably because we're both looking for the same things. Cheap, controllable players and the ones we like that they want, we don't want to part with. They aren't the type of organization that normally wants to trade for a Hader, Burnes, Williams.

If I was the Twins, I don't know that I'd do anything. Quero, as I suggested and @jay87shotsaid he'd give up for Lee makes sense, but a catcher with his defense who can hit is so valuable, so makes sense WE wouldn't want to give him up. And a 3B/SS...well, they're not easy to find either. 

As for needing OFers, they've got two stud OFers who should be ready by early next year and next Sept and they've got pretty good pitching. 

I thought the Brewers window was really opening next year...and I think the same may be true of the Twins. They look like they're set up to be really good the next 3-4 years.

I'm just grateful to have such a well run organization that keeps churning out elite level prospects...but finding a 3B/2B(I really don't think it makes sense to limit it to one over the other as I really think Turang and Ortiz would both be exceptional defensive SS's) is gonna be tough.

Would Ahmed Rosario really be the worst option? Just someone who is cheap, can play solid defense, put the ball in play, but who isn't an elite player?

[wiguy94]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, well...probably because we're both looking for the same things. Cheap, controllable players and the ones we like that they want, we don't want to part with. They aren't the type of organization that normally wants to trade for a Hader, Burnes, Williams.

If I was the Twins, I don't know that I'd do anything. Quero, as I suggested and @jay87shotsaid he'd give up for Lee makes sense, but a catcher with his defense who can hit is so valuable, so makes sense WE wouldn't want to give him up. And a 3B/SS...well, they're not easy to find either. 

As for needing OFers, they've got two stud OFers who should be ready by early next year and next Sept and they've got pretty good pitching. 

I thought the Brewers window was really opening next year...and I think the same may be true of the Twins. They look like they're set up to be really good the next 3-4 years.

I'm just grateful to have such a well run organization that keeps churning out elite level prospects...but finding a 3B/2B(I really don't think it makes sense to limit it to one over the other as I really think Turang and Ortiz would both be exceptional defensive SS's) is gonna be tough.

Would Ahmed Rosario really be the worst option? Just someone who is cheap, can play solid defense, put the ball in play, but who isn't an elite player?

Solid defense and Amed Rosario don’t belong even close to the same sentence.

[jay87shot]

53 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Solid defense and Amed Rosario don’t belong even close to the same sentence.

-12 defensive runs saved by baseball refence standards and that is only starting 62 games in the field. Add in 9 walks in 339 plate appearences and I will pass. I would much rather have Mone, Collins, Dunn, or even Owen Miller as a utility player.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Solid defense and Amed Rosario don’t belong even close to the same sentence.

Well, not at SS or 3B, but he's alright at 2B.

 

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Well, not at SS or 3B, but he's alright at 2B.

It's a 369 inning sample. Way too small to read into. His -39 DRS and -59 OAA in 6000+ innings at SS are far more evidence to his defensive quality than 369 innings at 2B.