Mets (Quintana) vs Brewers (Myers): 10/3/24, 6:08pm

[SomewhereInTime]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Have seen this play out too many times before for me personally to just chalk it up as us being a victim of random variation. 

If you walk by a roulette wheel that comes up black 2 out of the last 9 times do you bet all your money on red?

[adambr2]

55 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

One of the reasons I hate the new format. Smaller markets now have a "chance" except no, they don't. They have an artificial chance like an 8 seed in the NBA. 

It was better before. If you had a good season and broke through, winning a 5 game series put you in the NLCS.  This team would have had to go through 3 huge market juggernauts just to play in a WS.  

It has torpedoed my interest in the sport. One of the reasons I'm not too upset is that I never got really invested this year. After 2019 I lost a lot of passion for this team and league. It just doesn't feel like you have a real chance. 

 

The worst part and silliest part about it is your entire 162 game season coming down to a random best 2 of 3 playoff series. The regular season used to be pretty sacred in baseball, winning your division was a ticket straight to the ALCS or NLCS. Then playoffs expanded and when it was 4 it was okay but now you can win your division and not even make the NLDS and it's freaking ridiculous. 

It really contributes to disinterest in the regular season and has caused me to become more of a box score follower than a regular game watcher because the whole 6 months is pretty meaningless. In the end I know the Brewers are probably going to make the playoffs, probably not going to be a top seed, probably going to have to win a very short series to advance, and spoiler alert, they probably won't.

[adambr2]

3 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

If you walk by a roulette wheel that comes up black 2 out of the last 9 times do you bet all your money on red?

No you obviously split the 0 and 00 and go for the big payout. 

[SomewhereInTime]

4 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

The worst part and silliest part about it is your entire 162 game season coming down to a random best 2 of 3 playoff series. The regular season used to be pretty sacred in baseball, winning your division was a ticket straight to the ALCS or NLCS. Then playoffs expanded and when it was 4 it was okay but now you can win your division and not even make the NLDS and it's freaking ridiculous. 

It really contributes to disinterest in the regular season and has caused me to become more of a box score follower than a regular game watcher because the whole 6 months is pretty meaningless. In the end I know the Brewers are probably going to make the playoffs, probably not going to be a top seed, probably going to have to win a very short series to advance, and spoiler alert, they probably won't.

Agree completely.  You know today and yesterday I was pretty nerved up about the game.  Really made sure to watch every pitch.  Makes you realize it's not ever like that in the regular season.  It's never like the end of the year in '08 or '18.  It seems unlikely that a 90+ win season wouldn't make it in this system and if you are in a tight race for the 6th spot, your team probably isn't all that good and you still have the stupid three game series looming.

[Pugger]

2 hours ago, HarryDoyle said:

OK, I can say it now.

Are you catching on as to why the 1982 team is so revered and celebrated? It's because that team is the closest we'll ever come to a championship.

I know what you are trying to say but it is damn sad we are still waxing poetic over a team that LOST the World Series 42 years ago.  I am now 70 years old and my fear is I may never see this team win a championship in my lifetime.  I hope they prove me wrong.

[treego14]

The Brewers were great in the real season!

The post season is just a lottery crap shoot in these very short series.  Mets got lucky and the Brewers didn't.

Murphy and the Brew Crew are a terrific team in 2024 -- nothing that happened tonight changes that!

Thanks for the very good baseball this year, Milwaukee Brewers!  You were a real treat!  Onward and Upward.!  God's best to you and your families!

[Pugger]

2 hours ago, BCF said:

This loss was not on Murphy lol he got through 8 innings with his pitching staff with 0 runs allowed 

He PH for Hoskins and Bauers HR’ed 

I get everyone bemoaning Williams choke job but the other pitchers tonite were stellar.  Our problem was the bats.  Clutch hitting disappeared once we clinched the division.

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, Sixtolezcano said:

1982 is all Brewer fans will ever have to celebrate. Too bad it was 42 years ago.

THEE MOST predictable thing...is you predicting year in and year out, month in and month in the record thread, out how terrible the Brewers are going to be, and then you going away when they win 90+ games only to pop up the last game of the season and do your little schtick. 

 

[Pugger]

2 hours ago, adambr2 said:

If it weren't for the Bucks winning it all in 2021 I'd have to give some serious consideration to just walking away from Wisconsin professional sports in the interest of my own mental health. Seriously, these last 15 years have been brutal. Every team is always seemingly on the cusp of something big and no matter what they find some way to let it all come spectacularly burning to the ground. 

You must not have been around during the 70s and 80s living in Green Bay and watching truly dreadful football all those years.

[adambr2]

5 minutes ago, Pugger said:

You must not have been around during the 70s and 80s living in Green Bay and watching truly dreadful football all those years.

Oh I was around for about 15 years worth of awful Brewer teams from the early 90s until the mid 2000s. 

Not fun, but not emotionally taxing at all. 

This is an entirely different thing. 

It isn't about the losing. It's about being taken to the edge of glory by numerous Wisconsin sports teams year after year only for them to spectacularly rip your heart out in the end. 

[Pugger]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

The worst part and silliest part about it is your entire 162 game season coming down to a random best 2 of 3 playoff series. The regular season used to be pretty sacred in baseball, winning your division was a ticket straight to the ALCS or NLCS. Then playoffs expanded and when it was 4 it was okay but now you can win your division and not even make the NLDS and it's freaking ridiculous. 

It really contributes to disinterest in the regular season and has caused me to become more of a box score follower than a regular game watcher because the whole 6 months is pretty meaningless. In the end I know the Brewers are probably going to make the playoffs, probably not going to be a top seed, probably going to have to win a very short series to advance, and spoiler alert, they probably won't.

I'm glad we have a 162 game season.  Knowing there will be a game almost every day is great.  I'd rather watch The Crew than most of the garbage you find on TV otherwise.

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Health is crucial for the mid-to-small market teams also. If Yelich is around all year, if Woodruff & Gasser are available for a full season, maybe WE'RE the ones waiting for the winner of the WC series.

Uribe. Uribe is one of the guys who goes overlooked.

Yeah, he's erratic, but I think you need guys like him and Megill. Overpowering, fiery relievers who can beat you with a FB that misses it's spot. This loss was brutal, but I thought the Brewers window was opening next year, not this year.

Woodruff is not Nelson. Nelson had a completely torn rotator cuff and needed reconstructive surgery. 
Yelich said his back felt better day after the surgery. 

Hall, Ashby, Misiorowski, Yoho...Mears pitching in the Brewers system for a full year should help him. 

 Turang and our young Superstar Chourio were good. 

 

I have little doubt we'll be back next year....but this was a kick in the nuts either way. 

[adambr2]

As tough as this is, one good thing to remember to help put things in perspective: none of us are Puff Daddy.

[SeaBass]

If you're still feeling sore from this heartbreaking loss kicking you in the groin, here's another gut punch for good measure.

Looks like Devin was (Maybe? Probably?) tipping his pitches.

 

[adambr2]

1 hour ago, BrewerFan said:

Uribe. Uribe is one of the guys who goes overlooked.

Yeah, he's erratic, but I think you need guys like him and Megill. Overpowering, fiery relievers who can beat you with a FB that misses it's spot. This loss was brutal, but I thought the Brewers window was opening next year, not this year.

Woodruff is not Nelson. Nelson had a completely torn rotator cuff and needed reconstructive surgery. 
Yelich said his back felt better day after the surgery. 

Hall, Ashby, Misiorowski, Yoho...Mears pitching in the Brewers system for a full year should help him. 

 Turang and our young Superstar Chourio were good. 

 

I have little doubt we'll be back next year....but this was a kick in the nuts either way. 

I mean yeah, I'm sure we'll be "back" but I don't even know what that really means anymore. Back to what? Back to having this same conversation after yet another disappointing WC round exit? That seems like the most likely outcome. 

The club definitely exceeded expectations this year, but progression is not always linear. Adames will be tough to replace, Devin may not be back and there will be turnover elsewhere. Some good, some bad. It will be nice to have Yelich back. I have hopes for Woodruff but let's be honest, he's far more of a wild card than anyone we can really count on for big things in 2025. 

There's some nice pitching on the way ,,,not much for bats. The Cubs will likely be better. The Dodgers, as always, still have a very strong farm with more reinforcements on the way. Do I think we will be a playoff team? Yes, I do, but being a top 2 team and avoiding the randomness of the WC round is always going to be a really tall order for this team. 

Call it self-preservation or whatever, but I can't have high expectations for this team beyond a great regular season. At some point, we need to see it. 

It's a fun team, and they accomplished a lot this year, but like most Wisconsin sports teams, there's just too much of a tendency for postseason disappointment to get too emotionally involved. 

[wiguy94]

42 minutes ago, SeaBass said:

If you're still feeling sore from this heartbreaking loss kicking you in the groin, here's another gut punch for good measure.

Looks like Devin was (Maybe? Probably?) tipping his pitches.

 

I think I agree with one of the quotes that this is really nothing. Didn’t seem like the Mets knew what was coming.

 

[BrewerFan]

9 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I mean yeah, I'm sure we'll be "back" but I don't even know what that really means anymore. Back to what? Back to having this same conversation after yet another disappointing WC round exit? That seems like the most likely outcome. 

The club definitely exceeded expectations this year, but progression is not always linear. Adames will be tough to replace, Devin may not be back and there will be turnover elsewhere. Some good, some bad. It will be nice to have Yelich back. I have hopes for Woodruff but let's be honest, he's far more of a wild card than anyone we can really count on for big things in 2025. 

There's some nice pitching on the way ,,,not much for bats. The Cubs will likely be better. The Dodgers, as always, still have a very strong farm with more reinforcements on the way. Do I think we will be a playoff team? Yes, I do, but being a top 2 team and avoiding the randomness of the WC round is always going to be a really tall order for this team. 

Call it self-preservation or whatever, but I can't have high expectations for this team beyond a great regular season. At some point, we need to see it. 

It's a fun team, and they accomplished a lot this year, but like most Wisconsin sports teams, there's just too much of a tendency for postseason disappointment to get too emotionally involved. 

What's it mean? It means...this year was supposed to be a down year. Next year was supposed to be the START of a window where we should have more star caliber players. 

Not much for Bats? I don't know...I disagree.

Jefferson Quero, he was a top ~20 prospect. 
Cooper Pratt, Jesus Made, Bitonti, Wilken...not guys I'd count on for next year, but guys who are on their way. 

But for the near future, I think a full year of Chourio(his progression has been pretty linear), Turang, Ortiz, Frelick, Mitchell, Black, Quero could make an impact at some point next year. 

Wilken, Boeve, they could also easily make an impact next year. Or not, I don't know, but it's the young core and then the pitching staff that gives me confidence.

 

 

But if you really want to feel like ****, you can. It sucked. I thought this team was very similar to the 2010 Packers(I guess maybe having that MVP like Yelich is the big difference). So...it's gut wrenching. But I'm pretty confident that we're going to have an overpowering pen next year, good starters. I'm hoping for 25 starts and 140 innings from Woody and hoping he can be the pitcher he was. I don't think it's unreasonable given his past, but even if he's not, I think we'll round out the rotation around Peralta, Civale, Myers, Ashby, Hall. The Back of the pen with Mears, not because of his outing tonight, but that showed what he's capable of, but just being in the pen for a year. But Mears, Hudson when he gets his velo back, Megill, Uribe, Herberg, Koenig, Yoho, Misiorowski I expect to start in AAA, be someone who gets a couple breaks, but can be an impact pitcher next year, and then if it's Williams or not, I don't know.

 

Another kick to the groin is this video where Jomboy talks about him tipping pitches and how the Mets knew what was coming. But mostly, I just have faith in these young dudes. They were unfazed. Chourio was awesome, Turang was great. 

I know people don't want to hear this right now, but 
Turang/Chourio/Yelich/Contreras/Mitchell/Hoskins/Frelick/Ortiz/ 2B or 3B

[SeaBass]

15 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I think I agree with one of the quotes that this is really nothing. Didn’t seem like the Mets knew what was coming.

 

Definitely could be nothing. Usually pitchers will confirm if they feel they were tipping so we'll see if Devin says anything in the next few days. He may not because I'm sure some people would just call him out for making excuses. Could be something we don't hear about for a year or two or just never.

FWIW Trevor Plouffe says it's there but very slight. Might not be obvious enough for batters to pick up.

 

[BrewerFan]

26 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I think I agree with one of the quotes that this is really nothing. Didn’t seem like the Mets knew what was coming.

 

This was what I was coming here to post. 

 

It seems unlikely, but...who knows. I do believe Devin Williams has tremendous value in a trade. I also believe that a pitcher who relies on hitters chasing as much as Williams...is more likely to get hit in bigger spots. When hitters are really zeroed in...like the playoffs. 

Trade Williams, he's going to be a FA and you're not going to offer him ~20M on a QO anyway as you won't want him to take it. So either to start the year or at the deadline(which might be worse because now you're back in Hader territory). But we've assembled a staff that should be able to overcome his loss in the regular season(and I actually think be better) and he's been shite in the post-season anyway. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just to feel a little better

[wiguy94]

I do feel bad for Devin in the sense that he’s getting a brunt of the blame from the fanbase for this series loss. It’s understandable but at the same time, are we even in this position today if Payamps remembered to cover 1B, if Hoskins, Adames, Contreras, Ortiz had provided even a bit of offense, if the Brewers hadn’t waited until game 3 of the series to steal bases, if the Brewers as a team didn’t totally forget how to take a walk?

[adambr2]

I'm probably more mad at Rhys than anybody, just because he's the guy we went out and gave the big contract to (relative to what we usually give out), he didn't produce all year, so the one hope was that maybe, as the veteran player, just maybe he'd show up in the playoffs, against his former division rival ...only for him to fall flat on his face again. 

Too bad because he seems to be well-liked in the clubhouse. But yeah, he totally sucked, again. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

6 hours ago, Pugger said:

I get everyone bemoaning Williams choke job but the other pitchers tonite were stellar.  Our problem was the bats.  Clutch hitting disappeared once we clinched the division.

It's on Williams. When you make your living as "one of the best" closers, come into the biggest game of the year and immediately put guys on then give up the game losing bomb, the loss is on you. 

This is a rare instance where it is very easy to pin this on one guy. 

 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

3 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I do feel bad for Devin in the sense that he’s getting a brunt of the blame from the fanbase for this series loss. It’s understandable but at the same time, are we even in this position today if Payamps remembered to cover 1B, if Hoskins, Adames, Contreras, Ortiz had provided even a bit of offense, if the Brewers hadn’t waited until game 3 of the series to steal bases, if the Brewers as a team didn’t totally forget how to take a walk?

All that stuff is just much more abstract than Williams simply getting 3 guys out. 

I'm pretty surprised at how soft people are being with Williams. 

Hell, he could have given up a run or even 2, and he didn't even do that. 

 

 

[SeaBass]

5 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

All that stuff is just much more abstract than Williams simply getting 3 guys out. 

I'm pretty surprised at how soft people are being with Williams. 

Hell, he could have given up a run or even 2, and he didn't even do that. 

 

 

In baseball, teams score runs by hitting balls that pitchers pitch to them.

Weird.