Gleyber Torres expected contract

[Scooterfletcher]

What contract do we think he will sign and assuming ma has more money he’s willing to spend than thought, how much would you pay him to take over second?

[wntrtxn21]

44 minutes ago, Scooterfletcher said:

What contract do we think he will sign and assuming ma has more money he’s willing to spend than thought, how much would you pay him to take over second?

I wouldn't even offer him a contract. His market value I assume would be somewhere between $7.5 - $9M. Way too much for him. He's one of the worst fielding 2B in the majors. Every defensive metric is negative for him at 2B and SS. With the Brwers' weak starting staff, they need good up-the-middle defense.

[sveumrules]

MLBTR predicted 2/36. Median at FanGraphs was 3/54. Ben Clemens predicted 5/90 which seems pretty nuts but some interesting notes from his profile in the FG Top 50 FAs article…

“Oh yeah, and he hasn’t turned 28 yet...I’m a lot less worried about one of the youngest free agents on the market – the youngest other than Soto, in fact”

”Over the All-Star break, he shored up his swing at a Tampa hitting facility that he co-owns; Statcast’s bat tracking data tells us he shortened his swing slightly, added a bit of bat speed and tapped into his fast swing more frequently, improving his quality of contact. He hit .292/.361/.419 (124 wRC+) in the second half while cutting his strikeout rate from 22.6% to 17.5%, and thrived upon being restored to the leadoff role; from August 16 onward, he hit .313/.386/.454. His 142 wRC+ in that span surpassed even teammate Juan Soto, and he carried that momentum into October.”

As far as the Brewers are concerned, I would guess they won’t have much interest even if Gleyber comes in on the lower end of the predicted contracts.

Among 26 second basemen with at least 1,000 innings the last two years Gleyber comes in at -15 DRS | 24th and -8 FRV | 23rd.

[wntrtxn21]

26 minutes ago, sveumrules said:

MLBTR predicted 2/36. Median at FanGraphs was 3/54. Ben Clemens predicted 5/90 which seems pretty nuts but some interesting notes from his profile in the FG Top 50 FAs article…

“Oh yeah, and he hasn’t turned 28 yet...I’m a lot less worried about one of the youngest free agents on the market – the youngest other than Soto, in fact”

”Over the All-Star break, he shored up his swing at a Tampa hitting facility that he co-owns; Statcast’s bat tracking data tells us he shortened his swing slightly, added a bit of bat speed and tapped into his fast swing more frequently, improving his quality of contact. He hit .292/.361/.419 (124 wRC+) in the second half while cutting his strikeout rate from 22.6% to 17.5%, and thrived upon being restored to the leadoff role; from August 16 onward, he hit .313/.386/.454. His 142 wRC+ in that span surpassed even teammate Juan Soto, and he carried that momentum into October.”

As far as the Brewers are concerned, I would guess they won’t have much interest even if Gleyber comes in on the lower end of the predicted contracts.

Among 26 second basemen with at least 1,000 innings the last two years Gleyber comes in at -15 DRS | 24th and -8 FRV | 23rd.

Oh man, I wasn't even close! $18M per seems crazy, but if somebody is willing to pay it, it won't be the Brewers. 

[markedman5]

I’m not moving the platinum glove winning 2nd baseman to a different position…….

look for a SS or a 3rd baseman…….Ortiz is probably a better SS than Turang anyway.

[Scooterfletcher]

2 hours ago, markedman5 said:

I’m not moving the platinum glove winning 2nd baseman to a different position…….

look for a SS or a 3rd baseman…….Ortiz is probably a better SS than Turang anyway.

Mombasa makes the most sense and I think we’ve shown interest already.

[markedman5]

13 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Mombasa makes the most sense and I think we’ve shown interest already.

Sorry…….who is Mombasa?

[Frisbee Slider]

7 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Sorry…….who is Mombasa?

A town in Kenya?

[Scooterfletcher]

Haha!  Moncada I meant but spell check failed me miserably and I failed to catch it.  My bad on that one. 

[CheezWizHed]

On 11/16/2024 at 7:52 PM, markedman5 said:

I’m not moving the platinum glove winning 2nd baseman to a different position…….

look for a SS or a 3rd baseman…….Ortiz is probably a better SS than Turang anyway.

I've heard this a few times and frankly I don't understand it.  Why wouldn't we want our best infielder to play at the position where he can defensively bring the most value (SS)? Do we think he will suddenly turn into a pumpkin?  Do we feel the need to continually bring in post-season awards (GGs, PGs) to ease the pain of not having a WS? 

Turang to SS really needs to be a consideration this offseason, IMO

[BrewerFan]

2 hours ago, CheezWizHed said:

I've heard this a few times and frankly I don't understand it.  Why wouldn't we want our best infielder to play at the position where he can defensively bring the most value (SS)? Do we think he will suddenly turn into a pumpkin?  Do we feel the need to continually bring in post-season awards (GGs, PGs) to ease the pain of not having a WS? 

Turang to SS really needs to be a consideration this offseason, IMO

I've been saying the same thing.

The argument that's been used is that it's because Ortiz has the stronger arm using Baseball Savant...but Baseball Savant will also show you that Torres has a cannon playing a much stronger arm at SS than at 2B. Similar to Turang at 2B actually. 

So that's just the types of throws, even the max throws they're asked to make. Turang doesn't get a crow hop and get to really let it rip. He's gotta get up falling away in many cases and just try and get it over there. 

I think Ortiz would be fine at SS and it's probably not a real significant difference...so that's all the more reason we should be open to a 2B, 3B whichever we can find that helps the team more. 

 

[umphrey]

Being a small market team, the Brewers have to take advantage of the fact that they have 2 players that can play any infield position, and therefore can acquire 3B or SS or 2B. Locking Turang at 2B would feel like playing for individual awards over team awards I think. 

[Playing Catch]

I don't feel strongly about the who-plays-where debate, but one reason some would like Turang to stay put is the, "if it ain't broke," idea.

I also wonder that having a superior defender at 2nd isn't more valuable than we realize. There are more hitter-platoon advantage ABs for lefty hitters, and often times, the 2nd baseman needs to cover a larger space than short because the first baseman is holding the runner.

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, Playing Catch said:

I don't feel strongly about the who-plays-where debate, but one reason some would like Turang to stay put is the, "if it ain't broke," idea.

I also wonder that having a superior defender at 2nd isn't more valuable than we realize. There are more hitter-platoon advantage ABs for lefty hitters, and often times, the 2nd baseman needs to cover a larger space than short because the first baseman is holding the runner.

I think 2B is pretty appropriately valued. A 2B has won the platinum glove each of the last two years. When the shift went, the value defensively of 2B went way up. Before that, you could throw Travis Shaw out there and Tyler Black likely would have been more than capable of playing 2B. 

I don't feel that strongly either. I think Ortiz is a really good defender and since he's played more SS, if they want to just move him over because they found a 3B, cool.

It's just the argument that you need a 3B as though it's the only solution to the IF problem. 

I still think Jose Iglesias is the best fit. I think you'd upgrade your defense and you would have another solid hitter. He's not a .330 hitter, but lets say he's .290/.335/.375...that's good enough for me. 

I expect Hoskins, Yelich, Contreras, Chourio to all carry the load and I HOPE that Mitchell can continue to develop, Ortiz and Turang can improve upon their years offensively. 

I think the only downside there is because he got so hot and played so well for the Mets, a team that can spend so freely, they'll give him 2/24 or something and...we just can't match that. In which case, maybe there's a deal to be made there for another IF. they have a lot of them who've hit AAA or have some MLB experience and are among their top prospects. 

 

Just defensively though, Ortiz/.Turang/Iglesias and then because it's my post and I can put whoever I want out there, Ernesto Martinez as the defensive substitution. Or even just Bauers. He's not been non-tendered, has he?