Grade the Offseason

[yfinn6]

24 minutes ago, bigred said:

It wasn't my intention. It's just that some people could take it the same way I did. Lol no worries. I know most of opinions aren't very well received, so I'm sort of used to reacting that way on here. 🤣

You think you're being responded to the way you are because of your opinions, which isn't true. Posters respond to you because of the nonsense I bolded. 

Clancy has like a decade of posting about wanting Braun back at 3B. He never said, "I know honest opinions aren't welcomed around here" or, "no one here can actually handle the truth". 

Your truth is also called your opinion, we all have them. Share it as much as you want. Knock it off with the combative victim complex. 

As to the offseason, who the hell knows. They might still make a move. Better to wait a few months into the season and see where the team stands and where the division stands before judging the non-moves. Bregman to the Red Sox for 3 years at $120 million seems nuts to me. 

After the 90s and early 2000s watching this team, night after night, I'll take another bite at the apple. The TRUTH is that the Brewers were garbage for most of my life, and I am damn happy they're competitive year after year and finding creative ways to do it. I've long since understood that signings like Bregman aren't going to happen, and thankfully I'm happy for that. I love Yeli but his deal was the absolute most no-brainer in history, and within two years we were wondering how to dump him. It happens. Why over commit to a question mark. 

[Redd Vencher]

Thea only real complaint I have about the offseason is the Brewers not doing the Ha-Seong Kim deal he signed with the Rays. Looking at the WAR out from 2024 v. the WAR in for 2025 without counting Woodruff back and a full season of Civale, it's 6-7 out and 4 in looking at the major pieces and your WAR of choice. It's not going to take huge improvement or health to make up that gap. I would still project the Brewers as a 90 win team like they've averaged per 162 since 2017. If Chourio is the 142 wRC+ hitter he was from June 1st on for the entire season, I could see a 95+ win season.

[bigred]

5 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

Willy Adames was worth 3.1 WAR last year. Do I think Dunn/Durbin will combine for 3.1 WAR? Probably not. But I think it's possible they can combine for 2 WAR, and then internal development from guys like Chourio, Mitchell, or Frelick can help offset that as well. As good as Adames was offensively I think it's glossed over how bad he was defensively. Now none of this is a sure thing. But Dunn/Durbin is the only starting spot that I think isn't filled by a capable big league player, so I'm not going to grade this offseason as poor. As stated by another poster previously as well this time last year nobody was talking about Jared Koenig or Tobias Myers. 

One thing that can't be replaced, is his presence in the clubhouse. Some people put too much stock into analytics.

[bigred]

4 hours ago, yfinn6 said:

You think you're being responded to the way you are because of your opinions, which isn't true. Posters respond to you because of the nonsense I bolded. 

Clancy has like a decade of posting about wanting Braun back at 3B. He never said, "I know honest opinions aren't welcomed around here" or, "no one here can actually handle the truth". 

Your truth is also called your opinion, we all have them. Share it as much as you want. Knock it off with the combative victim complex. 

As to the offseason, who the hell knows. They might still make a move. Better to wait a few months into the season and see where the team stands and where the division stands before judging the non-moves. Bregman to the Red Sox for 3 years at $120 million seems nuts to me. 

After the 90s and early 2000s watching this team, night after night, I'll take another bite at the apple. The TRUTH is that the Brewers were garbage for most of my life, and I am damn happy they're competitive year after year and finding creative ways to do it. I've long since understood that signings like Bregman aren't going to happen, and thankfully I'm happy for that. I love Yeli but his deal was the absolute most no-brainer in history, and within two years we were wondering how to dump him. It happens. Why over commit to a question mark. 

I've literally said the same thing about my own comments before. It's the large # of others on here who apparently think whatever they say, is the LAW, is always right, and is to NEVER be challenged. 

[bigred]

4 hours ago, yfinn6 said:

You think you're being responded to the way you are because of your opinions, which isn't true. Posters respond to you because of the nonsense I bolded. 

Clancy has like a decade of posting about wanting Braun back at 3B. He never said, "I know honest opinions aren't welcomed around here" or, "no one here can actually handle the truth". 

Your truth is also called your opinion, we all have them. Share it as much as you want. Knock it off with the combative victim complex. 

As to the offseason, who the hell knows. They might still make a move. Better to wait a few months into the season and see where the team stands and where the division stands before judging the non-moves. Bregman to the Red Sox for 3 years at $120 million seems nuts to me. 

After the 90s and early 2000s watching this team, night after night, I'll take another bite at the apple. The TRUTH is that the Brewers were garbage for most of my life, and I am damn happy they're competitive year after year and finding creative ways to do it. I've long since understood that signings like Bregman aren't going to happen, and thankfully I'm happy for that. I love Yeli but his deal was the absolute most no-brainer in history, and within two years we were wondering how to dump him. It happens. Why over commit to a question mark. 

I want more fir my home state team. Being above average and simply competing, and just making the playoffs isn't good enough for me anymore. So go ahead and sue me for expecting more now. 

[Redd Vencher]

15 minutes ago, bigred said:

One thing that can't be replaced, is his presence in the clubhouse. Some people put too much stock into analytics.

Pretty funny to spend the whole thread talking about how the Brewers didn't/can't replace the Adames' numbers, and when it's pointed out it's not unteasonable they can it's run away from the numbers to a less quantifiable aspect. It's this plus your personal belief that you're some bold truth teller and behave like a petulant child when there's disagreement with it that gets you all the backlash. In your own words, you think your opinion "...is the Law, is always right, and is to NEVER be challenged." 

[Lathund]

7 hours ago, bigred said:

Question. So you think someone who doesn't deny hard truth about their team, or calls out their team when they feel it's warrated is being a "worse" fan? Really? I don't agree with that part at all. Just because some fans call out their favorite teams, doesn't mean they don't want them to be a great as all the "better" fans do. Lol c'mon now. That's being a little passive aggressive there,  don't you think? 

How did you get any of that from the post you quoted? They didn't even hint at calling anyone a worse fan, or were passive aggressive, or anything of the kind. I can only hope you quoted the wrong post

[MVP2110]

4 hours ago, bigred said:

One thing that can't be replaced, is his presence in the clubhouse. Some people put too much stock into analytics.

I cant buy the idea that the Brewers should have paid Adames that much money for "his presence in the clubhouse". I love Willy and everything he did for the Brewers but imo it was the right move to let him walk to SF

[Frisbee Slider]

6 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

Thea only real complaint I have about the offseason is the Brewers not doing the Ha-Seong Kim deal he signed with the Rays

Fair. 

At the same time, is it possible Kim prefers spending more time In Florida than Wisconsin? I love Milwaukee but can understand if some elite athletes do not.

[Playing Catch]

18 hours ago, wallus said:

I think they should have been more aggressive turning one of the outfielders (Frelick or Black) into someone that could play SS or 3B

There's still PLENTY of time to turn Frelick into a third baseman! In fact, I hope he starts there, with Perkins in CF!

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

6 hours ago, bigred said:

I've literally said the same thing about my own comments before. It's the large # of others on here who apparently think whatever they say, is the LAW, is always right, and is to NEVER be challenged. 

Literally NO ONE has acted in that manner.  

[Playing Catch]

This is a fun fan site, so I appreciate the exercise (earlier I graded the offseason as a D+), but there's a lot that we don't know. Sometimes it's the moves they didn't make, that work out for the best. Maybe every trade deal involved Jesus Made. Maybe FAs don't like Milwaukee, and will never play here. It's possible that Arnold deserves credit for being patient and disciplined instead of making moves for moves sake.

I'm with all the others that question not having a backup plan for Dunn. I like Durbin on the roster, but I would really like a left-handed hitter to pair with him (and Ortiz). I think the infield could be a real strength if they platoon a lot of ABs throughout a game. I fear that there are no guys to plug holes if craters develop in the lineup.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

13 hours ago, brewers888 said:

How about your holier than though I am a better fan than you because I see the sunshine in everything this team does. He has every right to be disappointed in the offseason and more than reasonable to want more than an early playoff exit every season. Its quite something how the same guys do nothing but complain about fans that don't share the same blind optimism that many do.

Can we stop telling fans how to think about the Brewers. Just as it is the right of you and others to trust everything the team does even when they've done nothing it is our right to question an offseason like we have just had. Really its time to get off the soapbox and just accept that others think differently than you and stop the criticizing of such opinions.

As usual, you are completely failing to see any of the context. Heck, I don't even really disagree with bigred on this particular thread. You of all people should know that when you put contrarian-type overtly negative opinions out there, then get defensive and accusatory (along with playing the victim card) when called on them, it isn't going to go over well with the majority of posters,

[Frisbee Slider]

With the start of Spring Training,  let’s agree to be excited for the offseason to essentially be over? 🙂

[bigred]

7 hours ago, Redd Vencher said:

Pretty funny to spend the whole thread talking about how the Brewers didn't/can't replace the Adames' numbers, and when it's pointed out it's not unteasonable they can it's run away from the numbers to a less quantifiable aspect. It's this plus your personal belief that you're some bold truth teller and behave like a petulant child when there's disagreement with it that gets you all the backlash. In your own words, you think your opinion "...is the Law, is always right, and is to NEVER be challenged." 

Read that again. I didn't at all say, that my opinions are law, and never to be challenged. Many  others on here do talk/act that way about their opinions. 

[bigred]

5 hours ago, Lathund said:

How did you get any of that from the post you quoted? They didn't even hint at calling anyone a worse fan, or were passive aggressive, or anything of the kind. I can only hope you quoted the wrong post

You're right, I misread that post. I'm only human. 

[bigred]

1 hour ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Literally NO ONE has acted in that manner.  

Some have acted that way on many other posts in the past. Not only towards me either. 

[Redd Vencher]

3 hours ago, bigred said:

Read that again. I didn't at all say, that my opinions are law, and never to be challenged. Many  others on here do talk/act that way about their opinions. 

I did read it. You're projecting your behavior onto others. That's why I quoted it back to you.

[Redd Vencher]

5 hours ago, Frisbee Slider said:

Fair. 

At the same time, is it possible Kim prefers spending more time In Florida than Wisconsin? I love Milwaukee but can understand if some elite athletes do not.

It definitely takes 2 to tango, but I don't think the Brewers were in on him like I would have liked them to be because they didn't pivot post signing to someone else. Just disappointed he was had for less than I was willing to give him on a pillow contract more than anything. You could have had the best of both worlds trialing Dunn/Durbin platoon while he recovers, and bring in a 3.5 WAR player pushing them to the bench.

[CheezWizHed]

Please focus your complaints on the minimal offseason the Brewer's had and stop the name calling. 

[CheezWizHed]

This offseason was a clear indication that we are banking on our youth.  Especially with losing Adames and not replacing him... nor having an obvious replacement.  Our wins will come with improvement from within... or we will not be as good this year.  Depth on SP is concerning due to the injury prone mix we have.  DL Hall lasted 3 hours into ST? 😞

I'll guess that one of our starting 3B/SS/2B at the end of the year isn't on our roster or system today.  I just assumed they would grab someone right before ST.

[bensheeps]

Robert Murray, who is usually very complimentary of the Brewers FO after his time here states his displeasure at the quiet offseason.  

 

[TURBO]

16 minutes ago, bensheeps said:

Robert Murray, who is usually very complimentary of the Brewers FO after his time here states his displeasure at the quiet offseason.  

 

Well, he's not wrong...

I'm ready to stop thinking about what we should have done, and start concentrating on the upcoming season and what we do have.

It isn't a done deal yet that they don't go out and get another player via trade.

[rickh150]

I have a tough time grading this offseason in a very positive way.  C is being gracious, but I give it a C anyways.

I like the Williams trade and am excited for what Durbin brings long term. And getting more innngs covered, a veteran Sp back for Williams, makes sense too.

Yet, I think the whole Woodruff deal from a year ago hurts us big time now. Why we spent that much last year for Woodruff to maybe be a shell of himself is crazy to me.  I hope I am surprised that he is starting games regularly and doing well.  I expect him to be hurt and in the bullpen right now, draining 2025 FA dollars elsewhere.

I am not upset at all that Adames is gone.  His defense is going down and his offense will not go up… the Brewers are getting out from his contract at just the right time.  I fully expect him to bat on average .220 with 20 HRs and below avg defense.

What would make this an A offseason? Maybe trading a few minor league pieces for a top of the rotation starter with 2-4 years of control. Or getting a couple of guys like Turang, Mitchell, or Frelick on Peralta/Lucroy type deals.  Or trading for/signing a proven, quality 3B.  

The great thing is we still look pretty good on paper without the moves.  That gives some hope too that not a lot is need now, and that we can add on in June and July as needs arise and opportunities present themselves at lower cost. Having a C offseason is not big sadness either.

[TURBO]

My biggest issue is that while we have sat quietly the Cubs and Reds have not.  I don't think anyone can look at our roster and say that we are comfortably on the top of the Central.  That just isn't the case.

We could finish 3rd as easily at 1st.

If we don't win the division outright, there is probably a pretty good chance we don't get a wildcard either.

The National league is full of really good teams, so to me it feels like it's win the division, or bust.

Are we good enough to win the division?  I think it's a crapshoot, and adding a big bat to replace Adames was paramount to our chances.  We didn't do that, so it will be interesting to see what happens.  (I am not saying that we should have paid Adames, I don't think I have seen anyone say that here.  I think the Giants are going to regret the hell out of that contract to be honest.  I do however, think we should have done a lot better at attempting to replace his production.)

If I have to watch Counsell take the Cubs to the Central title, I'm going to puke my guts out.