Brewers (Misiorowski) vs Braves (Perez): 6/19/26, 6:15pm

[jason21nl]

1 minute ago, trwi7 said:

He's pretty clearly safe if he slides outside.  He literally slid right into the tag.

I think we’re really reaching on this one.  Sliding head first into home is also a really good way of hurting yourself.  The result sucked but it took a whole lot to go right for Atlanta for him to be out 

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

He was rushed 

So he put up 4 WAR as a rookie but he wasn’t ready for the show.

Got it. 

[wiguy94]

I think Atlanta just played a really good situational game and played spectacular defense. They had 3-4 run saving plays tonight from their defense.

- Mateo well into the OF grass stops Turang's RBI single keeping it to only one run not two.

- White with the amazing running catch in the LF corner

- Suarez stops a baseball and gets the out at first preventing a game tying single to CF

- White with an absolutely perfect throw to get the tying run at home

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

He's pretty clearly safe if he slides outside.  He literally slid right into the tag.

That's on William not Chourio. William wasn't telling him what to do.

[Bulldogboy]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

So he put up 4 WAR as a rookie but he wasn’t ready for the show.

Got it. 

Read my whole post. Get that

[trwi7]

2 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

If you're going to blame Chourio for not sliding outside, wouldn't your anger be directed at whomever is supposed to be guiding him to where the throw was coming in.. in this case it would've been Contreras. 

Hey, I'm all about blaming Contreras until he pulls his head from his ass. where it's been for at least a week.

[yourout]

2 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I think Atlanta just played a really good situational game and played spectacular defense. They had 3-4 run saving plays tonight from their defense.

- Mateo well into the OF grass stops Turang's RBI single keeping it to only one run not two.

- White with the amazing running catch in the LF corner

- Suarez stops a baseball and gets the out at first preventing a game tying single to CF

- White with an absolutely perfect throw to get the tying run at home

And their approach against Mz was pretty solid as well.

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

If you're going to blame Chourio for not sliding outside, wouldn't your anger be directed at whomever is supposed to be guiding him to where the throw was coming in.. in this case it would've been Contreras. 

Exactly! Contreras was literally directly behind home plate. He should have been in line with Chourio telling him what to do but Contreras just was a complete no show tonight unfortunately.

[BruisedCrew]

4 minutes ago, yourout said:

He's in a bit of a mini slump. One for 11

A lot of them are in mini slumps (or worse). They’ve been relying pretty heavily on home run balls because they haven’t been able to string together enough hits to do more than scrape out one run at a time  

Two runs isn’t going to win a lot of games, and that’s all they’ve gotten in 3 of the last 4. And they’ve  got two more tough pitchers coming the next two days. 

[adambr2]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

Read my whole post. Get that

This is going to sound crazy, but not every 20-22 year old is completely refined in every part of their game coming up to the bigs. Some of it comes with growth along the way. 

That does not make them “rushed”. “Rushed” implies that he was brought up before he was ready. His production clearly indicates that he was indeed ready. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

I think the Suarez changeup was part of the reason for pulling Pratt back for Frelick. I'd have let Pratt hit, but there was enough reason behind the move to not have an aneurysm about it. Frelick wound up having a decent AB from the neck-up that ended unsuccessfully. Had a number of those.

What really ticked me off was taking the bunt off w/Ortiz after Pratt stole 2nd. Don't care if he was already in scoring position, don't care if it was 2-0.

Obviously needed the pitch to Dubon to be 6-8 inches higher.

The way things went it's kinda fitting that Eli White, from 200 ft away, puts his throw in a spot where you couldn't walk it into the glove any better. Perfect peg.

[jason21nl]

Just now, trwi7 said:

Hey, I'm all about blaming Contreras until he pulls his head from his ass. where it's been for at least a week.

He’s been so lazy lately.   I don’t care much that he doesn’t hustle down the line on ground outs (save your legs) but reaching for pitches in the dirt and ABs where he just waves at pitches drive me crazy

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, wiguy94 said:

Exactly! Contreras was literally directly behind home plate. He should have been in line with Chourio telling him what to do but Contreras just was a complete no show tonight unfortunately.

Unfortunately, yes. Blaming Chourio for a 0.1 second decision without any guidance and the ball behind him is absolutely insanity.

[StearnsFTW]

9 minutes ago, yfinn6 said:

That's what I am wondering. 

Hell of a throw?

 

I wasn't watching with sound but it was a 3-hopper.

 

Not saying I'm right at all but that was a terrible send from my point of view.

[adambr2]

1 minute ago, jason21nl said:

He’s been so lazy lately.   I don’t care much that he doesn’t hustle down the line on ground outs (save your legs) but reaching for pitches in the dirt and ABs where he just waves at pitches drive me crazy

The dumb chase out of the zone to pop up on the 2-0 pitch with the bases loaded and the pitcher struggling with his command is what really chapped me tonight.

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I think the Suarez changeup was part of the reason for pulling Pratt back for Frelick. I'd have let Pratt hit, but there was enough reason behind the move to not have an aneurysm about it. Frelick wound up having a decent AB from the neck-up that ended unsuccessfully. Had a number of those.

What really ticked me off was taking the bunt off w/Ortiz after Pratt stole 2nd. Don't care if he was already in scoring position, don't care if it was 2-0.

Obviously needed the pitch to Dubon to be 6-8 inches higher.

The way things went it's kinda fitting that Eli White, from 200 ft away, puts his throw in a spot where you couldn't walk it into the glove any better. Perfect peg.

I think it was the velo. Pratt looked very overwhelmed by velo in his AB against Espino in the Guardians series.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, StearnsFTW said:

Hell of a throw?

 

I wasn't watching with sound but it was a 3-hopper.

 

Not saying I'm right at all but that was a terrible send from my point of view.

95mph throw from LF. It was a cannon. 

[trwi7]

3 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I think the Suarez changeup was part of the reason for pulling Pratt back for Frelick. I'd have let Pratt hit, but there was enough reason behind the move to not have an aneurysm about it. Frelick wound up having a decent AB from the neck-up that ended unsuccessfully. Had a number of those.

What really ticked me off was taking the bunt off w/Ortiz after Pratt stole 2nd. Don't care if he was already in scoring position, don't care if it was 2-0.

Obviously needed the pitch to Dubon to be 6-8 inches higher.

The way things went it's kinda fitting that Eli White, from 200 ft away, puts his throw in a spot where you couldn't walk it into the glove any better. Perfect peg.

If we're worried about the changeup, you keep the righty hitter in.  

[adambr2]

Just now, StearnsFTW said:

Hell of a throw?

 

I wasn't watching with sound but it was a 3-hopper.

 

Not saying I'm right at all but that was a terrible send from my point of view.

A 3 hopper but right on the money.

Contreras following with a completely non-competitive AB makes the decision look better. As much as I like Vaughn, I’ll take the chance of a throw anywhere offline from the outfield over him coming through with an 2 out hit against Iglesias. That’s a really tough matchup.

[yfinn6]

1 minute ago, StearnsFTW said:

Hell of a throw?

 

I wasn't watching with sound but it was a 3-hopper.

 

Not saying I'm right at all but that was a terrible send from my point of view.

It took a pretty crazy play for Chourio to be out. I don't think Chourio slid wrong or did anything wrong. 9/10 times the catcher doesn't catch that and the ball hits the runner. The ball arrive into Baldwin's glove as Baldwin was tagging Chourio and he was out by a foot. 

[jason21nl]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

95mph throw from LF. It was a cannon. 

And it still took a miracle for the catcher to hold on to the ball.  That’s a good baseball play all around.  Minus our catcher not directing the runner where to slide or our star 2b moving up to second on the throw.  

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

This is going to sound crazy, but not every 20-22 year old is completely refined in every part of their game coming up to the bigs. Some of it comes with growth along the way. 

That does not make them “rushed”. “Rushed” implies that he was brought up before he was ready. His production clearly indicates that he was indeed ready. 

I will say it again so maybe you can sleep tonight. He was fast tracked to the big leagues because of his bat. Fine by me. Other aspects of his game need work because he doesn't have a ton of experience such as going back on fly balls at the wall. There are tiny holes in his game that a 4 year college kid who then plays 2 years in minors doesn't have. That's all. He's not a perfect player yet. 

[StearnsFTW]

Ok.  Thanks for the input.  I was wrong I guess. 

 

Also I'm half in the bag..

 

Just sayin

[yfinn6]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

I will say it again so maybe you can sleep tonight. He was fast tracked to the big leagues because of his bat. Fine by me. Other aspects of his game need work because he doesn't have a ton of experience such as going back on fly balls at the wall. There are tiny holes in his game that a 4 year college kid who then plays 2 years in minors doesn't have. That's all. He's not a perfect player yet. 

This organization isn't going to keep him in the minor leagues with that bat when his glove isn't "Gold Glove Caliber". 

Saying he was rushed to the big leagues is crazy town talk when he's been one of our better offensive players, which is why he was here early. Like he's supposed to rob a homerun that is clearly over the fence or he's supposed to slide the right way? This guy is responsible for so much offense on the team it's picking nits on plays that he only has so much control. Robbing a homerun is really hard, and hopefully he'll figure it out. Sliding incorrectly? The ball got there when he did. There wasn't anything to change that would've changed the outcome other than Chourio being like 2 steps faster to initiate the slide you've brought up. 

 

[Jim French Stepstool]

3 minutes ago, trwi7 said:

If we're worried about the changeup, you keep the righty hitter in.  

Not one playing in his fourth game vs a change of that quality, IMO. Frelick worked himself into a great count, then had Suarez get a glove on a ball that might've otherwise made it through. As I said I'd have rolled with Prtatt, but it wasn't a slam dunk call. Lots of 3-1, 3-2 counts for hitters tonite that didn't end up in baserunners. Add that one to the list.