Packer's 2026-27 Season

[adambr2]

6 minutes ago, Brewin said:

I'm still here and don't think this team is as bad as they appear right now. I will freely admit the OL is much worse than I thought. I would place most of that blame on Gute, not MLF, but I'm also aware you would show both of them the door ASAP if you had that power

Oh I assure you, not many Gute fans around here either. I think it’s organizational failure, not one guy, and it’s not just me, it’s 90% of Packer fans at this point.

Sometimes an era just runs its course and it’s time to start fresh. We knew when we reached that point in the Mike McCarthy/Ted Thompson era and the Gute/MLF era has also reached that point. 

[CheezWizHed]

34 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I have lost a lot of respect for Tucker Kraft the last few weeks. First, he signs a lucrative extension and his first move is to say that we’re the best team in the league after another choke loss to open the season.

Then he follows it up by blaming fan support in week 3.

You want to complain that fans don’t support you after a 1-7 stretch? After getting curb stomped by 21 at home by a team that looked liked the worst in the league before we showed up? The fans that wait for season tickets longer than you’ll be alive?

Shut up and do something about it. We are in this position because we have leaders like this on our team that take accountability for nothing, 

So what question was he answering?  Why didn't you win?  Or What did you think about the fans booing? Context here is important. 

Yes, we are all upset by last night's game... imagine how upset, frustrated, and embarrassed the players are.  The bright lights are on them and they look horrible.  I'm sure the locker room wasn't a pretty sight last night.

[MrTPlush]

Most of the blame is Gute, then MLF, then Josh Jacob’s, and then Love.

Gute built this dump, MLF is proven to not be useful at this point, Jacob’s is a loser giving us this trash running game (also the OL though), and Love is mid.

The answer is to clean house this offseason and then waste years with Love thinking he is anything more than a poor man’s Dak Prescott. But maybe the QB play is so dismal these days Love can still be a fringe Top 10 guy, idk. 

[Brian]

49 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

I have lost a lot of respect for Tucker Kraft the last few weeks. First, he signs a lucrative extension and his first move is to say that we’re the best team in the league after another choke loss to open the season.

Then he follows it up by blaming fan support in week 3.

You want to complain that fans don’t support you after a 1-7 stretch? After getting curb stomped by 21 at home by a team that looked liked the worst in the league before we showed up? The fans that wait for season tickets longer than you’ll be alive?

Shut up and do something about it. We are in this position because we have leaders like this on our team that take accountability for nothing, 

This is just a soft team and it all starts at the top. They have turned into last years Bucks. 

[adambr2]

19 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

So what question was he answering?  Why didn't you win?  Or What did you think about the fans booing? Context here is important. 

Yes, we are all upset by last night's game... imagine how upset, frustrated, and embarrassed the players are.  The bright lights are on them and they look horrible.  I'm sure the locker room wasn't a pretty sight last night.

No, I’m not sure what the direct quote was, but apparently he was just asked about the fans booing. 

Watson’s answer was pretty much spot on. 

Kraft’s answer really comes off worse because of all the talking he did about us being the “best team in the league”. If you’re going to talk that talk after Week 1, you better back it up. 

Not only did the team not back it up, Kraft himself played terribly with numerous drops. 

[CheezWizHed]

11 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

No, I’m not sure what the direct quote was, but apparently he was just asked about the fans booing. 

Watson’s answer was pretty much spot on. 

Kraft’s answer really comes off worse because of all the talking he did about us being the “best team in the league”. If you’re going to talk that talk after Week 1, you better back it up. 

Not only did the team not back it up, Kraft himself played terribly with numerous drops. 

Yes, Watson had the better "PC" answer, but I can't fault Kraft for answering honestly after that game either.  It took me (a fan sitting at home with nothing but time invested in this team) until 1AM to ramp down enough to sleep. 

I can imagine that for a player like Kraft (who played poorly and was part of the problem) had his emotions ramped up pretty high last night.  If they asked him - why did you lose and he blames the fans, that is a big difference.  But he didn't... he answered a question about how it felt to be booed by his fans.  Spoiler: it feels like crap. 

I'm just saying before you lose respect for a player... consider the context in which he says something.  (of course maybe our emotions are still amped up too? 😔)

[adambr2]

3 hours ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

That was one of the biggest laughers of the off-season to me. That a complete non-factor DT whose name has been called a handful of times was this big missing piece. I'm sure he's a decent player, capable starter variety, but the word around this team you'd swear they were getting Reggie White back. It was incredibly silly. 

Parsons tanked last year, plain and simple. I actually can't remember a more impactful defensive player I've ever seen for the Packers. The literal moment he was gone, they looked like this year's team. 

Bet Dallas never imagined that would be the 3rd overall pick they got for him, though. 

People were equating the loss of Wyatt on the same level as losing Parsons and Kraft, it was ridiculous.

Based on what, I don’t know. Just on him being another in a long list of Gute 1st round busts, I guess.

[Jopal78]

40 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Most of the blame is Gute, then MLF, then Josh Jacob’s, and then Love.

Gute built this dump, MLF is proven to not be useful at this point, Jacob’s is a loser giving us this trash running game (also the OL though), and Love is mid.

The answer is to clean house this offseason and then waste years with Love thinking he is anything more than a poor man’s Dak Prescott. But maybe the QB play is so dismal these days Love can still be a fringe Top 10 guy, idk. 

With guarantees and prorated bonuses they’re stuck with Love and Parsons until 2028. Moving on before then, the amount dead money would dictate the rest of the roster. 
 

Besides the money, they’re only 13 months from their declaration  to the league that they had Super Bowl talent when they added Parsons as the finishing piece.
 

No matter how bad it is on the field this season they’re not going to hit the reset button; because it would also mean admitting they were not as talented as they internally believed when they acquired Parsons.
 

They’ll do what they always do and blame injuries then fire some assistant coaches like Butkus and Stevanich. 

[CheezWizHed]

1 minute ago, Jopal78 said:

They’ll do what they always do and blame injuries then fire some assistant coaches like Butkus and Stevanich. 

I'd be happy if they stopped Butkus-ing... 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

30 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

People were equating the loss of Wyatt on the same level as losing Parsons and Kraft, it was ridiculous.

Based on what, I don’t know. Just on him being another in a long list of Gute 1st round busts, I guess.

The stats were there to show that he was a fine, effective player. But the treatment he was getting as some savior returning from injury was just way over the top. You can detract from PFF, and I do that plenty, but I don't think it's far-fetched to think he was 'fine.' There's nothing necessarily wrong with him being a starter on your defense, but he isn't Suh; he's not some gamebreaker that was going to make a difference in the box score. 

While we're on that topic, McKinney has been such a dud after an initial honeymoon.

[JosephC]

Packer fans see value in Wyatt because, for a couple years there, he was the only interior DLman they had who had plus-pass rush skills.  They weren't going to ever get that from players like Karl Brooks or Colby Wooden.  Take an interior pass-rush out of the equation makes it much easier for the opposition.

My big problem with Wyatt can be summed up as-

% of snaps played on defense-

2022 = 21.68%

2023 = 49.68%

2024 = 33.24%

2025 = 33.84%

Injuries or whatever, hard to be a great player, or even a really good player, if you are not contributing because you are not on the field for 2/3rds of all snaps.

And for those that think that defensive lineman rotate, so what should you really expect from a good interior defensive lineman?  Kenny Clark's last three years in Green Bay = 2022 = 78.12%, 2023 = 72.91%, 2024 = 62.99%.  And last year with the Cowboys in his age 30 season = 67.57%

[OldSchoolSnapper]

15 minutes ago, JosephC said:

Packer fans see value in Wyatt because, for a couple years there, he was the only interior DLman they had who had plus-pass rush skills.  They weren't going to ever get that from players like Karl Brooks or Colby Wooden.  Take an interior pass-rush out of the equation makes it much easier for the opposition.

My big problem with Wyatt can be summed up as-

% of snaps played on defense-

2022 = 21.68%

2023 = 49.68%

2024 = 33.24%

2025 = 33.84%

Injuries or whatever, hard to be a great player, or even a really good player, if you are not contributing because you are not on the field for 2/3rds of all snaps.

And for those that think that defensive lineman rotate, so what should you really expect from a good interior defensive lineman?  Kenny Clark's last three years in Green Bay = 2022 = 78.12%, 2023 = 72.91%, 2024 = 62.99%.  And last year with the Cowboys in his age 30 season = 67.57%

Man that is rough to see - I missed this or forgot, but we extended him in July too. I suppose that's what interior DL with pass rush skills cost, but wow.

[adambr2]

Going to be another fun Monday presser where MLF breaks down everything that went wrong that he is unable to do anything about. 

[JosephC]

If the Packers stay on the current trajectory, and the Patriots show that last year was not a fluke (and we'll see, they have not convinced me yet)...it will only be a matter of time until Mark Murphy is dragged into the LaFleur/Gutekunst/Policy blame equation.  He is the guy who hired Brian Gutekunst, when Eliot Wolf was in-house and wanted/interviewed for the General Manager position.  It will be interesting to watch the Packers and Patriots moving forward.

[adambr2]

Policy, Gute and MLF are definitely the big 3 to me that have to be separated from the organization. They’ve employed a good old boys system that lacks accountability for years and they were able to skate by with it when they could at least get 7 seeds and pretend they were right on the cusp. Now they’re finally paying the price and there’s no hiding anymore. Policy hasn’t held MLF or Gute accountable and subsequently, MLF hasn’t held his coaches responsible. 

The entire structure of the organization is rotten and really just needs to be gutted and start from fresh. The timing of the Parsons trade and extension couldn’t be worse as we’re loaded with bloated contracts and won’t be picking in the 1st in a very talented class when we’d finally have a high pick. 

I don’t know what they need to do to recover from this mess other than to say it’s going to be a multi year project and the guys in charge right now shouldn’t be the ones making those decisions. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

29 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Policy, Gute and MLF are definitely the big 3 to me that have to be separated from the organization. They’ve employed a good old boys system that lacks accountability for years and they were able to skate by with it when they could at least get 7 seeds and pretend they were right on the cusp. Now they’re finally paying the price and there’s no hiding anymore. Policy hasn’t held MLF or Gute accountable and subsequently, MLF hasn’t held his coaches responsible. 

The entire structure of the organization is rotten and really just needs to be gutted and start from fresh. The timing of the Parsons trade and extension couldn’t be worse as we’re loaded with bloated contracts and won’t be picking in the 1st in a very talented class when we’d finally have a high pick. 

I don’t know what they need to do to recover from this mess other than to say it’s going to be a multi year project and the guys in charge right now shouldn’t be the ones making those decisions. 

I agree with most of this, but it's not that fantastical to imagine a scenario where they blow it up and are competitive in a couple years with Parsons and Love. They're both 27. So it's entirely within reason those two are part of turning things around. Much stranger things have happened than the Packers being competitive as soon as even next season. Who knows.

I've heard the "multi-year process" thing and then seen a team compete almost immediately, too many times to count, especially in the NFL. Packers look atrocious right now, but the lines are quite thin in the NFL and sometimes just the culture change makes a huge difference.

I think you're still right though, most of MLF's success as a HC is due to the Aaron Rodgers and Ted Thompson. He's been, at best, average after that point. For the last year, he's been awful. Would he really be extended if his tenure in GB began in 2023? 

I don't think this is the case here, but sometimes in the NFL a good coach just has to be fired. Things stop resonating, things go stale, a guy is stuck in a philosophy that the game has evolved out of, etc. McCarthy is a perfect example; I don't think he's a bad NFL coach, but he needed to be kicked out of GB when he was, probably a bit earlier.

What should be most embarrassing for Policy if he cared about the on-field product enough to be embarrassed, is how so many people saw this coming. It was just mystifying to extend MLF this past summer.

[adambr2]

Can someone explain to me like I am 5 why there is this weird unwritten rule about not letting a coach enter the final year of his contract? 

It’s not really a thing with any player contracts — and if anything, THAT would make more sense since their contracts aren’t always guaranteed. It’s not like if the Packers can’t work out an extension with LVN that he’s not going to be back on the 5th year option next year and it’s not like it’s going to be some weird distraction. 

It’s not like Lafleur wouldn’t have coached in Green Bay this year without an extension.

What I am saying is, after the way 2025 ended, even though it’s not the “norm” it was the exact perfect situation for Policy to wait and see on Gute and MLF for 2026, and to go start fresh if it didn’t work out. 

He absolutely screwed the franchise with the extensions, Now if the Packers go 4-13, he either has to gut it out with a wildly unpopular staff and front office and try to feign his way with whatever excuses he can come up with into the next few seasons, or he can pay tens of millions of dollars out of our coffers to staff for them not to work for us anymore. All the while paying the new staff.

And there was absolutely no reason for it other than “that’s just the way it’s done.”

 

[adambr2]

10 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I agree with most of this, but it's not that fantastical to imagine a scenario where they blow it up and are competitive in a couple years with Parsons and Love. They're both 27. So it's entirely within reason those two are part of turning things around. Much stranger things have happened than the Packers being competitive as soon as even next season. Who knows.

I've heard the "multi-year process" thing and then seen a team compete almost immediately, too many times to count, especially in the NFL. Packers look atrocious right now, but the lines are quite thin in the NFL and sometimes just the culture change makes a huge difference.

I think you're still right though, most of MLF's success as a HC is due to the Aaron Rodgers and Ted Thompson. He's been, at best, average after that point. For the last year, he's been awful. Would he really be extended if his tenure in GB began in 2023? 

I don't think this is the case here, but sometimes in the NFL a good coach just has to be fired. Things stop resonating, things go stale, a guy is stuck in a philosophy that the game has evolved out of, etc. McCarthy is a perfect example; I don't think he's a bad NFL coach, but he needed to be kicked out of GB when he was, probably a bit earlier.

What should be most embarrassing for Policy if he cared about the on-field product enough to be embarrassed, is how so many people saw this coming. It was just mystifying to extend MLF this past summer.

I am not really sure what to think of Love. He seems like he would be fine in a good situation with weapons and blocking. Not elite, but Jared Goff or Dak Prescott fine. 

His stats this year are good enough but there’s a lot of garbage yards from having no run game at all. Sometimes he doesn’t really pass the eye test and misses quite a few throws. But to be fair I don’t know how much of that is from being completely uncomfortable in the pocket constantly. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

1 minute ago, adambr2 said:

I am not really sure what to think of Love. He seems like he would be fine in a good situation with weapons and blocking. Not elite, but Jared Goff or Dak Prescott fine. 

His stats this year are good enough but there’s a lot of garbage yards from having no run game at all. Sometimes he doesn’t really pass the eye test and misses quite a few throws. But to be fair I don’t know how much of that is from being completely uncomfortable in the pocket constantly. 

I'm giving anyone's stats a mulligan this year. Everyone is likely to have crappy numbers except for maybe the two WRs from us losing constantly. There will be more sloppy forced INTs, low completion %,  bad YPC, etc. It's all gonna look worse than it really is. 

[GreatNWwi]

23 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

Can someone explain to me like I am 5 why there is this weird unwritten rule about not letting a coach enter the final year of his contract? 

 

Perhaps you are familiar with the Chicago Cubs current manager and how he got there????(blue...why didn't that work)

[Jopal78]

1 hour ago, adambr2 said:

I am not really sure what to think of Love. He seems like he would be fine in a good situation with weapons and blocking. Not elite, but Jared Goff or Dak Prescott fine. 

His stats this year are good enough but there’s a lot of garbage yards from having no run game at all. Sometimes he doesn’t really pass the eye test and misses quite a few throws. But to be fair I don’t know how much of that is from being completely uncomfortable in the pocket constantly. 

The organization’s entire problem is nobody has ever had to work with a roster with less than Hall of Fame play at the QB position.
 

They have only ever know having that guy at the most important position who’s own play can almost single-handedly make up for mistakes around them week in and week out. 
 

Love is a terrific QB, but he’ll never meet the expectations following Favre and Rodgers 

[HarryDoyle]

I'm so disappointed in Kraft. He seems like a blue-collar guy that would relate to the fans. Instead, he cries about the boos, saying they aren't helping them win. You know what else didn't help you win last night, Tucker? The "Go Pack Go" chants for the majority of the game. Additionally, he talks about them being the best team in football when they don't beat themselves, which is nowhere near to being true. He's also wrong being mentally strong enough to deal with it, which is false on two fronts. One, if you were, you wouldn't be crying about it now, and second, you've demonstrated over the course of the past nine months that you're a soft team that can't handle adversity in the least. If this game was just a one off where they just had a bad day at the office, that's one thing, but this has been a problem ever since Parsons went down, capped off by choking away a playoff game to your hated rivals and then after an entire offseason, starting the season with another choke job against another hated rival and then playing about as abysmal ball as you can play and escaping with a win because Jets are going to Jets. After all that, you don't get to tell the fans to repress their frustration because it doesn't help you win. If the success of this team rides on fan support, then this team is in worse shape than we thought. 

Now after that long winded response making a short story long, I really believe the frustration was more directed at MLF, Gute, and hopefully Policy, because he's the main culprit in this entire thing. Extending the two of them is going to set this team back a good five years because Policy made it pretty clear with those extensions that he's fine with mediocrity. Until that changes, ditch the Titletown nickname. Policy needs to go before anyone else.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

23 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

The organization’s entire problem is nobody has ever had to work with a roster with less than Hall of Fame play at the QB position.
 

They have only ever know having that guy at the most important position who’s own play can almost single-handedly make up for mistakes around them week in and week out. 
 

Love is a terrific QB, but he’ll never meet the expectations following Favre and Rodgers 

I do think this is part of it, but on this team I don't think it would save them. QB is the most important position, but there are five offensive linemen, who as a unit are more important than the QB, especially if the QB isn't Aaron Rodgers. Several times now I've seen this thing about how Love isn't good enough to elevate those around him. I don't buy it. Love was the biggest reason they didn't fall off a cliff completely after Rodgers. Right now the team is just bad, independent of the QB. We've seen this with Favre and Rodgers too, when the roster is just too much to overcome. I think that's where they are. 

I don't think there's  a QB in the league who would be scoring lots of points behind this OL, not one. There is no run game to speak of, no time for most plays to develop. Other are quick to point his mistakes "when he has time," not acknowledging that when you are always listening for footsteps, the other things suffer too.