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There could have been a very good reason, as I outlined above.

Disagree 100%. Hader's role is to go multiple innings when necessary, not the "7th inning guy." Could he have been used yesterday? Probably not. He just pitched Friday night, and they may want more than one day off in between his appearances. You can call it babying, I call it being smart with a talented young pitcher. Let's remember up until a couple months ago he was used to throwing every 5 days. He's been a starter for a long time, and I don't think it's wise to send him out there multiple times a week when he has not adjusted to the pen yet. I will trust the plan they have for Hader over what those of us on the inter-webs think. Could very well be by the end of the season he is used more often, and used in late innings.

Not sure anything has changed. Yes, they're enjoying really good seasons from the guys you mentioned. That increases their trade value, and any of those guys could still be traded at the deadline or off-season.

That's a tough bar to use these days, pretty rare for anyone to stay with the same team their entire career. I think you can be a core part of the next successful run without having to retire as a Brewer. Nelson, Shaw, Santana are no different than any other player on the roster. If you can get good value in a trade, you do it. If not, they will all be relatively cheap for a while so not a lot to lose by hanging on to them.

I wouldn't rule out better bats. I've heard that floated here and there, and it does make some sense. Similar to the tighter laced ball theory. Hard to prove in either case, one way or the other.

Nobody knows if Cooper will hit 20 HRs. Did anyone think Scooter Gennett would hit 20? It's not uncommon for players to find more power later in their careers.

Still dont understand what this has to do with Wangs future. Hader could go bacj k to starting next year, even if he doesn't he's not blocking Wang. They can have multiple lefties in the pen, used in different ways. Haders role, for example, has little to do with being LH.

Night putting. Just putting at night with the Owner's niece.

Completely agree. If Cooper gets a true shot, he might be the real deal. Nothing wrong with Wang either. Yea, it's too bad in a way, but there's just no room for Cooper. They would have needed to add him to the 40 next year. Keep in mind part of the plan moving forward at some point could be Braun or Santana moving to 1B either full time or part time. So as long as they had to move him, I'm just glad it's for a pitcher- relief pitcher or not. Not sure this has anything to do with Wang, plenty of room for more than one LHP.

This trade doesn't necessarily mean anything for Hader, Suter, or anyone else. Webb may not be added to the 25 right away, or at all this season. Not if Judge Smails has anything to do with it.

Awesome!!! Gut the system Cubbies!!

Bats don't seem to have the value in general anymore at the deadline. Maybe a UT guy, 4th OF, but doesn't seem like many deals get done beyond that. (That's why I'm sure Perez would be in high demand, but that's OT.) Aguilar may have value because he's proven to be a good PH. Small sample, sure, but PH is always going to be a small sample. But that is something that means a lot more in a playoff series. I've said it before, but Cooper is a textbook "market inefficiency" guy. He SHOULD have value, but really doesn't. Especially at trade deadline. I just feel if the situation was reversed and Stearns needed a 1B next year, Cooper would be the kind of guy he would pick up for nothing or next to nothing.

I had a Rob Deer autograph before 3TO was even a thing. o wow, just because you think you know more about autographs than the average fan, like every other expert on this board, does not make it so. I worked at a pen factory starting at the age of 13, working my way up to production manager by 18. I got lucrative offers from Bic (actually from the CEO's wife herself after she was intrigued by my solution oriented, integrated metric based holistic dynamic synthesis of the ink futures market) and Pilot but I was already over qualified for those positions. I moved on to Sharpie at the age of 25 (youngest regional manager in the company) where I invented the question mark and the piano key necktie. If you have ever used a green Sharpie, well...you're welcome. When a baseball player writes their name on a playing card, I don't just say gee thanks with a big fat grin on my face and show it to my mommy like most of probably do. I couldn't even do that if I tried. Instead, I am analyzing the angle they are holding then pen, asking them if they learned cursive in 3rd grade or 4th grade, feeling for the pressure they are using for the most important letters like F and U. Then I will throw that card in the garbage and have them sign another one, this time with me selecting the perfect sharpie to take into account all of their subtle mechanical tendencies. I bet you didn't even know that a perfect Rob Deer signature requires a blue felt H-78XL 8 inch marker, only manufactured between 1987 and 1993 in Panama. Pathetic. I grew up with a guy who dated Bill Schroeder's daughter in high school, and he told me that Bill Schroeder's wife wanted my autograph to put on their mantle instead of Bill's first career hit ball. Top 5 of all time Topper, well done.

Big deal, that's one name. You can't fathom the number of friends of cousins' friends that I know connected to the game.

I'm not a major league scout, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. If you've ever heard the call-in shows after a Packers game, that essay earlier would have sounded familiar. Caller: "This is Jimbo from Shiocton." Host: "Go ahead Jimbo" Caller: "I played HS football so I know what I'm talking about......." and proceeds to tell us everything wrong with the Packers because he actually played the game.

Hoping this thread doesn't get locked, potential to be legendary. I will not bore you with the details of my post-playing days, but a quick run-down of my playing career: Little League- SS. Babe Ruth- SS, some CF when Mike J. was sidelined due to getting his wisdom teeth extracted) HS JV- SS and 2B. Arm starting to go, I feel my grip on SS slipping. Varsity- Yup, Dave M. stole my SS job, but I still out-hit him. Also of note, our top pitcher was drafted and eventually played MLB. He told me Yuni B would be an All-Star. No scholarship offers for a zero tool 2B, and did not get drafted. I don't know why since I hit .274 my SR year. So I played slow-pitch softball off and on from 1984, retired for good in 2003 when I was DFAd by my wife. Career highlight, one time the 1B for the other team told me "nice rip."

OMG that diatribe was so much worse (or better??)!!!! This post may be destined for the BF.net HOF, right up there with WHOAA SOLVVD. Not sure if I want him to stop, or embarrass himself even more. He shall now be known as the "Do you know who I am?!?!" guy.

Vaughn is young, but it's also his third year in the league. There is hope, there's just something about his game I don't like. More encourage by Wilson, was not happy with that pick at all on draft night. But he showed he can shoot better than I thought, seems pretty scrappy on the boards. Bronson looked like a 50 year old man out there.

Most logical point in this entire thread. Brinson really struggled in his limited chance earlier this year. Does that mean he would struggle if he got another chance? Does it mean he would struggle if he started from day one next year? We don't know. Neither does Stearns and CC. That's the risk they will need to decide to take (or not) and I'm sure that depends on Broxton's performance and how often/ how long Braun is hurt. And, as others have said, it won't necessarily be Brinson they decide to bring up. Very simply, up until now bringing Brinson up is a risk they haven't needed to take yet. That may or may not change moving forward, but let's not act like we know when the Brewers themselves don't even know.

Yea, and now Greinke is involved, and it gets really messy.

Trade with Mariners Brewers get: Yovani Gallardo Mariners get: Marcos Diplan

Desperate would be bringing up the likes of Lopez, Espino, and Derby

Agreed. The Giants absolutely should be looking for a big haul for Bum, Smazargjazaaga, and yes even Posey. But they won't, because that's just not done. To be fair, they could make a couple adjustments and be in the hunt again next year, absolutely. But it feels like they're mire stuck in neutral than anything, and that's a bad place to be.

Put that way, all thing being equal, I would take Aguilar. Doesn't strike out as much, patient at the plate. Very close call though.

Good find! What I read into that is nothing was set in stone. It was Counsell's best guess at the time.