Hi everybody... My last year with the band was the '90 - '91 season, but some of what I have to say may be relevant. I would be lying if some of the same "types" of things weren't going on when I was in the band. There was the standard hazing type things (no Johnson Creek type hazing, though). When I was a freshman, some upper classmen went around the bus "suggesting" that people take a shot of Tequila. However if somebody refused, they weren't "forced" to do it. Also, I don't remember seeing girls kissing anywhere to go anywhere (I would have certainly remembered that). The point I guess that I wanted to bring up is that we sort of policed ourselves. That may sound a big bass ackwards, so let me explain. Yes, there were parties, but they were typically closed to band members or people the band members knew. Yes... people would get trashed at these parties, but if anybody would start going over the line. They would be dealt with within the band. There were a few cases where a band member would be ready to step over the line and other members would physically grab that person, sit them down, and get in their face. That doesn't mean that eyebrows weren't shaved off once in awhile or people were drawn on, don't ya know... http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif I don't think the lines today are much different, nor do I think people don't know where those lines are. Also, just like most people, limits would try to be pushed. However, we were able to try and take care of it before anybody got hurt or offended. Some of the things I hear the band did recently has me shaking my head. Perhaps I wasn't Also, please keep a few other things in mind: the alleged events happened during a University-sponsored trip. Why wasn't the whole football team suspended when Smith was suspended? Because it happened outside of the context of the football team. These events happened during a trip. Also, call them geeky if you want, the band is very, very tight. Asking somebody to rat somebody else out is not that easy. I'm not saying that it is right to keep information, but I think this is the best way that Mike can flush out the truth. Peer pressure will be getting pretty high along with pressure from fans and alumni (even Band alumni). I don't know if this provides any insight. As a former band member, I would like to see it resolved right away... and the right way.