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Having Snyder did not prevent the D-Backs from developing Montero as a young catcher. They just didn't treat Snyder like the Brewers treated Kendall. Neither of those guys is Johnny Bench. The D-Backs realized that with Snyder, but Brewers still haven't. Neither Salome or Lucroy seem ready to take a number one catching job in 2010. Lucroy might be ready to be a backup but Salome might need another year for defensive development. The total owed Snyder of $11.25 would be offset largely by dumping the $8.9 million owed Hall, so I don't get the "sunken cost" angle. In Snyder, they'd be getting a guy who doesn't turn 29 until February. He should be still in his prime, not well past it as was the case with Miller and Kendall. Should Snyder have a decent year, he still would have trade value if you wanted to make room for Salome or Lucroy.
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I'd add Chris Snyder to the list of potential targets for Hall. He's lost his job to Montero and is owed $4.75 in 2010 and 5.75 in 2011 with a $750,000 buyout option for 2012. That's a lot to pay for a backup catcher. Even with his having an off year, Snyder still has some power to go with some OB skills at a position that's unsettled for the Brewers and if he were to revert to his 06-08 form, he'd be a huge upgrade over Kendall. You'd have to add something in addition to Hall to get him, but I'd be exploring it.
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How can you not be concerned about a guy who's not all that young (24) for an "untouchable", who doesn't have 40 HR potential (more like 30) who's struck out 54 times in 158 at bats against AAA pitching? He's gotten regular playing time since going down and he's hit .118 with 18 K's in 34 AB (with no HR) against staffs depleted by the better pitchers having been called up by now. I don't buy the argument that his swing needs regular work. He's gotten over 300 plate appearances this season. It's not like he's been completely idle. There's reason for real concern here. Even if it's just a slump, that he's capable of slumping so badly means he's likely to do it again and should be red flag.
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2010 Free Agent Starting Pitching Options
JohnBriggs12 replied to sheetskout's topic in Transaction Rumors & Proposals
I don't see Hall and Suppan being on the books for $20 million as a factor because both can be off the books for 2011. I see Washburn as their number 1 priority as it was hinted that had they got him in a trade, they were ready to go all out to sign him. Piniero would be my number 2 choice. His outing against the Brewers was the most impressive performance by any pitcher they've seen this year. Bedard would be number 3. Marquis wouldn't be horrible either. Davis? Oh if he came really cheap maybe. I'd take a flyer on Duchsherer too only if another solid guy is added somehow. -
What hurts McGehee's trade value is that relatively speaking, he's had success over a limited amount of AB's and he's not young relative to his MLB experience. But those that point to his BABIP as unsustainable just haven't been watching the games. Nobody on this team has more consistently centered balls and that includes Braun and Fielder. Many of McGehee's outs have been line drives at outfielders. Frankly, I'd deal Gamel before I'd deal McGehee but I don't see either being dealt. Gamel's K rate is a red flag especially for a guy who's more of a 25-30 HR guy than a 35+ big time HR threat. Then (and I know I'll get blasted on here for this) there is the personality differences between the two. McGehee has that blue collar persona that attracts people to him. Gamel strikes me as sort of out there. I like everything I've seen of McGehee. He swings at strikes. He hits with men on base. He looks like a ballplayer. Yes we'll need time to see if indeed he's a late bloomer but I'd rather take the risk to find that out with him wearing a Brewer uniform. As for positions, I see Gamel sticking at 3B. I see Hart getting traded in the offseason with Braun moving to RF and McGehee settling in LF. McGehee has shown the power to play a corner OF spot and the system is deeper in infielders.
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He not only could, he is.
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Vargas hasn't been starting and his relief numbers were pretty decent in LA so it's not such a bad pickup for a guy (Rottino) who's far more likely to be playing in the Northern League next year than he is for any major league affiliate. At least Vargas qualifies as a major leaguer. I agree with naivin that I'd be looking around for takers on Counsell, Cameron and even Hoffman. My guess is Melvin will get waivers on all 3 and they'll be dealt in August. I had a feeling Hall accepted a demotion so he could get some time to work in CF as he'll probably be platooning with Gerut by the end of August.
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Gosh he's 26. Next year he'll be 27. Normally, guys like him would be toiling in places like Fargo and Winnipeg by now. There must be a reason he's still around. He'd be on his normal rest to make that start in San Diego on Saturday.
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The good news is one of Grabow's primary jobs will be to get Fielder out and Fielder has owned Grabow.
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Great move for the Brewers. Fielder owns Grabow. Braun owns Gorzelanny. On the other hand, Brewers have done little facing Hart.
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Braves release P Jeff Bennett
JohnBriggs12 replied to thablingster's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Despite his awful whip, he did only allow only 2 HR in 34 innings this year and just 5 in 97 innings last year. -
I watch Counsell like I used to watch Yount
JohnBriggs12 replied to NYChez's topic in Milwaukee Brewers Talk
Great point. As a Brewer he hit .241 (with 88 K's in 04), .220 in 07 and .226 in 08. They sure could have used this version in those years. -
The same Aaron Harang who's 11-29 since the start of 08 and was 0-4 with a 6.00 ERA in July? How is that any better than what they have and they'd still owe him $15 million? Good move blocking that one Mark. Arroyo and a prospect makes some sense but not Harang.
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What's the point? He's owed $8.9 million after this year. If he's ever going to be useful, he needs to work on his swing. If they don't bring back Cameron, he also might figure in the CF picture and he could use some time out there.
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Gaudin's under control a year longer than is Correia (through 2011) so I don't think the Padres are likely to move him. It certainly would take more to get him. Neither are the type you'd want to overpay for. Brewers' pressing need is for arms in 2010 and Correia fits that bill well. By 2011, they have a chance to get something from within the system.
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I'm trying to figure out where the terms "soft tossing" and "junkballer" are coming from in regards to Correia unless you guys consider a 93-94 mph fastball as "junk". Because that's what he was hitting in his last start in beating the Reds. Correia makes perfect sense for where the Brewers are right now. He's an improvement albeit slight over the current back end, and he's under control for next year when he'd be a decent candidate to replace Looper. Melvin's obviously in the same spot he was in 2006. Being a pure buyer no longer makes sense. He's not willing to all out sell either so he's looking for ways to stabilize this year's team with an eye to next year.
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The problem is not just in drafting pitchers where they've been abysmal, but in development (Reid Nichols et al). Most teams will have the occasional guy drafted lower than the top 6-8 rounds who develops into a solid major league pitcher. It seems the Brewers always have a bunch of guys in A ball that appear to have potential but top out at AA. Frankly, I think the Brewers are too cautious and they'd be better served by challenging guys more. Rob Wooten was a 4 year college pitcher at the highest level of college baseball who was nearly 23 when he was drafted. Starting him in the Pioneer league where most hitters were 2-3 years younger and 90% of the them were less accomplished that what he saw in college made no sense. I would have started him at Brevard where he would be challenged by hitters his age. Sure he's been able to post dazzling stats, but how does facing inexperienced hitters help him learn to get out major league hitters?
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I think it would be Chase Wright. He's already on the 40 man and he's 4-1 with a 3.11 ERA in his last 10 starts.
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Cloninger was one of my favorite players of all time for the simple reason that he nearly pitched the Milwaukee Braves into what I was praying for in 1965. I believed that only a World Series would sufficiently shine the light on the plight of Milwaukee's impending loss of the Braves to Atlanta. Imagine the World Series which at the time was the single biggest event in sports in this country being held in a market that was about to be abandoned less than a decade after setting attendance records by ownership that had lied through it's teeth. Unfortunately, despite Tony's heroic efforts (he won 24 games in 1965) and great efforts from the likes of young Wade Blasingame and a lineup that produced 6 guys with 20 or more HR, the Braves management did everything it could to make sure this team, which was within a game on or about August 25th, would not be able to keep up with the pitching rich Dodgers. They badly needed another starter to go with Cloninger, Blasingame and Ken Johnson, but made no effort to acquire one. Eventually Blasingame, who was something like 22 at the time, faded under the weight of a ton of innings. But the 25 year old Cloninger posted one of the finest years of any starter in Milwaukee baseball history.
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Heck bring him up to Milwaukee and let's see what he's got. It's not like you'd be doing psychological damage. After all he's 26. I don't see the point in grooming him to be a career AAA pitcher especially with the current Brewer staff in deep trouble.
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You are 100% off the mark. First, the tickets are pretty much sold and the money's in the bank for this season. Second, this team is horrible. They'll easily be 10 back, probably 15. They have a better chance at .500 if they blow it up and go with the Gamels, McGehees, Escobars, Salomes playing regularly and those guys get prepared for next year. Let's see what those guys have. At least that would provide a reason to watch the games. They won't sell additional tickets 10-15 games back in September because fans want to see more of Corey Hart or Braden Looper. Those "casual fans" were booing this group pretty loudly last night. Sure some have limited value and can't be traded. No takers on Kendall? Then release him. No takers on Cameron, same thing. No sense those guys should block anyone. Call the Twins on Hardy. Call the Giants on Hart. What contender wouldn't like Counsell on their bench for the stretch run? We know Lopez has some value. I'm sure any number of teams would have interest in Hoffman.
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Why not re-sell Lopez? How about Counsell and Kendall too? Hoffman and Cameron go without question. Somebody might overpay for Looper too. Catalanotto has some value too. Play Gamel, McGehee, Escobar, Bourgeois, Salome and Heether along with Braun and Fielder the rest of the way. Might as well go for as high in the draft as you can get.
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If you saw Attanasio on with Brian and Bill the other night, he seemed to be averse to trading any of the so-called core including the underachieving Hardy. I took it as he's too emotionally attached to Hardy to okay a deal for him but since he has no such attachment to Escobar, he's willing to let him go. I know that sounds crazy, but that's how he sounded to me. That's what happens when your owner is away 80% of the time. He's still operating on the assumption that all of the core is universally loved.
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Lowe got a huge multi year deal at age 35 last off-season. Though I don't think Washburn figures to get anywhere near that kind of deal, $25-30 million over 3 would seem quite feasible.
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Washburn isn't "just a guy". He's got a 4.03 career ERA pitching exclusively in the AL. That's far better than either Looper or Suppan would do facing DH's every start. Think Ted Lilly, who was "just a guy" in the AL and and All Star in the NL. Washburn is at the top of his form and would be a big help.