Brewcrew82

How about this? Yelich LF Frelick CF Jansen C Winker DH Adames SS Tellez 1B Urias 3B Mitchell/Taylor RF Turang 2B

Exactly. Our offense was actually good enough to go to the playoffs this year. Where we fell short was the marked decline in our run prevention, including on defense. Better health from our starting pitchers and better overall defense, and things are really looking up.

Settle down there, guy. I know you feel like a big shot with your 47 whole posts, but if you actually bother to do some reading, you'll notice the word "possibility" in that quote. Nowhere did I flat out say or predict Frelick is GOING to be the Rookie of the Year. I think there's stronger candidates, like Corbin Carroll or Jordan Walker. Merely that it's a realistic possibility that would incentivize the Brewers to have him on the opening day roster, which is far from a stretch considering he's a top 50 prospect in the game and has a highly developed hit tool. And he would only have to finish in the top 3 of the vote...But you keep making crap up and I'm sure that'll get you far here.

We've all been screaming about our lack of high-level hitters. Here's the company Winker was in against RHP from 2017-2021...

I believe he was referring to the Renfroe savings.

"Rose tinted view"??? Literally all of the "neutral" prospect evaluators (BA, MLB Pipeline, etc.) have Chourio as a 60-grade defender (same as Mitchell) and Frelick as a 55-grade defender. I will give you that I think Mitchell is the best of them all at this stage, but the OF defense would still be really good with Mitchell in RF and Frelick in CF. They've proven themselves to be virtually interchangeable in AAA. If you're concerned about Frelick's lack of power, then what about Mitchell? Mitchell's minor league SLG % is more than 50 points lower than Frelick's, and that ain't changing without a complete swing adjustment...

Except for the small fact that literally no one has done that...

Frelick is a plus defender in CF himself. And Chourio was one of three gold glovers in the entire minors this year for his work in CF. He's currently projected as a 60-grade CF. Mitchell has a cannon for an arm, which is why he would play in RF until Wiemer is called up.

A 32 year old Wong at $10 mil isn't going to get you much more.

141 OPS+ in 2021 and 2020 is a heck of a lot of upside with Winker. And still only 29. He's not playing in the field, so the only person affected is Yelich.

Literally proposed a Winker for Wong swap when it was initially rumored that the Mariners were interested. Sure, Winker had a down year last season, but he's still only 29, and had an OPS+ of 141 the previous two seasons. He's your regular DH. Toro is the filler in this deal. His numbers look like Arcia's....

We might be able to buy out one or two of his FA years while we're at it. Would absolutely love that move.

I wouldn't go that far. He still put up a 2.7 WAR this year.

2.7 this year. Far from unreasonable to think he gets a bump of 0.3 from the banning of the shift and a potential increase in time at DH. Why he's ultimately projected by Steamer to do so. Optimistic would be like 4.0 and above, which would be a return to all-star caliber production.

Not really. He's literally projected for a 3.0 WAR by Steamer.

I don't see the logic of trading Renfroe, who had one year left, and then going ahead and signing a worse player on a one year contract. That pretty much negates the payroll space you created while providing you with lesser production and reestablishing a roadblock for your youngsters.

Here's the literal evidence I presented with my opinion: 1) Frelick was a college draft pick whose calling card was his elite hit tool. Those are precisely the types of guys who move quickly through the minors as Frelick already has. Next step in the development process: facing MLB pitching. 2) He's slashed .331/.403/.476 in 638 at-bats during his minor league career with one of the highest contact rates in the minors. This is highlighted by his hitting .365/.435/.508 against AAA pitching, including more walks than strikeouts. Again, nothing left for him to prove in the minors. 3) The Brewers are incentivized to have him on the opening day roster next season as they could be eligible for an extra draft pick if he finishes in the top 3 of the rookie of the year vote. Considering the above AAA stats and his 70-grade hit tool, that is certainly a plausible outcome. Overall, all of this evidence points to him being on the MLB roster by late April at the latest, if not by opening day. Your evidence??? Keston Hiura? That's not really evidence considering they're different players. Keston Hiura exhibited a growing K rate as he progressed through the minors, which in hindsight, was a huge warning sign as to how his production would translate to the majors. Frelick, on the other hand, struck out a mere 7.4% of the time in AAA, with one of the highest contact rates in all the minors. Hiura didn't fail because they rushed him through the minors. Hiura failed because he had a huge hole in his swing that was exposed once he faced major league pitching.

Honestly, barring a free agent signing, which wouldn't make a lot of sense in light of the Renfroe trade, I think we're going to see: Yelich in LF, Frelick in CF, and Mitchell in RF, with Taylor as the 4th outfielder seeing regular at-bats. Yelich will get time at DH, but I don't see him moving there full time just yet.

And where is the evidence for this? Because I just presented the evidence that they will almost certainly call him up in short order, if not by opening day....If you want to present things as a matter of fact, then the evidence should be clear...

He was a college draft pick, expected to be one of the fastest movers from his draft class due to his elite hit tool....He literally just laid waste to AAA pitching, with more walks than strikeouts and one of the highest contact rates in the minors. He's ready, the Brewers recognize this, and they have an incentive to have him on the opening day roster. Hence, the Renfroe trade...

Wiemer? Probably yes. Frelick? I severely doubt so. Frelick is as major league ready as it gets, with one of the best hit tools (if not THE best) in the entire minors. They may keep him down until mid to late April in order to gain the extra year of control. But he's going to be up in short order regardless. FWIW, he'll have to be on the opening day roster if they want the possibility of gaining that extra draft pick from the ROY vote.

That trade with the Rays is how you completely wreck a franchise....

FWIW, Wheeler was a 30 year old pitcher when he was signed to a five year deal by the Phillies a couple of offseasons ago, and look how that deal has turned out for them...Same thing with the Mets and DeGrom before that. I'd much rather extend a certified ace pitcher in Woodruff than a high strikeout, sub .300 OBP hitter in Adames.

FWIW, Wheeler was a 30 year old pitcher when he was signed to a five year deal by the Phillies a couple of offseasons ago, and look how that deal has turned out for them...Same thing with the Mets and DeGrom before that. I'd much rather extend a certified ace pitcher in Woodruff than a high strikeout, sub .300 OBP hitter in Adames.