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I don't think you're overly optimistic on the prospects...other than Warren. I just think he'll take at least another year, but the bigger issue, I just don't think you'll see Mitchell/Weimer on the bench. Leave them in the minors in Rondon and Contreras...that's pretty bold! I've seen Contreras wants 5/100...and that'd be a pretty reasonable contract to be honest. Problem is, you look at the best teams and so many of them need catching help BADLY. But I'd be all for that. I suspect Contreras will end up getting closer to 25M a year, so 5/125 Rondon, eh...it's bold! I'll give ya that. I think, baring a late season shoulder fatigue, he's on pace for a maybe 5/140 type deal. I'd really rather just give that to Woodruff(or Burnes, but I don't think he takes that). Rodon is absolutely filthy...and I like how his fastball velo actually ticks UP during the games. It'd be interesting. The problem I have is you're taking Lauer out of that rotation...and Houser. And those are pretty good pitchers. My FA predictions are nothing special. I just said in another thread, maybe a Wily Peralta reunion now that he's seemed to figure it out a bit. A "big" signing would be a Jose Abreu. The CHW have Andrew Vaughn in house as a replacement, Jimenez is not a very good OFer, so you could just simply move Vaughn to 1st, Elroy to DH and move on. Meanwhile, we tried to sign Abreu when he came to the States. Josh Bell I think will get a 4/65 type deal, maybe 5/90. Somewhere in that range. Abreu on the other hand is 36 and maybe 2/30 gets it done? If he wants to stay close to Chicago, it'd make sense. That's about as wild as I'd go in free agency though. I think Abreu still has a couple productive years left. We'll likely let Wong leave, Cain's off the books, as is McCutchen, but that'll mostly go to arbitration raises. I can see the payroll getting pushed as high as 150...maybe. But not on long term deals. Rowdy/Abreu/Hiura handling 1B/DH most days, Turang at 2B, Frelick in CF and then Yelich/Renfroe in the corner OF spots with Taylor as the 4th OFer and Mitchell/Weimere/Ruiz waiting to prove themselves would be a nice upgrade. Jurickson Profar, Mitch Haniger, Drury, these are the types of guys I could also see them targeting, but on short deals. And outside of Haniger, I suspect the other two will price themselves out of Milwaukee. I think the most likely scenario would see the Brewers take a package of Ruiz/Small+ for a younger impact player. A corner IFer(3B preferably) or just a good bat. I'm more curious to see if David Stearns is the POBO after this season. How I'd LOVE to see a press release that says the Brewers have signed DS to an extension through 2026! I'm still pretty confident in what Matt Arnold provides as he'd almost certainly be elevated to that role, but I don't love the idea of the people Stearns would take with him. There'd be a significant brain drain and THAT is troubling. But again, the infrastructure he's left in place will make me appreciate of his time in Milwaukee in either event.

Mostly agree with how the lineup is going to look like. I think we're going to see another player added via trade/free agency(maybe someone like Mitch Haniger for a year at ~8-10M coming off an injury plagued season)...but I do think you're jumping the gun in a few places here with regard to prospects. 1B-I don't think Warren is really all that close. He's been hitting the ball well recently, but he's in HiA and slashing .222/.299/.384 Really like the upside, but I don't see him in the plans for 2023. 2B I could see Hiura getting more time there than this year and Wong's option declined. Jace maybe starting the season there(or at 3rd with Urias at 2nd) and then a couple months in Turang taking over. C-I don't know if Omar comes back. Maybe if he's back cheap, but catching is in pretty high demand right now. I think we're going to go with Caratini and Severino as their catchers next year. Good defense, a switch hitter and a lefty, both cheap and cost controlled. But hey, maybe we do get Omar back for a year at 5M. We could jump at that. OF-I think Frelick's the CFer as soon as he's called up and Taylor moves over to LF. And beyond that I think Mitchell and Weimer will be in AAA next year until they force the issue or we have injuries. They need and....will likely get 25 PAs a week. Same with Ruiz. And in that scenario you'd imagine Weimer would be RF, Mitchell and Ruiz rotating between CF(maybe Ruiz plays some 2nd). The one NEAR certainty I can predict...Brewers fans will be mad when we don't sign Trea Turner or Aaron Judge. They MAY be understanding when we pass on giving deGrom a 4/160M dollar deal, but that's 50/50.

Well...the Brewers announcers have been talking about it for some time. I'm guessing it's been communicated to him.

I went into this deadline hoping to turn a couple of decent prospects into Bell or maybe Bentidendi...and maybe a reliever. Maybe even a Small or Valerio for the right stick(definitely NOT a rental). I anticipated it being someone we hadn't even considered(like Adames). I came out confused how it worked out and just really annoyed that we let a potential high leverage dominant arm like Lamet go with nothing. The bad, aforementioned Lamet and trading Antoine Kelly. I just didn't like it. The good, 3 relievers who can and have closed who can get outs in October(and hopefully November when you need power arms) and what would appear to be a VERY good left handed pitcher in Gasser. The Great, Brice Turang, Sal Frelick, Joey Weimer, and obviously Chourio are all still part of the system...we look like we may be deeper in the pen(though not as dominant) and I think we actually improved our chances to win in the future without having much of a negative impact on the immediate future. Give me Rosenthal coming in throwing 100MPH, Lamet as a long man and then Bush and Rogers matching up and this deadline would be a very solid B+ to me. That said, it seemed disjointed and either not well planned out or they weren't able to complete some of the trades they had worked out that, as Attanasio said, "fell through." One last point, for those who are claiming Stearns has a foot out the door, is there any better reason for him to empty out 4 of our top prospects to acquire a difference making bat if that's the case? If he's in such a hurry to partner with Cohen, winning the NL is the best way to make that happen Based on what seemed to be available, I'm definitely happy the Brewers didn't overpay for a bat. I think at some point that may be a good idea, but teams also have to make that bat available via trade.

He didn't come close in voting, but that '04 season was...pretty incredible and I think in 2022 he'd have finished 2nd or 3rd. But...of course it appears as though Burnes will pass him up. Woodruff very well may as well without the benefit of the additional couple years. The criticism Sheets got at the time was that he didn't put the work in that a guy like Jimmy Nelson or Burnes or Woody did. That he just got by on pure talent more than grinding and attention to detail. Helluva pitcher though.

Ok...but if he's not good in LF, what do you think he's going to look like in CF? I'm looking at improving on balance. Not just offensively, but overall. How many balls just in the last 2 weeks would have dropped with Yelich in CF vs Taylor(who I don't think is a particularly good CFer, but at least passable). Scoring matters...and obviously STOPPING the other team from scoring matters. I still remember the Brewers opting for offense and FOUR runs(all 4 runs) the Cards scored were the direct result of terrible CF defense.

Ok...but if he's not good in LF, what do you think he's going to look like in CF? I'm looking at improving on balance. Not just offensively, but overall. How many balls just in the last 2 weeks would have dropped with Yelich in CF vs Taylor(who I don't think is a particularly good CFer, but at least passable). Scoring matters...and obviously STOPPING the other team from scoring matters. I still remember the Brewers opting for offense and FOUR runs(all 4 runs) the Cards scored were the direct result of terrible CF defense.

I was on board until the Yelich in CF part. I'd rather bring Kotsay back and stick him in CF. I'd be all for Ian Happ if the Cubs didn't tax the Brewers for the right.

I was on board until the Yelich in CF part. I'd rather bring Kotsay back and stick him in CF. I'd be all for Ian Happ if the Cubs didn't tax the Brewers for the right.

That floor seems awfully similar to Brandon Crawford though with a bit less power. But I'm probably just more bullish on Turang. I've been a big fan since I saw him in Appleton and I see some Trea Turner in him. I think with his speed, his plate discipline, even if his SLG doesn't go over .400, I have a hard time seeing him hitting .240. Consistent contact, LDs, the balls he'll beat out with his plus speed... He's the type of guy that if he was in AA and just crushing the pitching down there hitting .300/.400/.400 with his plus defense, even without nice power, people would be MUCH more excited about him...IMO. I think his prospect status is a big the result of his own success. Moving quickly through the minors and being very consistent, but not flashy. Weimer and Mitchell for example, both a year older, both a level lower. We'll see, but 22 years old, ~290/.360/.400 at AAA, 60 speed, 60 defense, 55 hit tool and arm. As for Soto...yeah, that could be franchise altering, but...I love the way the Brewers are building a consistent contender right now and building their farm system(which I have no doubt would be ranked in the top 10 if it belonged a team in NY or LA). It'd be fun to picture him in this lineup, playing RF. It'd be miserable seeing what I'd guess would be 5 of our top 7-8 prospects heading to Washington and possibly more than that.

That floor seems awfully similar to Brandon Crawford though with a bit less power. But I'm probably just more bullish on Turang. I've been a big fan since I saw him in Appleton and I see some Trea Turner in him. I think with his speed, his plate discipline, even if his SLG doesn't go over .400, I have a hard time seeing him hitting .240. Consistent contact, LDs, the balls he'll beat out with his plus speed... He's the type of guy that if he was in AA and just crushing the pitching down there hitting .300/.400/.400 with his plus defense, even without nice power, people would be MUCH more excited about him...IMO. I think his prospect status is a big the result of his own success. Moving quickly through the minors and being very consistent, but not flashy. Weimer and Mitchell for example, both a year older, both a level lower. We'll see, but 22 years old, ~290/.360/.400 at AAA, 60 speed, 60 defense, 55 hit tool and arm. As for Soto...yeah, that could be franchise altering, but...I love the way the Brewers are building a consistent contender right now and building their farm system(which I have no doubt would be ranked in the top 10 if it belonged a team in NY or LA). It'd be fun to picture him in this lineup, playing RF. It'd be miserable seeing what I'd guess would be 5 of our top 7-8 prospects heading to Washington and possibly more than that.

.290/.370/.430 while playing SS with plus speed and defense...seems like that's be incredibly valuable. *****, it'd fit like a dream right now in this lineup. Throw him in at CF, 2B, a SS in a few years if Willy isn't extended. The exact type of player we've been missing. Someone who can hit for a solid average and get on base while providing a lot of defensive value(he's played CF). In fact, it sounds like Benintendi, but not limited to LF(or a CF if a team is forced to give up Defense for offense). I've also been a big Turang fan for several years...since they drafted him. I love the hit tool, the plate discipline, speed and the defense. You could do a lot worse for a top of the order hitter. I'd be completely out on Bell if it included Turang.

.290/.370/.430 while playing SS with plus speed and defense...seems like that's be incredibly valuable. *****, it'd fit like a dream right now in this lineup. Throw him in at CF, 2B, a SS in a few years if Willy isn't extended. The exact type of player we've been missing. Someone who can hit for a solid average and get on base while providing a lot of defensive value(he's played CF). In fact, it sounds like Benintendi, but not limited to LF(or a CF if a team is forced to give up Defense for offense). I've also been a big Turang fan for several years...since they drafted him. I love the hit tool, the plate discipline, speed and the defense. You could do a lot worse for a top of the order hitter. I'd be completely out on Bell if it included Turang.