BrewerFan

Yeah, I don't know that's true at all. We'll see how the season goes, but I know stating definitively on July 18th that he won't get any playing time is just a bit premature. And you know players develop in the off-season, in practice, in a myriad of ways even if he's not getting early season PT...though I suspect with Dame, K-Midd, then the litany of other players who will inevitably miss time due to injury. You don't see how the Bucks don't trade Marjon? I don't see why they would. He's 23, shot 40% from 3, can defend...it'd be foolish to give up on him. He played for 4 different coaches, 3 last year, was banged up down the stretch. And again, what are they getting from him? How'd it go from trading Connaughton or Beauchamp to not being able to envision a scenario in which they simply DON'T trade a particular player? "So the Bucks have already given up on Marjon," based on...your previous assumptions. Maybe they have. I don't know. It'd seem pretty foolish to move on from a young player this quickly.

I'm aware. I was just responding to the conversation. I'm just saying it's a lazy comp...I know you didn't make it, the people complaining about it did.

I think we're better off, at this point, just keeping both and hoping Connaughton can get back to being a really key contributor off the bench. I don't know who really wants him at this point...he doesn't have much value, but he's another tough, physical glue guy type. And he can be traded next year or in-season. And I hope they don't give up on Marjon. Trent is likely just a one-year 'solution.'

Wow...really good off-season for the Bucks. Now you hope Dame comes back in shape with a year playing with these guys under his belt, Giannis does...what Giannis does, Middleton, hopefully plays ~60 games, but can duplicate his post-season level of play...and I think this team has a chance. One year to see what we can do with a couple of nice defenders added and now a guy who's capable of giving you 20 on a given night, but also a younger...really solid SG. More length on defense and I really hope we get to see AJJ and Beauchamp on the court. Two guys who are very good defenders, Marjon plays hard and I think he's going to take off with another team(as in a ~10/5/3 player who defends and can make those corner threes). AJJ is the consummate glue guy. I don't know if the Bucks make a trade. They'll be able to get below that 2nd apron next year now and run it back and see how they can compete with hopefully a healthy roster. 3 really good veteran additions and then two draft picks who...in light of the FA signings, I feel much better about(though I'd have liked a big).

Oof...this is gonna be brutal(but also good). I'm REALLY hoping it's 5 years at least ADDED to this year. But I'm gonna guess it's at least 5 years 280 in new money, 235 GTD against injury and 180 fully GTD or GTD against performance. Basically...dude's gonna be the top paid QB. Probably for a very short period of time, but for a while... Now...just REALLY hope the NFL can figure out how to work around another massive loss of cashflow, just like Covid with the the 4.7B judgement which could end up as high as 14B. I hope that doesn't impact the future cap as they should juust be getting clear of the Covid ramifications right now, but could keep the cap suppressed for a few more years(though the appeals process will last a while). Anyway, glad to have Love if this is true.

Looks like was 5th, but there were some...pretty damn good players on that team(Willy Smith, the kid that TB took in the top 5 was 4th)...and I thought Ray had a big year with Team USA? In any event, I don't get why we're going to Ray to begin with. He's a former athletic black OFer we drafted? It feels as surface level as that. And I'm not suggesting it's unique to black players, it just seems like if we draft a player we don't hit on, people reach to make comps for future picks they don't like. I'm guessing a small school SS with athleticism(which...every MIFer in the 1st will have) wouldn't be a popular pick in a year from now if Eric Brown Jr is struggling. Unless you've really watched this kid play...and I'm guessing there are but a few on the board who knew much about him going in, then it's just a really superficial comp using someone's scouting report...but clearly not the Brewers.

LOL...the 'I'm an independent thinker,' line is...really quite often just the opposite. What is your opinion based off that the Players they drafted were even overdrafted to begin with? Your extensive scouting(perhaps you spend hours pouring over tape and going to games, please correct me if I've got this wrong)...but you're really just going off the "consensus" rankings, right? The wildly inconsistent ones with regard to the MLB draft given the unique combination of players at different stages of their careers? HS, Juco, 4Yr Colleges, etc... So are you open to the idea that...maybe the Brewers have been doing better? That they've built this farm system up without any top 5-10 picks? That the reason you don't like the players...ironically enough, is the "groupthink" you're above that has these players ranked lower? Just...curious.

This is a reply to a comment in which there's NOTHING in there about Miller(although, he's literally the topic of the thread)...so strange reply all the way around. So again, you can squeeze both replies into the same post(particularly if they're both replies to the same post). I'm just asking what your rationale is. They need to win now because they've been lying to us, but now it's trade Adames...so yeah, sorry if I find your messages a bit conflicting and confusing.

Adamczewski and no, I just...started typing the name and then started thinking about Baez, Areinamo, Eru, Di Turi, Quinanta, Guilarte, Made, both Pena's they signed...and kinda trailed off. I don't know how SS is a "gap." We've got...a ton of SS prospects in this system in AA and below(and most of the players listed above.) Plus, we have two guys who have 5-6 years of team control left who are playing at a high level on the ML level in Turang and Ortiz. The strength of our system is clearly SS/2B. We're incredibly deep there. Power bats? Not only does that normally come later when talking about LA, or just young players in general. Both our A teams were the youngest teams in the league, but Wilken, again, Pratt(two for one), Bitonti, Adams(as in Luke). Wes Clarke has big power, Jose Anderson, 17 year old has good power, we also have a 20 year old on the Brewers who should be around for another 10 years. Yophery is a guy I think weill develop more power. Power usually develops later, but...we've got a ton of bats. No team has great depth at catching, but that's actually a position we addressed today(and yesterday a power bat at 1B). You need 1 player at each position to start and then a couple more for depth. You need 13-4 pitchers. But if there's any area of the Brewers player development that looks extremely deep right now...it's SS.

Where do you feel there are gaps? I could go position by position, but...we've got a ton of bats. 3B/1B Wilken, Boeve, Adams, Bitonti SS-Pratt, Brown Jr, Adam, Guillarte I'm not going to actually go position by position as it's just...gonna be a lot, but I am curious where you feel we're lacking that you'd prefer to go after bats?

...Yeah, I mean, if I said something so objectively false, it'd be hard to argue otherwise. If said Yelich is hitting .200, then...I'd admit I was wrong. You've been doing a "just trust me," thing lately and then when I ask for any type of example, it's "you're not going to listen anyway." Sometimes it's just really hard to understand what or why you're arguing. I say(as I've been saying for 4 years) I think Turang is "Turner-ish." You make a couple of post saying Turang....who's already bigger, will never have the frame to hit for as much power(this after I clarified and did mean he'd literally be the exact same player). You say the Brewers "owe" it to the fanbase after "gaslighting" us for years(not an example of it) and you're alright with them trading arguably the most important clubhouse guy and an elite SS. I just don't really understand where you're coming from most of the time.

Sure. Lots of money helps. They have the #2 rated farm system and they're able to plug in for injury after injury, year after year. So that plays a pretty big role as well. They're trying to win a WS RIGHT NOW. SS/IF is arguably their biggest weakness. Now...I don't think they'd make that trade, but I certainly would think that if I didn't think Miller was an elite arm. I think that'd be a pretty reasonable trade or starting point at the very least with a little bit in addition offered to Adames.

Yeah, I saw. Sloan nearly fell to their 3rd pick. I just wanted to see a couple of these arms with huge upside and Brecht had so much. He was so raw and so dominant at times, but obviously erratic. But it's been two years. Imagine where he'd be in 2 years in the Brewers system? Or Sloan. I know he was even more highly regarded by some... but again, they've really earned the benefit of the doubt.

Yeah...this is NOT the place you come to for your "Daily Moment of Zen." I think things are going pretty damn well. Obviously, there are enormous issues we've got to deal with...but that's always been the case. As long as there is a free election in 2028(and subsequently '32, '36-holy **** I'm realizing how old I'm getting used Presidential terms as markers) then I've got a bit more faith in the US, the US Economy and the People in it to figure out and deal with those challenges. We've also been hearing about the SS running out of money since the 1960s. It's been a pretty constant refrain.

So...maybe 2.8M in under-slot through #35?

I still would have loved Cam Caminiti. I get they're very good at taking lower rated players in Rd1 and they have their whole bonus pool pretty well figured out, but...a LHPer like Caminiti is someone I'd love to see them get. But...oh well. I'm sure I'll love their later picks. I would have liked the kid from Iowa. 2 years as a pitcher, just a great athlete. That could easily be the 3rd player in the Burnes trade. So...whatever.

Yeah...Machado almost certainly would have been a great MLB SS if not for the circumstances in which he came up and then the teams he played for. He's not established himself as an all time great defensive 3B(not THE all time great, but, but an elite defender). But you have Correa, Seager, Gunnar who are all 6'4 215-220, Elly De La Cruz who's 6'5, O'Niel Cruz at 6'7, the top prospect is 6'3. But sure, the question is how confident are you in Miller being able to harness his stuff...which is so electric it moves too much at times with Pratt who is also a difficult player to project as he's still in LowA. I don't actually think the Dodgers would actually move Miller. I think they're just sending him down as he's a bit snakebit right now. 19 ERs have come in 3 starts among the 7 he's made this year. They could have Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow, May, Gosolin, Buehler(that's 5-6 TOR type arms when healthy) and then...5-6 young pitchers with TOR type stuff, so that'd be the argument for why he COULD get traded. But there are injury concerns among those pitchers and it seems the Dodgers entire philosophy is to try and mix the young starters like Knack or whomever in slowly as an injury replacements and bring them along slowly. So Miller, Knack, Stone, Frasso, Hurt, Bruns...among others, they COULD be used as trade bait, but they love maintaining their depth, and it's been a pretty big reason they've been so damn good(despite losing guys like Urias and Bauers for off the field issues and plenty others to TJ). LA is the team that could more afford to trade a young potential ace with 5 years of team control left...and some record of success at the big league level and still come back with the best staff in baseball next year. My guess is a lot of those names make spot starts in a 6 man rotation to give Ohtani, Yamamoto, Glasnow, etc...less wear and tear, and others who have the upper 90s fastballs and a plus 2nd pitch fill out the pen with the more prized arms starting and staying stretched out in AAA.

Right...but in this scenario, Misiorowski would start for a year for a 100 win team, then struggle in a very small sample size in his second year, have a blow up start in which he allows 9 ER and is then sent down to re-goup in the minors...after being recognized as one of the best young arms in the game. I probably wouldn't say he's not an elite arm at that point. You can also reply to these in the same post.... Right. It's not a 50 pound difference. I don't know when you said that...I didn't even argue that Bitonti would be a SS(though if you're going to with the "it was mentioned," argument, it's been mentioned Pratt may move off of SS). But I was merely pointing out...Bitonti is not 50 pounds larger than Pratt. He is in fact...ligher than Gunnar Henderson. I'll return the "SMDH," at the using weight of Bitonti as the reason he's not going to stick at SS. Also, are you confusing Bitonti with Wilken.? I'm just really not sure where you're getting the up to 50 pound difference?

Ok.

There is NOT a 50 pound difference between Pratt and Bitonti. There MAY be a 20LB difference at this point as Pratt is filling out. Also...Gunnar Henderson is bigger than Bitonti. Yeah...I have. Which is why I said I'D make that trade. YOU'RE arguing Miller isn't an elite arm and that the Brewers should go "all in" this year as they've promised. You've also brought up the Hader trade(I feel like I just made these points) and how that hurt the cluebouse. Guarantee an Adames trade would hurt it more at this point.

That's...silly. So Misiorowski doesn't have an elite arm? Burnes didn't have an elite arm? You can go on and on with this. He's a lefty with overpowering stuff, 99+MPH Fastball...there's no world in which that's not an elite arm. He's got a 3 other plus pitches. Don't conflate some struggles with an abnormally high BABIP, HR rate and then just some normal struggles with an arm like that one one of the teams with the most pitching talent in the league year in and year out for not "being an elite arm," because he's struggled in a small sample size. It is...beyond impossible to understand your logic. You want an "all in" move that you feel the Brewers have promised their fans...but you want to give up a SS who's averaging over 4 WAR per 162 games during his time in Milwaukee for a pitcher...who while having ace potential, is working through some things and may take a little time with the Brewers to figure out? For the record, I'd be fine with Adames for Miller...because I don't think they need to go "all in" this year as I love their young players and think their window is the next 3-5 years, but you're pretty clear about being "all in" this year. How would trading Adames(a clubhouse leader like the Hader trade you strongly dislike, but an even more integral part of the team as their starting SS). I just...don't get it.

Sure, I'd give up Pratt for Miller. Not many players I want to see Pratt traded for. He could end up being a star. Wouldn't shock me if he's better than Chourio(I'm not expecting it, but...wouldn't be surprised). But Miller is an elite arm.

Yeah, I don't know if he's going to hit for more power as he ages or not, but it won't be because of size. He's pretty much the same size as Turner(he's definitely thicker this year). He's been worth 4.2 WAR this year. That he may hit ~15 HRs and Turner is more ~25 in a full season seems...not that significant.

Well, not now, but in the future I think he could play 2B. You wouldn't play him ahead of Turang. As for Mitchell...I don't know. He's either rusty or just not very good. Or pressing. But we're not playing for consolation prizes, so maybe send him down, Mitchell back up. I like Yelly as the DH.

And a bad fit for LAC(unless they deal their big man...in which case, just add Portis and bring back Zubac). But Detroit really has no reason.