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Yup. Ugly half. Got a text from the old Man saying they were gonna blow it up ~11 with 4 minutes or so left. I was casually watching. Came back and...it's 2X OT and things did not go well. Brush it off and move on. As a general point though, I like how Crowder is playing. Seems like the last month or so, he's really gotten back to where he was. I like Portis...but Doc just isn't gonna give Beauchamp or Jackson much run, will he?

I hope Walker does keep getting better. There's just the issues with his work ethic from PSU, working on his body and the value of the position that makes me think we should keep trying and improving there. I did not know until recently when I saw Troy Fatanu(LT Washington) mocked to the Packers...his arms are nearly 35 inches long! I'd viewed him as a Guard, but he was athletic and moved really well. I don't see why he can't play OT in the NFL. He's physical, good run blocker, and...again, really agile and good vs speed rushers according to scouting reports. That's a player we could take who may play Guard early on, but who you'd hope would eventually play OT. Or at least be able to play tackle. Similar to Jenkins. As for Tom, the talk of him playing Center was primarily among fans, and when you thought Bakh was finally back from injury. I do think what Gute did with Tom and Walker, that's a HR. If Walker is bad and needs to be replaced or if he continues to get better. Finally, it's a very...un-Packer like thing to project, but they may very well take another off-ball LB in the first. If you flipped it and said we played in the base the majority of the time and McDuffie could handle ~80% of the snaps, I'd say wait and see, but we know that's not the case. Edggerin Cooper or Payton Wilson may be too good to sit and wait on and too important to this new scheme.

It's such a luxury having Tom. I actually still believe his best position would be Center. I think he could be a Kelce-type Center. But, of course, you don't take a successful OT and move him to Center. I can only imagine how fond of that move his agent would be. Speaking of which, as these guys start to become eligible for extensions, Tom has to be near the top of that list after Love. Can't be until after year 3, but he'd likely get 5/100 on the open market. Hopefully they can lock him up next year for ~4/74 on top of the last year. Spread it out. That number could go up with another big year, but I don't think that's crazy with the way the cap is growing. As for moving up, I have seen different mocks where Alt or Fashanu go in the teens. That'd be a tough call though. What's the cost? 25+58+91 to get up to ~13? I think they're worth it, but it's a high cost. Brock Bowers is the best College TE I've seen...and he may not go top 10. Kyle Pitts was just such an insane talent, but yes, guys like that are rare. I've seen people argue that Graham Barton and the Center from Oregon are those types of talents. I don't know if that's true or if they're just the best Center prospects. Barton wouldn't surprise me at all given his versatility. I'd still also include DT into that premium position...but they get over-drafted so much that it's exceptionally rare to get a guy who's a good pass-rushing DT and good vs the run. Wyatt for example, he was not and still hasn't shown he's a very good run defender. I think he'll be better in a 4-3 playing one gap. And Brooks was better in College playing as a DE(edit, originally said DT). He could play more outside or Wooden could. He has the more prototypical size. That said, I would not be surprised if a guy like Verse drops or Latu(the FSU/UCLA Edges) drop and Gute takes one. If he's shown one thing as a GM, it's that he wants to get those edges before it's a need. It'd be overkill IMO, but they like keeping them fresh and this is likely Smith's last year. Marshawn Kneeland would be an ideal choice at 88. 6'3 275, athletic(9.54 RAS). He's listed as an edge, some teams are calling him a DT...he's aggressive, strong and would be a great developmental prospect. But I agree, I'd definitely not go back to edge in Rd1.

I'd rather keep all 4 and watch one lose their value than trade one and that guy take off in another organization. Plus, the guy I'd prefer to trade...I don't think a lot of people are going to want him as he's injured regularly. I don't think you're getting a whole lot for any of the three non-Chourio OFers. So keep them, let them figure it out and in 2-3 years if you have 3 really good OFers and you want to trade one when Yophery or Lara or whoever else is ready to step in, then do so at that point.

I bet with a friend each year...someone who's an incredibly pessimistic person. He's got them at 70. It's 100 bucks+10 for each win off(so if they win 80, I win 200). I'd say 86 though. I like the offense and I think they'll find enough pitching. It'll be interesting though. I think losing CC is a bigger loss than people realize...but hope I'm wrong on that. Burnes was a big blow, but Ortiz and Hall are ready to step in. It's ultimately kinda like the Packers season last year. I just want to see the young guys step up and improve. I don't have big expectations or hopes for the post-season, but I think the regular season will be up and down, but hopefully exciting and make the future look even better.

And I do get that, we could get Morgan or Sumatia(Sp?) at 41 or the kid from Yale, or Blake Fischer, Paul in Rds 2-3-4. Washington has a big OT who looks like a prototypical Packers pick. I'd just say if you look at the players likely to be available around the Packers pick. Say Wiggings, DeJean, Barton, Jackson-Powers(can't imagine a Center, but he's a really good one)...etc...the player with the most upside is Guyton. Here's another...wildly unrealistic trade where I end up moving down and adding a 1st(TB trades up 1 spot and gives up a 3rd). But I moved down each time. The only thing I'd change is I'd have moved up at 58 for Cooper and then I'd have taken Hicks over Bullard. And Luke McCaffrey is a weird random...gadget guy. A QB who is tough, can run the ball, and throw the ball. He could be a fun player. One helluva gunner also(though I've also said it's pointless to take a WR who likely can't beat out Melton and Heath, but as I'm not Gute and I had about 19 picks...I picked him.

Well...we have a higher, more educated class of Packers fan on this board(particularly when they agree with me😁). But I've argued a bit on Twitter and I just hear how Walker shut down Parsons and I see the W/L rate. Honestly, I think the Packers' offensive line and their grades have been helped by Rodgers and Love...when the latter was playing well. Getting the ball out, the way they manipulate the pocket, throwing off that backfoot to avoid getting hit and still dropping it in there. The playcalling. But people see the Packers listed at #8 for Pass Rush W/L rate and...IDK. Bears fans do it as well with Braxton Jones. He graded out higher than Walker(neither great, IIRC ~68 and ~66). I've said if I was a Bears fan, I'd be taking Caleb Williams, trading up for Alt(or Fashanu). Then you have two GREAT OTs(at least in theory, I think Wright is a really good one) in front of Williams, he has a couple of WRs. You give Caleb all the things he needs to win. I think if you polled Packers fans, MOST would go CB, OL...but mostly to fill in at RG. And then LBer is hanging over our heads right now. We need a LB to pair with Quay. Even if we are "only" in the 43 15% of the time...(Andy Herman's estimation, I think it's a little low, but we are in sub most of the time)...McDuffie isn't that 2nd guy. He's great as the #3.

It seems like not many Packers fans view OT as a need. You know where I stand, but...it's not a real commonly held opinion. And I get it, Walker MIGHT keep getting better and the CBs in the Hafley system are going to be in more man coverage. But let's stick with OT for the sake of argument, would you be as confident taking a RT with Tom seemingly able to play either side at that high level?

That was a great trade. In these mocks(which really couldn't be less relevant when it comes to reality) there are a lot of teams trading up for a QB. That's just the way the board falls. That makes sense. TB trading 57+2025 1st for a QB if they fall, then we trade back up ala Jaire. I think that's unlikely at 25, but I just wouldn't rule anything out. Gute has traded up as much as down(actually I'd guess he's traded up more, but arguably last years trade down was SO incredibly successful, especially if Anders can get it together). Gute just gets the benefit of the doubt now. If he moves up, I'll get on board. If he likes Walker, I'll believe he's better than I think he is. If he doesn't address at least the IOL...I'll assume Sean Rhyan has some very incriminating photos, but short of that...

No to Mitchell. I'd maybe do the DeJean trade. That one was more realistic and I think DeJean has a really high floor due to how physical he is. I also don't think he's going to go as high as The Athletic is mocking him as we don't know if he's an NFL CB or Safety at this point. He hasn't run. If he's a 4.44 guy and runs the 3 cone in under 7, he's a top 10 pick. But you do know pretty reasonably that he can play safety. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see GB trade up in the 1st rd. They could trade back and trade back up in the 2nd...I don't know, but as others have said, I wouldn't do it for a CB in this draft and I'd probably only be willing to trade that much for two players. Alt and MHJ.

Incorrect, huh? You're saying THIS is incorrect? When you talked about how their point was "blabbering nonsense," I knew you were a little emotional on this subject, but if you're arguing THIS isn't "incorrect," it's clearly more than that. You are right though. The US could just totally arbitrarily decide to blow up the US Economy(and the Global Economy) on a whim and just say the dollar is worth nothing. You think that's a viable argument here? That the US could do that tomorrow? That COULD happen. Now hold that up against the different Cryptocurrencies that had no regulation that have been scams. I'd say I'd bet on the dollar because of the US Economy, but I guess the US could just tomorrow say they're changing it to the Yen or... something that made absolutely zero actual sense. With zero consequences? Man, you argued so far to the extreme, that there's no possible way anyone can agree with this. You think just eliminating the dollar tomorrow would have "zero consequences?" To the people in charge, who make that decision...to world?

I wasn't necessarily in favor of starting the year in AAA(I do want to get that year back for Wiemer)...but I thought STing would just clear it up. That's what happened and it happened to the two most obvious candidates. Wiemer has as much upside as any position player other than Chourio(I am not saying he's the #2 prospect) and Ashby...I think people forget how electric he was. As long as he's making progress, let him continue to do so. He's so filthy when he's on, it's ridiculous.

I'm not fine with a teachers' pension plan failing because investors are buying up real estate. That'd be a terrible thing for a teacher who probably has no idea what their fund invests in. Or a Gov't. I'm kinda confused why someone would pay 5-6% for a realtor fee though. Perhaps you could educate me as I haven't used one outside of a small area of the Country. I don't want to make this about me, but when I owned an investment property, I would get constant solicitations for sale. I got offered a price I wanted, I kept all the people who'd offered before a chance to beat it...and then I hired a realtor to do the paperwork. It was 1.5%. It was a little more of a pain because there were a lot of things that had to be worked out in the contract...if the security deposits would go to him or stay with me, the people who'd paid ahead a lot of things like that. But 6%? That's a pretty healthy chunk on a regular house. You get 4-5 houses for...average of 300K, that's crazy. Is this the norm? Before this transaction I had a friend of my Father's who was exceptionally helpful and it was never near 5-6%. I don't think there's going to be a housing bubble though. Not Nation Wide. There are still too many people who want to buy. If housing prices dropped, I think your average consumer would just start snapping them up that much more quickly. Explain to me where I'm wrong(if you don't mind Nate, I'm genuinely curious and relatively ignorant).

I was not familiar with the term ACH when I replied...you're probably correct.

The "King of Wisconsin" thing is kinda corny...but Butler stayed. He's a millionaire. Jones seemed like he wanted to. It's all moot now...but I really hate seeing the hate he's getting on Social Media like he's some trader. You cut a guy...he gets to sign with Minnesota or whomever. Minny has a really good run-blocking OL, they play on Turf(which I think suits him well) and they don't have much at QB. So probably a good place for him to build up as much value as he can for next year. I'm also just not particularly worried about this Vikings team.

I don't agree on either count. 1-The Packers are unique in that they can weather the "storm," for lack of a better word more easily than other franchises as they don't have a meddlesome owner. They closest they've had is a meddlesome President, but that's only been more recent. 2-They traded a 4th late in the 1st rd to move up a couple sports for Love. That's pretty patient. And Love wasn't projected to go lower, he was projected to go higher by most. This is just one example(and one of the teams rumored to possibly take Love along with Indy); https://www.patspulpit.com/2020/4/6/21209510/2020-nfl-draft-utah-state-quarterback-jordan-love-popular-mock-pick-patriots-stidham-brady And I hate doing this because I can't find the link any longer, but it was a analysis of where Gutes 1st rd picks were drafted vs where they were mocked. For instance, Walker was like -22.3. Wyatt was +8. I remember Love was ~+12. Josh Jackson was actually the best value among early rd picks at +16 or something like that. The betting line on where Love would be picked was 16.5 and the Chargers didn't settle on Herbert over Love until the last week before the draft. So he was definitely in play for the top 10. He was not a guy drafted "way earlier," than he ever would have been otherwise. I don't get where that narrative came from that he was picked "way earlier," than he should have been. I agree with this, but that's just the point. How many teams that make deep runs in the playoffs have the ownership and guts to draft a QB? The Saints were a team that many thought might take Love. They didn't have the guts despite the fact that Brees was aging even worse than Rodgers in terms of his physical attributes(or just the fact he was older). It CAN be copied. Teams just aren't willing to do it. They're not willing to take the QB until they need to.

Would they throw it out there if he was having academic troubles? Say he's not ineligible, but he's not doing well or whatever. I could see them being vague...hypothetically. I'd guess you're right and he's transferring though. Is Storr likely to go this year? I was glancing at Mock drafts and I see the two Marquette guys(Kolek and Obo) as late 1st, early 2nds, but haven't seen Storr on there. He seems like a better prospect than Davis, but as I've said, I don't watch enough Badgers BB.

IIRC, Mahomes was in the low 20s at the time in the draft process when they traded for him. Trey Lance was not 3rd. Where a QB is ranked on the big board vs where they're actually drafted are usually two VERY different things. The top 3 players in this draft are not QBs. They'll likely be the top 3 picks. There's no way there should be 5 QBs taken in the top 12...yet ESPN has just that. You cite CBS Sports. I just gave you an example of them mocking McCarthy 5th to the Vikings(for 11 and 23). ESPN has Bo Nix 43rd...and going in the top half of the first rd. As for why the trade hasn't been done yet, it'd be a terrible idea to make the trade now. It doesn't ensure you're going to get the player you want. With more people speculating that Nabers may actually be better than MHJ(or go higher due anyway), you trade up to #5 months before the draft, now the Cards move down(knowing they can still get one of those top WRs) and another team slides in front of you and THEY take McCarthy. You might be right. The Vikings may try and trade into the top 3. And I'd bet that'll end up even more of an overpay relative to the charts that the proposed trade to #5. I think your rationale is sound here...I don't think QB needy teams in the NFL are very rational as exhibited by recent history.

And the Fed announced they expect 3 cuts to interest rates this year...sending the market soaring and...Gold...which is a bit strange. Gold generally goes up when the market is done. Have we seen Gold hitting All-Time Highs at the same time as the Markets? I don't know. I do know it was a great day for my portfolio. Raising the interest rates is just going to hurt those who are using their credit cards, paying higher interest rates on their credit cards, home loans, car loans. It seems like lowering the interest rate may help grow the economy even more than it currently is. More investment, particularly in real estate, more people buying homes. The Dollar is strong.

The one thing I've learned in my life...coming from one side of the family that was...not poor, but they didn't have much. No retirement, owned a modest home, lived on SS and most of the family members on that side were near the poverty line... On the other side in which my Grandfather was incredibly successful and started a business that became a huge corporation(when I say started, he was the 1st employee and owned about 3% in what became a billion dollar company(though when he got out it was worth...much-much less). In any event, one side was very wealthy, the other was not. It didn't matter. My Uncle who had a 500K salary in 1998 just out of pure nepotism, got so far over his head in debt, he had to have my Grandpa bail him out. On the other side, my Uncle was a Cop in a rural area...was injured in a bad accident, and his wife not once, not twice, but THRICE got them into over 100K in CC debt. One person can look at 500K and say 'I'd be able to live on that and save 350K a year,' and another is...hanging out with professional athletes and has expensive habits(and is an idiot). That's my whole take. Not gonna bury Ohtani when I don't really have reason to believe he did anything wrong here.

No way? We just saw it last year when the Panthers gave up #9, #61, a 2024 1st(#1 overall now) and, DJ Moore was at least worth a 1st. I don't think charts are particularly useful when a QB-needy team is trying to trade up for what it thinks is their franchise QB. SF traded the 12th pick+ a 3rd and 2 future 1sts to move from 12 to 3. I don't think that neither trade was good will have much impact. So I don't think 11+23 for 5...is that crazy or unlikely. I'd agree it's stupid to give all that up to get McCarthy...but they may believe he's a Herbert-type QB. I've seen that comp used. He wasn't asked to do much for Michigan, but he's got elite tools. Arm strength and accuracy look good, size and speed. If they want to move up to #3 to get Maye or Daniels....then the deal is going to look that much worse. I still think Minnesota would be smarter to build that roster up, deal some vets, suck it up and they'll be picking top ~5 next year and they can reset their cap, but I don't think they'll do that.

I'd have just kept him as their starter for a 6th. Have people seriously NOT learned it usually doesn't bode well throwing a QB into the first on day 1? Caleb Williams is an incredibly talented player, but listening to people with pretty good records evaluating his play and you can really see why they question him as a decision-maker. Mahomes, the guy he's most often compared to, what did KC do? They let him sit for a year. They put him in a system with two really good OTs(I think Wright is going to be elite, I don't think Braxton Jones is good...similar to my opinion on Walker). I think he can still be great, but the Bears are just not a good place to develop a young QB. .

Take the best offer? Yes, athletes have a very high level of confidence...but it seems like it's largely Boras' clients who are unemployed(or signing short deals well into camp.

I agree, it's just a better draft at the top. CJ Stroud had an outstanding rookie season, but I don't think he was viewed as highly as the top 3 in this draft...and Bryce Young at his size, he certainly wasn't viewed as highly as Williams and Maye. Now there seems to be a lot of helium on Daniels with some arguing he's #2. It's just a better draft. Jayden Daniels is impressive. I've watched some videos where scouts break down his game and he looks like he's got a huge upside. The one knock is he doesn't like throwing it over the middle and lives outside the hashes. It's usually the other way around. When you say 3 1sts, you're talking about the 2 this year and then their '25 first, right? Or are you saying #11 and 3 first to move up? FWIW(and it's probably not much)...CBS has a mock with them trading their two firsts to get up to 5 for JJ McCarthy. That seems like an overpay, but as a Packers fan, I like it.

Yeah, I guess for a few teams, but the Dodgers just gave you the cheat code. Spent 700M on one player, 325 on another...and they're well under the luxury tax. https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/payroll/ Seattle though, the team that has been aggressive and where Snell wants to pitch(at least according to sources last week)...they have ~100M in room and a good team. The Yankees are up against the Cohen tax, but still in need of another TOR arm(they haven't been talking to Snell again recently). I believe if Arnold thought Snell could replicate last season or even close, Attanasio would sign off on it. It feels to me as though the Brewers FO operates with room to make moves should they arrive and Attanasio, if he's to be believed(and I find no reason not to)...he'd stretch the payroll to add a 2X CY pitcher who could have our rotation right back where it was last year(better if you believe Ashby, Ross, Gasser, Rodriguez contribute this year). And then a BP that is very deep with power arms even without Williams for a couple of months. That's not even accounting for DL Hall. The one guy I hope we don't see...at least until Sept, is Mis. He's so electric, he needs to build up that arm strength and be ready to step in next June every 5th day. But, if he dominates AA...who knows.