BrewerFan

Because I watched the games. I don't care about their regular season record before Christmas, without one of the top 2-3 players in the NBA, it took the Pacers 6 games, one an OT game with like 5 straight offensive boards to beat the Bucks. That's also with Lillard not playing at his best, but setting that aside...they're not beating the Bucks in the playoffs with Giannis. I don't think the Pacers are making it to a 6th game with Giannis. If you're just going by the regular season, that'd probably mean you think the Bucks would beat Boston? They were...IIRC, 2-2, but beat them badly while Boston won a couple one-possession games. The Playoffs is different and Giannis' impact would have been enormous.

They did with a healthy Giannis. That Pacer team is good and talented and not beating the Bucks in 7 games if healthy. But...as Forrest Gump said...it happens in sports. We may not win our Title if the Nets are healthy, we may have won a Title when Middleton was hurt vs Boston. In BOTH cases the truly frustrating thing wasn't the injuries or the losing...as bad as that was. It was the veteran coaches just refusing to play the young guys bringing energy and extra possessions(while playing great defense). Jevon Carter was playing so much better than George Hill, HE may have changed a series(probably not, but possibly). And AJJ was playing so well that...you could have just picked one of 4-5 players and he'd have made a huge difference. Crowder(who I think is actually very useful relative to his salary, but not as a guy getting heavy rotation minutes, it's matchup-dependent). But Connaughton, Beasley, even Portis at times. When Dame and Khris were on the floor, you should have had AJJ on the floor.

Yeah...I don't agree with the take that it's like MLB...just get in. I think the "better team," wins far more often in Basketball than in MLB. That said...I think it's more about the Bucks just getting in...with their core healthy. That's the key. They're healthy and they're blowing the doors off that Pacer team. They were a possession away from winning one game when the Pacers got 5,6 it may have been 7 shots with ~3 minutes left and the game tied. Put Giannis in and he'd have dominated Siakam. We missed the window to be a dominant team and win 3 or more titles. That would have required beating the Raptors, then the Covid year. But we're still more than capable of getting hot, healthy and going on another run to win one.

I don't really see how. There's a salary cap and the revenue sharing. The Packers are probably generating tens(hundreds) of millions less than teams like the Cowboys or LV. The Cap and the TV deal means the Packers are and will remain competitive. Also, investment funds are going to want a significant return on their investment. The Packers money can all go back into the team. And at this point, they're doing so well, they've got their rainy day fund, their investments, etc... I don't think there's any issue here.

I'd be with you if this was just about Wilson. I'm a big fan, thought he was a great nickel backer and physical enough at the point. But...how can anyone say a guy was drafted a round or two earlier than they were supposed to go...-especially when we know the team that took Wilson, wanted Hopper. Or at the very least, there are reports the Eagles and Steelers were going to take Hopper. But, irrespective of that, I seem to remember the same things being said about Love, Gary among others. Maybe not that they could have gotten them a full rd later, but that they could have gotten them later, could have traded back, didn't need to trade up. He's not who I'd have taken, but that's been the case plenty and the only thing I know is that Gute is hitting for a much higher BA than I or most fans

Wasn't really about making me "happy." But man, what a mistake the Brewers made if they gave 82M GTD to a guy who was projected to be a corner OFer with a 45 grade bat who wasn't a power hitter...

Well, likely because there hadn't been an offer made. He'd previously said Milwaukee felt like home, no talks had begun, etc...that was the end of last season. But, I'd guess we're at a point of diminishing returns...signing him now...there probably wouldn't be a whole lot of room for surplus value. Certainly allows Quero time to recover and get his footing in AAA next year. And then after that, maybe get a package similar to what the Fins got for Realmuto(though I'd hope we'd develop the top prospects much better).

It's a tough stretch, but given who we knew was going to be on the schedule, I think it's about as balanced as they could have hoped for. I'd have liked to get Chicago before week 11 though.

I think you're underestimating Goff. over 9K passing yards, 59TDs(+4 in the NFCCG run last year) over the last two years. He's just 29-years-old and that's just the going rate for a really good starting QB. He may not be top 5, but I think he's top 10 and I don't think the 4 years is a huge threat. He'll be 33 when they'll either extend him again or move on. Those are the prime years for a QB. And they won't have to shed Sewell or St. Brown. They have both locked up to contract extensions already and Detroit's cap looks pretty clean. They still have 30M in space this year and a projected 70M under for '25. If you don't like Goff's...I'm gonna guess you're not gonna like the number Love comes in at! I think there's a good chance he's the highest-paid player going into this season.

.296 .397 .561 .958 ROY-type numbers when combined with his defense at 3rd. Obviously there are a couple of Japanese pitchers who will make that a long shot, but what a start for him.

Nobody "keeps asking about it," and the policing of what you can talk about is really obnoxious. We're fans talking about a hypothetical. That's ALL it ever is since nobody on here actually has a say. And the question was if the Brewers had talked to him about a contract extension and "if I had to read between the lines...." At the end of last year, he was apparently interested per the MJS and Curt Hogg. Either way, I'm not seeing anyone still talking about a long term extension and more about buying out the last 3 years when you decided to scold us for talking about it; https://subscribe.jsonline.com/restricted?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jsonline.com%2Fstory%2Fsports%2Fmlb%2Fbrewers%2F2023%2F09%2F07%2Fbrewers-william-contreras-an-offseason-bargain-now-is-milwaukee-mvp%2F70767219007%2F&gps-source=CPROADBLOCKDH

The first paragraph is just a lot of you explaining why you're right about past discussions. The second is you really contradicting those past arguments by sayin' 'well, could make 50, but taking 30 wouldn't be a terrible idea.' So taking 100M in an extension that buys out a couple FA deals, there's NO reason for a catcher to do that because all it takes a pulse and he'll be making money, but there's plenty of reason for him to give up money the next 3 years because you have to measure the risk/reward? Kinda seems like it's one or the other. They both follow the same logic.

He's 20. I'm struggling to see if this post is serious or not, but....in pretty much every book, he was the a top 2 prospect because of his power. His 60-70 grade power. Now his HR per AB during incredibly aggressive MiLB promotions.

Didn't we think he was asking for that before this extension? 5/250 was pretty much the floor. David Mulugheta will almost certainly argue for him to be the highest-paid...and they'll have to settle on a deal somewhere in the middle(or maybe not...it's possible Love does become the highest-paid). He's next up. Highest paid and not always synonymous. Dak, Watson...Goff is good, he's not top 4 IMO. The Packers are probably going to want to make whatever that number, 5/250, 5/280...whatever it is, an extension rather than ripping up the final year. That at least affords them the ability to mitigate the cap hit for now and keep restructuring it and it gives Love some leverage.

So if 7/14/22 wouldn't be hard to imagine and it's been agreed, he won't consider an extension(unless he's paid top of the market numbers), why is he going to take 30M over that time? You just laid out a plausible path for 43M. He's giving up 13M there.

Do you mean Frelick here? Chourio is absolutely a "long ball hitter." That's the calling card. His power(and speed, but mostly his power). Launch angle is definitely not meaningless for him.

So he can have the security without giving up a year or control? Why do we do that? So we maybe save money(or maybe lose money)?

I'd like to see them take the 17 year old high ceiling arm in Caminiti. They can go to the College OF well later on. I also love the young OFers we have, both on the team and on the way. Always add more, but true TOR arms, that's what I'd do. I Bigger risk...but bigger reward.

Yeah, Edey isn't all that skilled and Jokic is more athletic than given talent for. Tyler Smith is a guy I've seen to the Bucks a lot. He looks interesting. They can't just forgo taking any shots at finding a star because they're looking for an immediate impact. So from what I've heard of Smith, he would work. Holmes would be interesting. Yves Missi from Baylor has been mocked to the Bucks. I wonder if the Bucks did get one of those guys and then Oso is available in the 2nd? Do you take him? Lets say, hypothetically, both Marquette players are on the board. Do we want the PG who can distribute and I think stand in there and play competent D, or the athletic big who's got a limited offensive game, but is pretty versatile? Or...who cares because there WILL be some backup vet who is playing substantially worse next post-season and the young player will get the AJJ, Jevon Carter treatment anyway? This off-season needs to really break right for the Bucks...followed by next season, the playoffs, etc...the window's not closed. Grandpa's sneaking a smoke in the back and it's open juuust a crack yet. Hopefully we can pry it open the rest of the way.

Well...hypothetically, if you can get Bobby Miller and Emmett Emmet Sheehan, you make the trade anytime. That's 2/5ths of a good MLB rotation and very possibly a future ace. The Dodgers are probably not going to do that, so for the players that are more likely on the table, I'd have to say...pass.

Andy Herman is as good of a Packers analyst as there is IMO. Bob McGinn gives you a lot of interesting background on players, what others think about them, etc...but Andy does his own scouting, watches the All-22 and I think he understands the game a lot. Mike Wahle is great at talking about OL.

I don't think the Packers took him because other teams(the Steelers) were planning on drafting him(which may just mean he was among a group of players they were looking at). It seems extremely unlikely the Packers would take their 150th-ranked player 91st because another team liked him. I think he was probably their pick either way and then we just heard other teams ALSO liked him and...it's not much deeper than that. I also think we put too much stock on "the big board." The Eagles draft the closest to the "consensus big board," than any other team in the first 3-4 rounds and...go back and look at their drafts. They're not as good as you'd think. They do a great job of trading and acquiring more picks...which is how they got Jevon Carter for example, but they're not just winning on the strength of their scouting department in early rounds. They used a first on Dillard, on Jalen Reagor OVER Justin Jefferson(which caused the Vikings to erupt in celebration). Nolan Smith was the steal of the draft last year, the other LB from Georgia when we took Quay who fell to the 3rd rd, he was the steal the year before. Jordan Davis was hailed as a great pick. They have a lot of talent, but I don't think it's because of their hit rate on 1sts. I'm not dumping on the Eagles because I don't think it matters if you miss on your 1st and then you find a PB LT in the 7th, you still have a PB left tackle, but I think it's just one example of how the big board is kinda meaningless, and then I just would reiterate how strongly I DO NOT believe the Packers would take a guy at 93 who

I'm just going to agree to disagree with you. I think Lopez gets scapegoated like he's supposed to be a 7'1 rim protector who can score in the paint, shoot the three AND defend in space? That's asking WAY too much. You stop the ball, Lopez is still fine. and I'm still taking Lopez next to Giannis over Capella. People also said Gobert was unplayable in the post-season for years in Utah. We got Andre Jackson Jr, Beauchamp to stop the ball...then didn't use them. Far bigger problem than Lopez and the difference between he and Capella.

It wouldn't be a great thing. He's a starting pitcher. He started for like 3 weeks. Why would we give up on him? At the same time, why would this require us to trade Peguero for "future lottery tickets?" I'd maybe make him a long man since he hasn't pitched a full season yet, but the last thing I'd do is make him a 1-inning reliever this quickly. Why go back to the 27th? As of the 29th, it was .757 as of today, it's .741 and an OPS+ of 111. Also...if his production as a catcher isn't up to par, why would we use Wiemer in that role instead? He needs to be in AAA...and I'm as big a fan of Wiemer as anyone, but he's not ready, he needs regular ABs and he looks much like Turang did late last summer. Sanchez is fine. Be happy you've got a competent backup Catcher. I suspect if Willy would sign for 20M a year, we'd sign him. It just doesn't make sense to trade your SS when you're trying to win. You take a strength and turn it into a weakness. Take the comp pick and play it out. Seems like they've made the decision on Wilson, they're going to stretch him out. Also feels like they've made the decision on Hudson. He's going to pitch a couple innings at a time out of the pen. Black, Boeve...we've got a lot of them. Try and make a deal with the Marlins. You don't ever trade a guy like Tyler Black if you think he's a left handed Molitor though...that's one of the best pure hitters EVER...but not from the left side. So no, no pitcher that will be available would be worth it. Hell, you extend Black if you believe that to be the case. See how teams feel about Yophery or Lara...I don't know, a trade for one of the Marlins arms makes the most sense. We'll see if they do it.