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Did anyone notice that Bakh underwent surgery and then has another surgery planned to finally alleviate the issues he's been having with Cartlidge? THIS surgery(not the one he had, the next one) will allow him to continue playing and he really wants to keep playing in GB. He was practicing and they were planning on him playing for ATL until the day of, but not he's likely out for the year...but he definitely wants to come back? https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2023/9/28/23895182/green-bay-packers-news-david-bakhtiari-injury-update-knee-surgery-salary-cap-dead-cap-contract You know what? I'll welcome him back. He needs to sign a 1 year deal with a veteran minimum and we'll add incentives. That's it. Otherwise, he can go to and join his body on the turf at Met Life. I'll say, it's that much more insane that this guy has been so good in the few games he has played given apparently how bad his knee is hurt, but he can prove how much he wants to play for the Packers with his wallet. You got 3 years 72M and you earned that based on previous performance. Now, play '24 based on your previous performance.

It might be, but that dude really does have a preternatural feel for the game and is a really good defender. He's a Draymond type of player. He can't score, but I don't think we need the 4 shooters and Giannis set up. It's a lot to ask, but if we're going to be moving a lot more off-ball, he may end up almost being a de facto PG in the half-court. I think it'd be a bit of a waste to do the same thing, just with Dame though. Ie, Giannis brings it up 40%, Dame 40% and then Middleton 20% and they play ISO and then kick out. Running a real half-court offense while letting them Unleash the Dogs of War in the open court seems like a good idea to me. But, I'm more of a FB/Baseball guy when it comes to the Xs and Os. So I could be way off.

Hell, I might still trade up! If you could get Fashanu, I'd do it(but I'd settle for the next best). If the Packers did this...I actually would storm Gutey's office! I'm convinced he wouldn't be so foolish. https://www.nbcsportschicago.com/nfl/chicago-bears/bears-news/2024-nfl-mock-draft-bears-pick-qb-caleb-williams-with-no-1-pick/509725/ We need a safety. But not that bad. And Savage may be having a nice bounce back. But I'm still willing to give up that early 2nd to move up in this scenario. It's just too important. I'd much sooner try and get by with Rudy Ford and Savage than Tom and Walker or Jones. And again, with Walker, I think you kill two birds...

I think Walker has been very solid. I think he and Tom were decent tonight. I don't think Walker is an elite OT despite his performance vs the Saints and the Falcons(who really have no pass rush threats). Walker's grade at LT is roughly the same as Nijman's the last couple years. That's not good enough. ESPECIALLY on a team that if you're looking at your premium positions QB-Seems like a check WR-Check TE-Check Edge-Check CB-Check...and Check(I think Valentine is a capable starter and Stokes...hopefully he comes back). MLB-Check DL-You definitely want to address the DL before you need to. You could still do that. OL? There are some positions where solid is good enough, OT isn't one of them. Maybe we don't need to trade up, but we still need to address OT and C. And in doing so, I think we'll address OG. Walker can move inside and play Guard, likely at an elite level. You want to trust Walker/Jenkins/?/?/Tom or do you think a former 5 star recruit who's dominating in the SEC(Latham, Mims) or the Pac 12 in Sumataria...OR for ND(Alt) with Walker at RG and then hopefully a Center in the 2nd rd? One of those looks...'good enough' to me, the other looks like an OL that can stack up with Detroit. You build a dominant DL, literally EVERYTHING feeds off that. You're fine getting by with Walker if you can't have Bakh, but you absolutely need to be aggressive and go get a bookend for Tom. Otherwise you need to be much better everywhere else. Take Trent away from SF. Take Mailata away from Philly? We've faced ONE elite edge rusher and we were sliding protection to him depending on what side he was on and we were getting destroyed everywhere else. The only other argument that makes sense to me is if there's a great DL on the board, but I'd still move up for whoever we have graded as an elite OT. I don't know who'll that will be by the end of the year, there's a lot of talent this year, but you need guys who can block ELITE pass rushers, not the trash that Chicago, ATL and NO outside of an aging Cam Jordan have thrown at you. What about Myles Garrett, Nick Bosa, TJ Watt, Parsons? A guy like Alt is a stud in pass pro and vs the run. He absolutely dominated two draft prospects, one who's mocked in the top 10 as of now when they played OSU. THAT is the type of player you need. Tristan Wirfs changed the Buccs offense almost as much as Brady; Bakh's injury is the single biggest reason we failed in 2020, 21 and '22 IMO. Not a place to get by with 'good enough.'

No, I imagine not. And...from what the grades say, there's one and then a BIG drop off. I like the idea of signing a Safety(depending on how Stokes, Valentine play and what happens with Savage) and then most your top draft capital on moving up...maybe twice for a OT and a C. Or, Connor Williams from Miami is a very good FA Center. Immediate plug and play, but he'll...be expensive to pry away from Miami. *Edit-Miami IS about 40M over the cap...so being such a weak draft class after Van Pran, maybe that's the way to go.

The day after Week 18? Should be now. Promote Greg Williams. I mean...it was ONE offer and he considered it and then decided he wanted to stay at Madison. I'd think that'd be a desirable job for him.

Yes...and Tom would probably be an elite Center. And that was what I argued for...when I thought Bakh would play. So I what do you try? Rhyan or JRJ at Center? Rhyan is quicker. I guess you could try Jones at OT and Walker at OG. I think he'd be able to play well there(at least better). Jones with that frame can move guys and he'd at least make edge rushers take the long way to the QB. But short of TB trading Wirfs(I'd give up 2 1sts for that and not blink)...I just don't think many answers are coming. Walker needs to improve at LT Jenkins healthy at LG Myers try and not #$%$ it up at C JRJ-solid at RG Tom-He is really impressive and still needs about 10 more pounds of good weight.

Newman is more consistently below average, but Myers annoys me more because he's solid at times and at other times looks completely hapless.

Yeah, the Broncos game in ~15 or so. A couple Bills games, the Panthers game. The Chargers game a couple years ago. They absolutely did. The OL needs to be fixed and that should be the main priority this off-season, but I'm good with where they are as well. It's only possible they win 9-10 games because it's a very weak schedule, but I'd say they're roughly where Rodgers and GB was in 2008.

I didn't think. I'll wait and see the grades, but I'd guess he grades out average, Tom a bit above and then Newman in the ~-2 to -4 range, Myers even worse and JRJ -2 as well. I thought Walker held up well vs his man and got beat inside a few times, but gave Love a chance for the most part.

No. He had awful technique at Va Tech, he's high waisted, he's not a particularly good run blocker or powerful, he wins with athleticism. Asking him to kick inside feels...like a very bad idea. I'd try Rhyan and hope Jenkins comes back soon. But I'd be shocked if Nijman can play OG. Tom could, but again, you're taking your best OT and OL and moving him inside.

Sure, but Love is getting beat up in the pocket and when he's throwing that ball, Doubs is running a route where he should be there. He's late and the safety was not as far back as I thought, but...it's pretty hard to find a lot of fault with Love. He did throw it to where Doubs was running on the dig. He threw it late and it would have been contested, but people calling it a Favre like throw...not really fair. Doubs turning up field as the ball comes out changes the look of the entire play.

The thing is where are you playing him? The ONLY thing you had going for you was you had OTs who were holding up. Walker and Tom played...pretty well. You'd have to move Walker to Guard(which I think should be done, but not on the fly) and Tom HAS to stay on the outside. He's too athletic and not strong enough. Nijman is CLEARLY one of the top 5, but it's a weird situation. He's not a OG.

I give MLF a pass for tonight since Jones was beat up, but Wilson should pass him as the 2nd ball carrier. The only thing Dillon really does well...is help in pass pro.

Yup. Give me Joe Alt(or Mims from UGA who I think will blow up). Hell, give me UGA's LT, C and their MLBer who replaced Quay in Smael Mondon and looks like a more instinctive version. And then keep adding to the DL. Keep growing from the trenches. We have the weapons on the outside. We have the QB. We have EVERYTHING you need on D but a good DC. I think Valentine is a starting caliber CB. Stokes is coming back. But go back to work on that OL, building one that can dominate like the top 4 teams in the NFC can right now, Philly, Det, SF and...when healthy, Dallas.

No chance.

After watching it again, it was late and Love would have needed Doubs to work back to him there. So 60/40 Love/Doubs, but asking him to hold it so Love can get open up field is asking a WHOLE lot while the pocket is collapsing.

I'll have to go look at it again, but it looked like if Doubs continues his route, it's going to hit him in stride and not go sailing past to the Safety 7 yards deeper.

Sure...that's all true. And in Walker's mind, if he blocks it flush(not just tips it) but blocks it, now it's a play with a bunch of OL vs Walker and a bunch of CBs. I doubt he'll do it again, I'm just not putting too much on him for trying to make a play like that.

No, Doubs just STOPS running the route for whatever reason. He was coming open and he turns upfield as Love is letting it go. Just some of the give and take with young skill players/QB.

Jaire can play slot, Douglas can play slot. There's nothing special about slot anymore. Especially with bigger WRers playing the slot now. And there's an idea that the slot is in the run game more and they're really not. It's a small difference in how much they're taking on hits with the bubble screens and all that. They played with all three just fine Stokes rookie year. That's when they were at their best.

I am not befuddled. I am Joe Barry-ed. They are NEVER doing anything to create confusion and it's all about your man beating the man in front of you. He gives his players NO advantages whereas...EVERY good DC does. No free runners, no different looks in coverage. MAYBE he'll run a stunt and that's it. I wish to hell I could find the video of Jim Leonhard's blitz packages. I watched it 3-4 times and it's NOT gimmicky College stuff, it's the type of stuff that works at any level.

Holy Crap...yeah, that's WILD. Quay Walker has been by FAR the best defensive player all game. No, I will NOT be happy when a 6'4 dude with elite speed and a non-stop motor is gone. I really hope that was a reactionary comment and we can be a little more level headed(and not push a trainer).

I don't really care about that. Quay Walker is trying to make a game changing play...trying to get up and block it. I'll take a play of aggression 100 times over pushing a trainer or something stupid. I'm...not happy, but I feel like the 2nd half, Love and the team showed a lot. I mean, it's a stupid play, that's obvious, but...I just can't get too mad at Quay for THAT particular play.

Who was the right Rodgers?