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That and you also can't just plug any of this into a mathematical equation and say "this is the player with the appropriate surplus value it'd take to acquire Eloy." We've heard all about the White Sox outlandish requests. Unless they went from wanting multiple top prospects for Eloy to wanting to dump him, I do think it'll take a Black-type prospect to get him. If it just took a lottery ticket, he'd have been on the Brewers when we were searching for RHed bats so hard this past deadline. His value, on a last-place team, most likely didn't go from multiple top prospects at the trade deadline to a low level lottery ticket in what amounts to a salary dump after 2 more months of Baseball.

I'm late to this one, but I loved Avina. I know he had a loooong way to go and it was a long shot, we have a lot of OFers, all of that. But that swing was so pretty and the power so easy, I just would have liked to have kept him. But my prospect evaluation has sucked compared to the Brewers, so...I'll defer to them.

Ya think? Are we giving that type of money out to a guy like Mellusi? I'm curious how much the staff even wants him back given the young guys we have coming in. Then I remember he did look like an ideal fit in this offense, so maybe they want him back more than I do. Your comment was likely more about how little an UDFA makes more than anything.

Ya think? I'd still give it another year, but he's looked...REALLY good. I still want to see him hitting those deep throws more. It took Josh Allen a year+ of playing before he was hitting them, but you can't underthrow Watson. If Watson doesn't make a good play on that ball, we're talking about what a bad throw that was. That said, given all the obstacles he's had, it's hard to not be impressed. I don't know what the equivalent of the Rodgers extension would be in modern NFL money and I'm not gonna spend time looking it up, but if it's something like 5/200 with maybe 80M in a SB...ADDED to his existing year, I think I could live with that. If you're talking about paying him 50M or so, even if that's what all the young QBs are getting, I'm definitely holding off. I do think he's more impressive than Hurts, but Hurts has that dominant OL, he's got a top 10 pick at WRer, AJ Brown, and he's got talented RBs/TEs. I do love that the Love haters have at least had to shut up for a bit! That's nice...

Driver is fair. I see some Adams type ability in creating separation. Obviously not on that level, but the way he does it. Toure was the guy I thought/hoped would be like Driver. Driver was just so incredibly quick(and tough) for a smaller guy. I also don't know if Driver's listed size is accurate. 6' 194? Wicks is 6'1 206? Is this just memory failing me or him not having the combine for an exact number that makes Driver seem smaller than his listed height and weight? In any event, it looks like the last two classes have produced a LOT of really nice depth on the 3rd day with the potential for a couple of really important franchise mainstays like Tom, Carlson, Doubs, Valentine, and maybe Wicks(it feels like he's proving he's a big piece as much as Doubs or anyone but Reed at this point). I think the two biggest things, LVN wasn't flashy. He didn't just come blowing off the edge and lighting guys up like Nolan Smith(though I'd have very little confidence in Smith setting the edge). He was more of a physical player...and everyone wanted JSN. They wanted a WRer, NOT another edge. Comparing his size to Bosa or Sweat, just about any of the elite 4-3 edge rushers, he's as big or bigger than them. He's an inch shorter and the exact same weight as Myles Garrett. He really is just about as close of a prospect as you can get to Gary. In terms of what/how they played in College. Van Ness played more edge, but he also lined up inside. He came in and was obviously a backup. Both were high-effort players who were limited. I'm not holding my breath that LVN becomes Rashan Gary as that's just an unfair standard to hold anyone to, but a really good, top ~10-15 edge? That seems within reach. Maybe on the higher end given the depth at that position, but opposite Gary?

Ok...that's fair. That looks really bad at the moment, but I'm not going to make a judgment on that move at this time. I'd like to know who turned down 2 1sts for Burnes, who made the decision in the first place to trade Moore+1sts and a 3rd to move up for any QB in that draft class. That was a Baker Mayfield type class. No obvious studs, a QB 1st just because of positional value, not talent(which is always the case, but it's far more justifiable in a year like this with Maye and Williams). The Bears and Cards were the clear winners IMO as soon as they made those trades...even with the Texans being much better than expected. I do know the owner came in and he wanted to win and he was a bit clueless, so if that's what you mean, he wasn't as forward-looking in his rebuild, that's fair. I'm gonna hold off on crowning Stroud over Young for just a bit longer, but it certainly looks like a HR at the moment.

How is it their owner? I know he's rich and impatient, but they haven't spent poorly on big-name FAs. They did go all in on Young last year when I thought it was smarter to go the Cards/Texans route(though look at the Texans now) but was that the Owner or the GM? It seems pretty obvious to me that it's NOT Reich's fault at least.

I don't think so. This feels consistent with EVERYTHING else with Heyman speculating we may be a bit more likely to keep him, at least until the ASB(then re-evaluate), that's it. This isn't some big about-face.

Right. There's no figurative gun to their head. They can sit back, wait for the Pitchers to fall off the market. They can even wait until early on into next year and into the deadline as was said in the article and re-evaluate. Making a decision that it's probably best to trade Burnes doesn't mean accepting whatever is offered.

Yeah, I understand that line of thinking, I just think re-grouping and adding young pitching talent for '25 makes more sense.

He's gonna be an older back. I don't know if another year of school matters or not. I think he's an UDFA if it's this year or next year. I don't see a scenario in which he goes in the 4th rd. There are really good, proven backs who will go later. Corum and Edwards from Michigan are in that 4th rd range(in most projections, some have Edwards higher) and Davis from UK or Watson from Memphis, both are in the 6th rd range. I don't see Mellusi being able to elevate himself to that level.

That is trash. I wouldn't even be as mad about not going after the fumble as I'd be just making ZERO effort to block. If that RB bounces that outside(makes ONE guy miss) and Johnson isn't even attempting to block... You can't have guys like that on your team. Thompson frustrated me for years for going after "Packers players," and passing on the...Tyreke Hill types(not him exactly, but there'd be reports they didn't have certain players on their board...and Hill did end up being one of them). We have been kinda lucky though. For a position that has so many diva's...who have we had? Jennings job is to talk about the game and has ONE story he dusts off every once in a while(usually when asked, but "we" still hate him). Finley was a loud mouth, but before that it's Walker I guess and then Sharpe...sorta. But at some point you earn the right to demand targets and speak your mind a bit. We've had pretty good luck with WRers both in terms of performance and selflessness. Even when Adams left, he didn't pout or leave on a bad note, just wanted to play elsewhere. But you can't have people out there who just don't care about anything other than their stats. It takes too much to win a FB game. I'd make him inactive next week...explosive as he may be. The complaining about coaching I can understand, it at least shows some fire, but this is quitting on your team.

You said it was "Arnold speak." I'm asking when the Brewers have done this under Arnold OR Stearns tenure. When have they said player X was not available in trade(which, for the record, I'm not seeing they even said about Burnes) only to drive the price up and then trade him? This seems more like fan speculation than how GMs actually operate. I don't think GMs play games like this. I think GMs have an idea if they want to trade a player or what it'll cost to give up a player and then a team either meets that price or they don't and the conversations for a player like Burnes take a long time to work out and dozens of calls going back and forth.

I don't recall ANY knock on Van Ness being that he wasn't big enough. His nickname was Hercules. He's a BIG physical edge rusher. He was compared to Howie Long or Justin Smith. The questions about his size, to the extent there were any, would have been about if he was big enough to play as a 5 tech or DE in a 34 and I really doubt that concern lasted past the combine when he ran a 4.58 with exceptional splits. The dude has 34 inch arms, he's got monster hands, he's another BIG OLBer. The only negative I heard about him was that he didn't start at Iowa despite the fact that he played more than the starters because they start players based on seniority. Brooks meanwhile is almost certainly going to stay as an IDL. I don't think he'll ever be an edge rusher given the young players we've already got in place. You may be confusing Wooden and Brooks as Wooden is small for the IDL(which is any DL in a 34). I also think he's got a little more potential in him than 4 sacks given it's his rookie year, he's 11 games in and he's already at 3. Coming out of Bowling Green, I'd imagine he'd have a little more upside remaining than what you see now.

I sincerely doubt there's any correlation between the two at all.

I actually haven't seen this before. Could you make a comp? Who have we said is available, then said we're probably keeping, then dealt for a premium? Hader is as close as I can get to this scenario, but that was a pretty shocking move and one we've(the FO) has explicitly stated was a mistake...or at least the type of move they made not fully appreciating the impact it'd have. I wonder if they're a little extra motivated to beat the Cubs this year and that's playing any role. It shouldn't, but that's likely playing SOME role for Attanasio and the FO.

Ok...they may both be wildcards to a degree. But if Wiemer hits, he's a 6-7 WAR player and Jiminez is a DH only bat...and you're already paying a premium to fit him into our payroll. I also don't see the Braun comps. Braun was better at everything. His best season(Eloy) he had an .891 OPS. That's Braun's career average. Now you throw in his ability to play the field, his speed, base running. There's no area I'd say he's Braun's equal(or more specifically on his level as you didn't actually say equal). He IS absolutely a big time RHed bat, but I just think you're spending too much money and giving up a potential star for a guy who may not play half the games. And I'm sure you'd respond Wiemer may end up hitting .210...and while that's true, at least you're not paying 18M to roll those dice.

I think he costs substantially more than a lottery ticket. That's among the reasons I wouldn't do it, but...he's a proven hitter. Hasn't proven he can stay healthy and he's a butcher in the field, not great on the bases...but he can hit and hit for power. I'd guess you'd be looking at a prospect like Black at least.

Watch your mouth... Seriously though, there are a bunch of really good OTs. I just got fixated on Alt because he just seems like a robot out there. But that Fashanu is still the higher rated OT by most. There are 10 OTs(I'd guess) who'll start next year and maybe more. The Jets certainly seem like the team that's more likely. Really wish we'd have held out for that 1st, but hindsight is easy that way and the deal we got was good for a 40 yr old QB we had to trade. I'm kinda torn about rooting for Rodgers at this point. All of his hemming and hawing, "I was 90% retired," and then the claims that HE chose the Jets when it was obvious we started talking to the Jets and then he just signed on, now he loves them, and wants to play several years there. I'll love him again like I did with Favre(and then possibly dislike him again if he defrauds the poorest state's safety net for its poorest citizens) but I might be rooting for Brock Bowers to fall to the Jets. Just an incredible talent they can't pass up!

Yup, that was just an issue of scapegoating a guy. I think it was probably worth a try as sometimes a QB can bring new energy, but the problem is I would guess generally, those QBs would be mobile QBs who can keep drives going with their feet. Especially behind an OL like the Jets who are without Becton and AGAIN Vera Tucker and I don't know if Brown even played today. McGovern was also a starter I believe, he's now out. Good luck to Rodgers if he does try coming back...I'd guess they're out of it by the time that's realistic, or at best it's like the year he came back for the Panthers game, but...it ain't gonna matter.

Yeah...because it's really stupid to make these absolute statements. I think he's going to get fired. I think there's enough talent for this defense to be elite. I think two games where he's completely changed his entire scheme doesn't change his overall body of work and I don't see how MLF and Barry's fates are tied together. That seems silly to me. But there are 6 games left. If he keeps coming with these different looks...I guess he might stick around. It'd be a WHOLE lot better if he was also disguising coverages a little bit. Show man with the 6 man fronts and then drop into zone, otherwise teams are going to just run those little crossing routes and digs and again nickel and dime us to death, but as of right now, we've seen Barry's defense(which we've invested 8 first-round, picks and significant money in) have a couple of good games after a season of mediocrity and him hang on only to see the same flaws bubble back up. Lets keep in mind Murphy and his influence is leaving. That's impacted the Rizzi non-hire, keeping Pettine, giving Drayton the job...football decisions that are supposed to(or at least HAVE always been strictly under Gutey's purview with the Football and Business side separated). That, the fact that Barry wasn't his first coach. That MLF has earned a helluva lot more credibility than Barry. To categorically state he is NOT getting fired unless MLF is? I don't know how you possibly come to that conclusion.

LOL...I don't care... Yes! I am also very curious about the Packers record when Mercury is in retrograde and how/why that impacts their performance!

Ahh...so we're saying all this Astrology stuff is legit? Imma have to start checking out my profile more!

What a wild game. If you'd have told me we held Hutchinson down(I don't know that he did anything of substance) or that we'd protected the QB so well, JOE BARRY would come back out with such a great game plan AGAIN(two in two weeks) I wouldn't have believed you. I'm mourning the loss of Joe Alt(or at least the cost to move up to draft him)...but damn, it's sure nice to see Love throwing dimes AND still have some room for improvement. Not many, but a few missed plays like that first big play to Watson he didn't put it out in front of him enough, a couple of balls, but overall, just a really nice performance. Throwing the ball on early downs and keeping the Lions off balance and then just again, Joe Barry with those different fronts...lining Quay up on the LOS so often and having 5, 6 guys up there, some bailing out. The one play you had 4 guys coming off the left side and Gary dropping in coverage(which resulted in both pressure and an incomplete pass). I'd almost rather pull my own teeth than give Barry praise, but gotta give credit where credit is due!

This is the only answer. There's no rush to do anything other than give Chourio a 10 year extension, but since this isn't about him, just let 'em all play. I thought Taylor had no chance to be an MLB regular and he's been a pretty damn nice player for us, especially later in the year last year. He's had some rough starts and what not, but Wiemer should at LEAST be a guy who plays elite defense, hits for a lot of power and maybe he struggles to hit .225 and maintain an OBP over .300. That's still not a terrible case scenario for a guy who'll again, likely hit for power and could probably win a GG in RF and possibly in CF.