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NOBODY is speculating it could be some type of contract extension? Sal Frelick signs an 8 year 40M extension or...Woody signs a 5 year extension? A patch? A friggin patch? Who announces a new patch!

Yes...I suppose that has become abundantly clear making that a stupid question.

I'm not sure what TC means here. Last year his PFF grade was the 2nd highest behind Trent Williams among I think OTs, but maybe it was just LTs. I see he had a pretty bad game vs Tampa. They DEFINITELY aren't developing OL like the Packers who can take Zach Tom, Jenkins, JRJ in the 6th or Walker in the 7th and build a pretty good OL. The only mistake I'd say they've made is the Myers over Creed pick a couple years ago, but there is no question they develop much better than the Vikings. The same as been true for all the teams in the NFC North...though the Lions seem to have figured it out and the Bears...maybe did. Whatever Darrisaw is, if he's the 90 grade PFF gave him last year or if he's closer to the ~73 he was given in 2021, or last year, I don't know. I haven't watched him. Week 1 though, Tom was the 3 overall graded OT...though Braxton Jones had a 90 pass blocking grade before he lost points for the 3 HUGE penalties lowering his grade to 62. OR the fact that both Fields and Love got the same grade for the play they fumbled the ball...despite the fact Fields lost it while Love picked it up and completed a 50 yards pass. So PFF is definitely not the end all, but I'd thought Darrisaw was viewed in a group with Schlater and Wirfs(not quite the later) as the elite young OTs. I don't know that's true. I do know the middle of that OL is going to be just mush and with Cousins lack of mobility, Philly has to be a huge favorite tonight. I THINK I'm going to take Philly tonight in my survivor pool. 4 days off, Philly is at home and you've got Carter, Davis, Cox as part of their 3 man rotation and I expect them to just dominate the Vikings tonight.

Slaton is playing an an effective NT, I'm not disputing that. He's not getting moved off his spot. BUT...I see no reason he couldn't do that as a 3 or at DE. And I did find Clark's snaps. It's 21% 2 years ago at NT and 16% last year. Those numbers are dramatically down and coincide pretty directly with his decline in production. Last year was the worst year of his career. Even if you play him as a 1 or a 1i, he's still lining up over the center. They're usually not going to line up as a 2 in an odd front, so that's more in sub packages. He's the bottom line as I see it. Kenny Clark is not worth paying ~18M a year if you're not going to play to his strengths and they're not doing that right now. He's a nice player, not a difference maker and you should either adjust your scheme or you should look for players that fit your scheme better and go with them. I don't think it'd make a material different to Slaton if they played him at DE, but I think it does make a difference with Clark. So if you're going to stick with what you have...I think you're wasting resources on Clark and I guess they really don't have any choice but to keep him as his cap hits the next two years are kinda locked in(unless you can get a decent draft pick for him like a 3rd which is unlikely).

A half step? Wright had already beaten Clark to the spot by the time the ball was snapped. You'll see good OTs who get into their pass set and it LOOKS like they moved early, but you need to go back and look, but this was so far out of the norm, they finally called it the next time he did it. He came up, out of his stance, opened up and took a big step before the ball moved. Yeah, the best get great jumps, these were blatant false starts. I did mis-speak earlier, the one where it was really egregious was on the 2-point conversion. I get what you're saying, the best get good jumps, but this was over the top. On the All-22 it's at 59 seconds left in the 3rd, if you just have the game still on your DVR they give you an overhead view and it was bad.

Small market, limited resources. We're looking in the wrong direction to find a 3B. We've FINALLY got 3B on their way in AAA, AA, HiA. 33 year old injury prone FAs=Bad Brewers=Loaded with young talent 3B=Black, Devanney-AAA, Monasterio-MLB, Wilken-Already at AA...seems like a hit just right out of the gate(though premature). If you're going 2-3 years out, it's Boeve, Adams, Bitonti, Pratt(3B or SS), Baez, Guilarte among numerous others who could easily develop by the time those 5 years are up. So, sure, 3B has been a black hole. We've been trying to address that and it appears as though we have in recent years. We've given significant signing bonuses and used premium draft capital to try and find corner IFers. The Brewers don't have much money, they can't spend it, even if it's a former MVP who we all respect and who's a great leader(which I'll argue Willy is the ultimate leader in keeping the clubhouse loose). The three players you named are priorities...-however unlikely they may be to sign, and then I'd rate the priorities for their future resources as Chourio, Contreras(even if you trade him, a 5/50+1/2 options at ~20M would increase his value IMO) and then whoever is willing and worth it. Uribe seems like he'd be an ideal candidate, or Wiemer due to their minimal signing bonuses whereas Frelick may be less inclined to. The Brewers have their own young superstars(or players I believe will be superstars) and I think it's just much more logical to try and keep the books clean for the future in order to try and sign those players. And I hope we are a bit more aggressive in retaining our own home grown players as we have with Lucroy, Ashby, Peralta...but have been unsuccessful in doing so with Burnes, Woodruff.

That was a really surprising move IMO as well. I thought Allen looked good. He moved well, and more importantly, we now have no depth and there were times when you had 3 TEs on the field with Deguara not being one of them as he's effectively a FB at this point. 6'8, 250, he seemed rather fluid. Yeah, I agree. And I think it's pretty clear Jordan gets #45. That was his non-basketball number(and even his Basketball number for a few months).

That's obviously true, he could get hurt on any play, but you're trying to play to probabilities. We do know that the cut block contributed to the injury in this particular case as Rodgers is SO well known for spinning out, making that DE just crashing down on him and making him miss while he goes off-script and they do the whole scramble drill. It was supposed to be a quick throw, as was the first one where he got hit, but if you're cutting there and they take away that quick screen/quick hitch that Rodgers loves SO much(and he's been WILDLY successful throwing and putting a WRer one on one with a CB leading to a lot of 1st downs). You could obviously also say that having a 38 year old LT in Duane Brown, an ineffective LT last year and going into the year PLANNING on Max Mitchell and Duane Brown to be your starting tackles(with Becton then earning the job despite starting the preseason as a backup) was a giant miscalculation as well. That's a larger discussion though. We're also talking about how this injury may lead to grass fields rather than turf fields and we know it's VERY likely the injury occurs on grass as well. In the injury where Rodgers got hurt, you can point to a specific reason why he was hit. Both plays the OTs cut, the ball didn't come out quickly and Rodgers was able to elude on pass rusher and then wasn't able to elude the other.

Ok, I did acknowledge that. I said we could manage his loss(and have) because of the infrastructure he's put in place. That wasn't what I took issue with. This was; None of these make sense to me. The Mets have asked THREE times for permission to interview him over the course of multiple owners. So they waited until the first time he was literally allowed to interview. And the Mets weren't the only team interested, the Astros, the defending WS Champs and winners of 2 of the last...what, 5, they also wanted him. Does that mean he's "so great?" I think it means his reputation is pretty impressive. The "he would have taken a team that was 1 game away from the WS," it assumes this linear progression in Baseball that...you rarely see in sports, but if you do, it's usually Basketball or maybe the 90s Packers as an example. Where they take that first step, then another, then finally get to the top. There's way too much variance in Baseball and then I already addressed the COMPLETELY unforeseeable decline in performance/injuries from players. The prospect capital? He went out and traded 3 top 100 prospects to get an MVP and we had a lowly rated farm system. I had another paragraph and...I don't want to repeat what I already wrote(though Grandal, Moose, Shaw, Yelich, Cain, Aguilar, Choi, Adames, Renfroe, Navarez). You're just making these blanket statements that frankly, do not make any sense. Sogard and the other barging bin FAs who I can't recall off the top of my head, their failures doesn't exactly constitute a "bad at spending in FA." It's just the reality of a small market team with a limited budget. Now this is where you lose me again. Right before this you talk about the culture of winning, but how did we "plateau" with him, it's even a good thing he's gone. We'd plateaued with him. I don't see how we maxed out with Stearns. Changing the direction of a franchise is like turning the Titanic. It takes a long time to do it and we're just starting to see the fruits of such a course correction with all these high contact, OBP, plus athlete, plus defenders he started targeting. Those are JUST making their way really starting at the end of last year with Mitchell and we've still only gotten a fraction of that talent up. And of course that's ignoring everything he's done on the pitching side. Also, he was out in front of the shift and the impact that would have on the game. The requirement for better infield defense, speed, how much more value just athletic players would have(we've certainly got those types coming up en masse.

Agreed, this feels like a completely rhetorical question and I'm only really entertaining this for the discussion, but the chances the Brewers go after Trout and take on that 37M a year is not 0%, but it's pretty close. I approach all of these as just entertainment. Even if you could trade Yelich for Trout, I suspect the Brewers wouldn't make that trade.

I have seen the numbers by actual position...but that might have been when I still had the PFF subscription(which...I think ~200 a year, not really worth it). Slaton though, his snap count was fairly consistent all year long. He was playing ~20 snaps early in the year and then it obviously varied by game(if the other team is passing a lot or if we're in sub packages). Example, he played 19 total vs Chicago and the Rams in weeks 13/14 when we had a lead, he got 25 vs the Giants when they were running the ball more regularly in week 5. His lowest snap counts coincided with the other teams passing. Week 3 he played just 20% of the snaps because Tampa threw the ball 42 times and only ran it 12 times, once on a sneak with Brady, once on an end around. So they were in 3 WRer sets constantly, we played primarily sub packages. It's more relevant to the scheme you're playing with your DL. The DL doesn't HAVE to change their gap depending on the play call. Pettine wanted more penetration from his DL, Barry came from a scheme where that was what they played, in GB, he's playing more 2 gap and they're just shifting their DL based on the offense. Wyatt goes from a 3 to a 5 if he's on the strong side and the OLBer lines up on the outside of the TE and the NT lines up accordingly. I don't think you need to do that, especially in a 3-4 with 2 off-ball backers on the field the majority of the time. In LA, Barry played with a DL with a 0, 2 4i DEs and then two OLBers and just played it straight up and he did that his first year in GB. You let your DL try to get into the backfield and disrupt the play. I understand why when you had Lancaster, Lowry, I don't think we need to do that with our personnel. So under Barry, yes, it does matter on the play call because of the scheme up front. So I don't disagree with your premise here, but it's the coaches job to put them in the BEST situation to have success. I guess I'd agree then, he's not the pro-bowler people talk him up to be. He's never been a Chris Jones type talent. But he IS a PB caliber player when you put him in the right position. When you put Jaire last year in soft coverage and his PFF grade was 60-something through the first half of the year, was he not an elite pro-bowl caliber player that people talk him up as? I guess not really, but when you let him play to his strengths, that defense excelled. And this isn't a whole schematic shift. I actually think it fits your defense better. Wyatt is just ideally made to be a penetrating DE(for that matter, Brooks and Wooden). Slaton and Ford...they're not. They're 2 gap players. So it's just in MY opinion about tweaking the way you play them and I think Clark would play much better. There's no doubt, the best players are the ones who can adjust to any scheme. I think Nick Bosa would be fine as a 5 tech or 9 tech in a 43, JJ Watt would have excelled as a 3 tech or as a 9 like he played MOST often in Texas...Aaron Donald, doesn't matter. Clark isn't that. But few are. He'll still make some plays as a DE, in sub packages, but he's not going to dominate. Maybe I'm wrong and he's just an old 28 year old and you're seeing a similar career arc to Cobb(sans the injuries) and he's just come into the league as a 20 year old and he's wearing down. Maybe playing him fewer snaps would help as well. I'll just argue I think he made the whole defense better when he was put right in the middle of that defense, allowed to penetrate and blow the plays up. As they've moved away from that, his performance has dropped. The defense is playing well, but I think that'd be the case either way with the talent around Clark at all 3 levels.

Same here. Ok...I saw someone else say they'd learned to not comment on this guys articles, but I don't pay attention that closely. The worst articles I've seen have kinda been scattered in almost a Bleacher Report type of way with some wild speculation, but some of those people have also written great articles. Clancy for example. Some of them are a bit...ridiculous(I swear if I hear a Bobby Bonilla type deferred payment again I'll lose my mind, it's a sign he fundamentally doesn't understand that arrangement and a Stephen Strausburg type payment would make much more sense)...but not trying to throw shade his way I just think some are...unlikely like he's incentivized to see how many he can throw out. But I do remember a couple from a "Cubs fan," that seemed really out of touch with the Brewers. But I think the broader points Matt makes in his articles have been good(this one is not, it makes very little sense and I'm not following any of it).

I wasn't talking about anyone else's money, I was saying I'd rather still be carrying a mortgage(on the investment property) and have taken the extra 8K a month and put that into an investment fund that very likely(in retrospect absolutely) would have grown at a much higher rate than the interest I was paying. That's hindsight though. But I'd do that moving forward. Talking about your own home, while it's an investment, it's an entirely different mindset. I wish I'd have done things differently as this is exclusively an investment. Your home is your home. I understand why you'd want to get that paid off. Especially when you pay 70% up front. I bought my home a few years later, I just had to wait, so I may take some of that and "invest" it into a house to help my Sister out while the interest rates are so high, but if I move forward with the original agreement, I'm probably just going to put that money into a a couple different smaller investments. If I move forward with the cash offer, then I'm going to take out another mortgage and re-invest into a building with more units. I'm about 90% sure I won't be going through with the owner financing as they came back today with this...ABSURD ask in the contract that they be allowed to take a loan out on the property before paying it off. That'd mean I'm in the secondary position on the title and if they defaulted, I'd assume that risk....and obvious non-starter. So at this point, they either drop that or we go with another buyer. They led off with a request for no penalties for early payment...which obviously I'd have no problem with and then dropped that in my lap like it was a reasonable request. I don't know if they were just testing us or what, but it's just an outlandish ask. As for the capital gains, yeah, that's not gonna be fun, but how I handle that will depend on what we decide to do next and what the sale ends up being, but the 15% has already been accounted for. That is the larger part of the question, anyone have any recommendations on what they'd invest in. I like taking this out and hearing different suggestions when it comes to investments. Again, if not another property, I'm thinking ~20% to my Dad just to...do whatever he wants, 60% into a Vanguard gen fund that is relatively safe and HAS been pretty consistently seeing 7% returns and then the rest into more specific, individual companies or stocks.

No, not of Merchandising. Jersey sales and such is all put into a pot and divided equally among teams. My understanding is merchandise sold in their individual team stores and...maybe online they get a larger percentage of, but I'm not even sure about those details. That'd likely be what goes into the 48% pool that's split up; As for the sale of MLB.tv technology, that was 900M and 30M went to each individual team, but that's a one year payout that already took place and I really doubt would be factored in to a contract like Trout's even if it was 90M. It's still a one time payment. I'm not saying Philly couldn't handle it, just that the sale of his merchandise isn't going to be a factor. Ticket sales, TV rights when they renegotiate them, I'm sure those would go up if he went back to Philly. But that contract and the luxury tax payments aren't going to be covered by the merchandising. https://ballarelife.com/do-mlb-players-get-paid-for-jersey-sales/

I think you're WILDLY understating what he did for the the Brewers and how he rebuilt this entire organizations philosophy. From Latin America to developing pitching to even being aggressive. The "unspent prospect capital." Who? My biggest problem with any specific move he made was trading Reece Olson for Norris, but lets not act like we had this just elite farm system that we could have used to go get star players until THIS YEAR. And those players were the result of Stearns and the scouting and development programs that started under his watch. So guys like Ashby, Wiemer, Turang, Mitchell, I guess Frelick the last 2 years. Is he replaceable? Yeah, sure, because the infrastructure is still there and the philosophy. But blaming him for not being able to take the '19 Brewers team and take another step, do we forget what happened? Our all world MVP Christian Yelich got hurt and Corbin Burnes had one of the worst years by a starting pitcher, in a long time and we STILL made a Sept push. That team that we played, they also saw their MVP fall off a cliff and had pitchers just collapse or have unexpected incidents come up in Bellinger, Bauer and plenty of others. They also spent another 160M dollars and were able to go out and get a guy like Betts and trade for Trea Turner and Max Scherzer and whoever the hell else they want. I'm not crying over the loss of Stearns, but again, it's because we have Arnold and a whlole system in place. He's set us up for future success and Arnold has proven he's capable of taking over. I'm a little worried that he could poach personnel that's important, but everyone's poached the Rays and they're still consistently churning out elite prospects and competitive teams, so there's no reason the Brewers can't.

I'd guess you'd move him to LF, have him DH as often as possible and when he is in the OF, you have one of the young CFers out there? And then on top of that, I guess you tell him to just ease up a bit on the bases as the Yanks have done with Stanton. There are things I'd imagine he'd be able to do that sounds kinda overly simple, but maybe ALWAYS being such a great athlete, he hasn't felt the need to stretch or do yoga or take those extra precautions that you see a guy like LeBron or others take. I feel like his injuries are a little bit...not exaggerated as he's clearly missed time, that's easy to quantify, but not necessarily predictive of the future. He missed 139 games on a bad calf strain that can lead to an Achilles injury. We just saw Rodgers injury and there was a Dr on Twitter talking about how a weakened calf can lead to a higher potential for calf strains, but even when KD hurt his, it was coming off a calf injury. So that was most of '21. Then this year he gets hit with a pitch and breaks his hamate bone. That's just a brutal injury for a hitter to overcome. That's the overwhelming number of games he's missed from those two injuries. He's also 32 and despite his greatness, if I was actually running a team(particularly one in which he's going to account for at least 20% of the payroll) I wouldn't go with my "feeling" on that and I don't see any reasonable scenario in which the Brewers trade for him. The Angels HAVE to know Ohtani is not coming back at this point to even start talking about something this stupid, right? Are they just this poorly run? Leaking for no discernible reason other than covering their rear that they offered Ohtani an MRI on his elbow and he declined and now with Ohtani coming into FA and them desperate to retain him just casually throwing it out there, "hey, we'll trade the most accomplished player still playing if asks us." Everything we hear as Packers fans about only winning two SBs with two HOF QBs, that organization has somehow failed to make the playoffs but once in a decade despite having the modern day Mickey Mantle and Babe Ruth on their club. So I get wanting to tear it all down, but why show your hand in early Sept? Are they hiring Rockies executives now or what?

You can go by just pure snap count at a position and I'm sure we could find that if we both tried, but even that can be a bit of a vague grouping. JJ Watt for example, he was playing in a 3-4 and he would line up as a wide 9. So he's coming off the edge a majority of the time(which is extremely rare in the 34, but just an example). But I'm talking about in the base defense, lining up as a 0 tech. Head up over the Center. I'm going off memory here as I can't find the exact number right now, but it was a very small number of snaps as a true NT. I think it was 16% as a NT and even among those, they were primarily as a 2i so inside the Guard's shoulder between the Guard and Center. I think it was 55 snaps he played as a true 0 tech and that's where he's always been at his best. Every year of his career a breakdown of snaps by position will have him playing DE primarily, so even the his best years he was lining up at DE more because he's always been our best pass rusher for a DL. I just want to see him back playing heads up over the center where he can blow the plays up. A guy like Myers is too slow for him, guys like Whitehair or Bradbury are to small for him and with his head RIGHT over the Football, he was firing off the line and just wrecking plays.

Too soon? I don't know...there are a LOT of Packers fans really up on their soap box yelling...into the void at Packers fans who are disappointed because they won't be getting a 1st round pick now because "a mans health is at stake!" Not for me. It sucks and it's sad for him and I certainly wasn't rooting for it, but I have a little trouble mustering the emotional response(again, back to Twitter, I saw grown men talking about how they couldn't talk about it without tearing up!) others have. He's not the only guy to tear his Achilles that DAY! So I thought it was funny. As for the Vikes OL, I guess I didn't realize how bad it was. I knew they had two really good OTs in O'Neil and Darrisaw. I thought Bradburry was alright and then seemed like Ingram and their other guard...he was a 2nd rd pick 2-3 years ago. I thought they'd finally built him a decent OL. My heart breaks for the Vikings to find out they can't hold up!😏

Of course he is, but on this one, I tend to believe the tweet, that he had expressed SOME level of concern. A huge part of his career has been built on off-script plays. When you're cutting like that, you're just trying to get the DE's arms down so they can't knock down the pass. I guess my question would be, if this was a concern, why were they still doing it? The OC is Hackett. It's not like Rodgers is going to have an issue with running the plays the way he wants it run. But it's also something you didn't see in the Packers offenses. Last year when we had two plays from the Giants 2 yardline, you didn't see the OTs cutting the DEs on those quick passes. It's all kinda moot now, but after he gets hit on the first pass attempt, probably not a great idea to ask your 38 year old LT to come back to it right away.

I didn't see the Vikings game, but if the Tampa front was abusing the Vikings OL...yeah, Philly is going to just tee-off on them. Jevon Carter looks like a superstar, but they've got speed on the edges and Jordan Davis, Cox is still a nice rotational player. Philly is the blueprint that smart teams are following. They control both sides of the LOS. We saw how much easier that makes the game for Love and how it makes it impossible for Fields. Cousins could definitely be in for a blood bath!

Ok...I was making a point how easily they can create a massive amount of cap space while doing the bare minimum. By taking base salaries and converting them into bonuses and cutting an older, overpaid MLBer. They don't HAVE to do any of that. I was showing you how clean their cap is and how Rodgers injury, while it crushes their short term chances of winning, it isn't devastating for them long term. Worst case scenario, they've got a big cap hit in 2 years(After this one)for Rodgers that they probably split up over 2 years with a void year. That's before Gardner, Wilson and their young players really start getting expensive. I also wouldn't say Rodgers is carrying a huge contract. It's a 3 year 75M dollar deal. Burrows just signed a 5 year 275M deal(which means Herbert probably gets 5 years 280M and then Mahomes restructures and he gets more money). Obviously Rodgers injury is devastating for the Jets. That much moreso if he doesn't come back from the Achilles as he has said he plans on doing...but their cap is still very healthy.

Yeah...I'd say Willy has actually been the "straw that stirs the drink," in the past, but you're right. This year it's definitely a collective team issue. I think it's other players taking the pressure off Willy that has helped. Just spreading the weight around has been huge.

I don't think the Phillies would see a whole lot of money from merchandising. The revenue is divided among the teams with the team keeping more or maybe even all of what is sold IN stadium, but my understanding is that all officially licensed merchandise is equally distributed among teams. I'm sure Trout coming back to Philly would drive a ton of excitement, but I don't know that his merchandising would make much of a dent into his remaining money on the books.

I agree with all of this. The separation, the stupid cards...but they did the same with Mahomes, Lawrence, Watson(I think Clemson did that). Rodgers Tedford system hurt him. It's up to the coaches to develop them in the NFL. I would be confident if we'd have gotten Justin Fields as a rookie and he'd have sat and learned with Tom Clements...I think he'd be a really nice NFL QB. The Bears have done their best to ruin him and far as I can tell, little to help him. Just that Browns game the first year, he got abused so badly, that's awful for a rookie QB. I'll reiterate, I just hope they give Fields one more year before trying to move on because I do not want to see Caleb Williams in the NFCN! Edit-But you're right, the gimmicky offenses don't help nearly as much as playing in a pro-style offense.

I wonder why this isn't a HUGE talking point now? And I get Rodgers position on this one. Even if he got...a bit tiresome with some of his stuff, I think they should have(and did) value his intake on what he was comfortable with. Two plays, two times they tried to cut and two times he was hit. 4 snaps and his career may be over and the Packers lose a 1st(which I've been told is just unacceptable to talk about because he's injured, but that was always going to be the case. If he stayed healthy, he'd have gotten to 65%).