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I really don't see a reason to take Miz out. He's dealing. He's gonna be burned for tomorrow and I wouldn't really trust him on another night. It's kinda all or nothing with him. But when he's got that release point, he's unhittable. You have a LITTLE margin for error. Not much, but... maybe we'll add an insurance run or two here.

No, THAT Frelick catch was perfect! (They were both perfect).

I'm sticking with Mis until he walks someone else... unless it's with 2 outs, then I'd give him a walk and another hitter. If he gets on a roll... that's MASSIVE.

LOL!!! DAMN RIGHT!

That kinda makes it sound as if he's going to be a LF in the AZFL and then they'll gauge his positional versatility moving forward, but with who we have ahead of him in the OF... my takeaway from that is he's going to be a utility player. A guy who can play SS/LF... presumably RF and I wouldn't be surprised if he plays some SS/3B if there's a chance to get him some reps there in the future. Clearly neither are his future position, but he could really be a super-utility player for us. This team is going to have SO much talent coming up the next 2-3 years. OF-Chourio, Perkins, Frelick, Collins(A ROY candidate who is behind 3 OFers on the roster who are better players and have at least 4 years of team control left). Prospects= Pena(potential CFer with his 70 speed and Turang at 2B), Payne(1 year at A+, AA, AAA), Black-Don't think he'll be around, but he can play LF, Luis Lara-another elite defender and a guy who should hit for a high average, steal bases... though limited SLG). 1B/3B-Durbin is pretty much it looking down the road. Prospects 3B-Fischer, Boeve, Wilkin, Adams, Made(?) 1B-Burke, Bitonti, Black...the 4 players from above SS-Ortiz(I believe he'll settle in more as a .730-.750 type hitter with a plus glove, but that it also won't matter). Pratt, Made, Pena 2B-Turang Again, a lot of repeats here, but Pena, Made seem like the most obvious C-Contreras will be gone, so...in so much as there is a "need" it's here Prospects- Quero's got the floor of a very good defensive C who carries a ~680 OPS, upside is GG catcher and a .780 OPS with ~15 HRs and 25 2B. Dinges-Elite arm, great bat. I think this most likely ends up as a good balance for Quero DH-Yelich And then... we need 3 of the 1B/3B to hit or Dinges could be among them. Hopefully it'll be Burke as he just looks like an outstanding pure hitter but a pretty questionable fielder. Also, a nice LHed bat. Adams is pretty athletic, but so is Yelich Utility-Adamczewski-2B/LF/DH and if everyone else is lining up or at least every other position(we all know there will be several guys who flame out) but I think based on how he's played 2B, he could be a... passable 3B/SS in a utility role. It's already a little off-topic for just the AZFL or Adamczewski, but looking at this collection of talent that a lot of fans who aren't on sites like this or nerding out on prospects, it's why they didn't care about what the cost was, they just wanted to get Suarez, but this is like the '82 team, but you've got Yount, Molitor and... Cooper all on their way up or just starting rather than in their prime. A 2028 lineup *COULD* look like (lefties in italics, Switch Hitters underlined) 1-CF Luis Pena 2-2B Turang 3-LF Chourio 4-3B Made 5-DH-Yelich 6-1B-Fischer 7-SS Pratt 8-RF Frelick 9-C Quero Bench-Durbin 3B/2B, Adamczewski 2B/OF/3B/SS, Adams-1B/3B/LF, Burke 1B/DH, Collins 2B/LF/RF, Lara-CF, Perkins CF... and Joey Ortiz if he's still around, 3B, SS, 2B. Clearly we're not going to have 15 position players, and guys like Perkins will likely be dealt or non-tendered by now as Lara should be able to provide everything he does but cheaper. I think Pena, Turang, Chourio, Made, Pratt, Frelick could be GG caliber defenders. Turang, Pratt 15-20 HRs, Chourio, Made, Fischer 25-40(or more for Chourio) .280+ hitters 1-4, Fischer, Frelick And you're REALLY protected against injury with all the versatility not just in terms of finding a capable hitter, but in the field. Pratt struggles, you have Made to slide over and several 3B options... like Durbin. Turang gets banged up, Pena plays 2B...or Adamczewski and Lara plays CF or Chourio plays CF and you have several guys who can play LF... like Adamczewski. The Golden Age of Milwaukee Baseball. Brewers get their first in franchise History this year and then in the next couple years, they won't be able to say they're a team of "every day Joes." It's a Jesus Made type team!

I really thought they should have gotten Uribe in Gm1. He's the type of guy who is so emotional... in the best way, but I would have liked his first outing to be in a 6 run game. Megill... I was encouraged by his outing on the last day, but I'm still nervous about him. He's also an emotional guy, but he seems a bit more mature. I trust him in a high leverage spot without getting an inning, it's just the elbow.

What clip? This presumably from today just doing some work? I pulled mine good once in College just screwing around before the season started playing intramural flag Football and my entire leg was black and blue. Treatment 3X a day, rest, rehab, stretching, treatment, stretching... and then as soon as it felt good again... it'd go. So I guess you must just get really good at feeling when it's tight and you have a very minor pull, but he looked good hauling down to 1B and he didn't grab it or anything(that was another thing, I felt like I'd been shot in the leg and went down). Vs a lefty, really hope he's good! He's one of the guys who can hit a pitchers best pitches. Those guys are rare. Most guys on this team hit mistakes... and that's the case with most good hitters. Chourio, when he's locked in, he can rifle it to RF, he can drill it to CF, he can hit it anywhere.

I'd like this even more if we had Hall on the roster... but I'm still good with it. What is up with Hall though? He was supposed to be ahead of a couple of the injured pitchers and they were going to see where Henderson and Hall were at, but... I never really heard an update.

We've got one of those in my pools as well. It's really annoying. It's a 3 week cutoff... which is SO stupid. Someone else took it over a few years ago and last year they came up with this idea. The first 3 weeks in the past have been when MOST people go out. People who pick the Ravens or whichever team. We've done a 2nd pool in the past. you can do another one that starts week 7 or so(it was usually over by then). But wild, ridiculous games like this are usually how people go out. I try and stay away from; -Division Rivals playing on the road -Bad teams, but teams with elite defensive lines... like the Browns, Giants, Jets(not so much this year, but when they had a better edge). But there are crazy games like this one where the Titans just had no business winning. Couple years ago there was one where Justin Tucker hit a 66 yard FG as time expired vs the Lions. That would have knocked out over half the pool.

Well... I don't really care, but I never said you were. I'm pretty skeptical you're a Packers fan. Even when they win(like Detroit) I remember you talking about how they'd blow it, they'd gas, how bad Nixon was(worst player on the defense), LVN in, Parsons wasn't doing anything... LaFleur is the worst coach in the league. Not sure what you're watching if you think the Packers are finishing behind the Bears and the Vikings, but... we'll see.... again.

I didn't say you could lock the game down after 9-12 outs, I'm saying I don't want to take him out of the game early so he's available in Gm3. I don't want to go into the game with the plan that no matter how good he's throwing, you're taking him out so he can throw Gm3.

I have a feeling Jackson will not be communicating any discomfort with them. Not saying that's a good thing or not, but... just my guess. If he plays, I hope his base running is limited to nice... easy base running. A light jog a time or two around the bases.

Yeah, I don't really like it if that's the plan going into the game. I'd rather use Koenig then. You're burning your best lefty and one your best multi-inning reliever. There's some gamesmanship that comes with staters(at least in recent Brewers history)... but being too rigid, if Ashby is throwing really well, still taking him out after the first or 2nd in the most extreme case, I'd just go with Koenig. And I don't need him available in Gm3 as much as I need the Brewers to really put their figurative food on the Cubs figurative throats in Gm2. Lets say he's gets through 2 innings and he's just dealing. Why not put him back out there? I hope it's at least a discussion as that means Ashby's throwing well.

Well, what I was saying was just going with a BP game for Gm2 if Ashby goes deep enough. If he just comes out and goes 1-2-3 in the first and his pitch count stays reasonable... ride it.

I hear you guys, but the way Ashby has been throwing... and the time off during the series, I'd be looking for more than just 3 outs from him. Or at least I wouldn't have a set number. Ashby has overpowering stuff and that breaking ball can get a lot of swings and misses. I'd ride him until he got into trouble or for 3...even 4 innings. Let him empty the tank. The only real reason not to is because you'd want him to throw in Gm3, but... I'd prefer to just lock this one down.

I don't hate this in theory... but I'm also not a huge fan. So you get a few innings, 3 MAYBE where you negate their LHed bats(hopefully). Then you're coming back with Priester for the next 3-4? Or is it just going by feel? Priester may or may not pitch? If Ashby is really dealing, you get through 3, do you just go a full on BP game? Patrick for an inning or 3(he has been pretty good as of late). Mears, Uribe, Koenig and then Megill? Hell, hopefully Misiorowski pitches with a healthy lead, but still an odd decision IMO.

That's a brutal way to go out. The pick, fumble that turns into a TD.... Well... Christmas would be during Week 17, so that's... not really a huge statement. And no, the Packers are not going to finish last in the division. The bandwagon empties early, but people sure jump back on quickly.

I'd certainly prefer facing the Phils with Devin Williams vs Duran. Though... after watching Abel pitch for the Twins, I'm also glad he's out of Philly. I also thought it was more Alec Bohm vs Bryson Stott that we were looking at from the Phillies. He was the guy who was a perfect fit. Just slide him in at 3rd. That was when the Phills were looking at Bergman.

Well... you're asking in hindsight. So don't you need to kinda look at the value at the time? Made really blew up this year, but last year he was a kid who hadn't played full season ball yet. But I agree, he kinda showed enough that he was almost untouchable. Misiorowski was(and still is) a guy you aren't sure if he's a starter or a reliever. I think he's pretty clearly a starter given how he could maintain his velo late into games and the 4 pitch mix, but there's still questions and Crochet is Wichrowski had probably minimal value last year. Less than Carlos Rodriguez... Black also had more value. Especially to a team like the White Sox(I'd think) as a 3rd piece. Neither of those guys are worth more than just throw ins on a deal now(Carlos Rodriguez may not even be worth a 40 man roster spot). I don't know man, again, good question, but so hard to answer. Some teams look for specific players and I feel like some teams(Rockies, White Sox) are probably closer to how we're looking at it by top 100 rankings.

Yeah, hell, with hindsight, I'd have gone after him much more aggressively. I don't know if he would have been willing to sign the extension here(which I'd have been pretty skeptical at that time). But seeing what he's done this year? And he doesn't turn 27 until June 21st next year. So if you could get him to sign for 6/150... which I think with the benefit of hindsight, we'd be willing to do(or at least I'd certainly hope we'd be willing to do as Mark A constantly says we CAN spend more if the right player is available)... then I'd have been willing to go Pratt... the package we gave up for Priester(Which was pretty valuable). And then it comes down to what else would you add. Logan Henderson? If they really wanted Misiorowski, I'd have done that, but not a ton more. Mis+Yophery Rodriguez, Black+comp pick+Carlos Rodriguez. Black and Rodriguez had more value last year and were both guys who could immediately contribute. I still think Black will be a solid regular for a team like the White Sox or a nice backup for a team like us. Hell, with the benefit of hindsight, I'd have taken him in the 2nd rd over Max Lazar in 2017! Then we could have him and change nothing... I'd be a REALLY good GM with that benefit! I'd still be a bit worried with the way his usage just shot up last year and then to over 200 IP this year. So check back in a year. Good chance he's either established himself as a top 2-3 pitcher in all of Baseball in a year and if not, he's probably hurt. This is an interesting question as he would change this team enough that it's worth giving up a lot to get him... but then you're also giving up a lot for the future. But the way he held up in the regular season, the way he threw vs the Yankees in the playoffs... it'd be worth it to give up a lot for him.

Yeah, but that's not even the argument that's being made as I see it. It seems to just be that... the World Series is a greater accomplishment than being the best in the regular season... and it is. It's not about having a 10 year run in which you're in the playoffs 9 of the 10 years(hypothetically)... it's a totally different argument about what's more important, an argument I don't think I've EVER seen one person make. EVERYONE would take a World Series over the best record in the regular season. The people who'd take ONE World Series like the Marlins who were mentioned and then 9 years of 60-80 wins are far more split. It's generally the more... casual fan,.. which I don't say with any judgement, but the fans who don't really know who Jesus Made is or who don't schedule many of their nights around the Brewers games like a LOT of us on here do. Most people on this forum would prefer being good year in and year out, but THAT is an argument you can have. The article is creating a whole different argument and starting it with the "reality check," which... kinda feels like we're being talked down to a bit as if this needs to be explained...which I'm sure wasn't the intent, but if you came back with "reality check, no kidding the World Series is more important than the best record in Baseball," or no ___ they don't hang banners for "best record" like they do for an NL Pennant and a World Series Title, that would be... kinda condescending. I'm pretty sure fans would be fine with 88 wins, the last WC spot and then winning the WS as several teams have done. To have the worst record in the regular season among playoff teams and then win the NL as the Braves(WS), Phillies and D-Backs have had...

I'm sorry, but who needed this "reality check?" Who needed to hear that the playoffs are more important than the regular season? That winning a WS is more important than having the best record? EVERYONE sees the World Series as the "real crown," that's... not really disputed. They do talk about how the Brewers had the best record in '82, but more as an aside... during the regular season. Not really. 162 games vs a 5 game or a 7 game series isn't really the same... especially since there has been a balanced schedule. Injuries or being hot or cold... that balances out over 162 games. It usually doesn't when talking about who is the first to win 3 or 4 games in a series.

It's not like it's just been one game, but... alright.

They just quit with ~3 minutes left in the game and 3 TOs left. It's embarrassing. It was a 2 TD game... so they're PROBABLY not coming back or stopping Michigan, but it's not real helpful when your coach is just checked out. We're sinking to a depth that's... going to be VERY difficult to recover from and it's going to take a long time to rebuild from. The 10-3, 9-4 type seasons that weren't good enough seem a LOOONG way away right now.

Sure, it's "purely subjective," to point out that Wisconsin still being in one of the two relevant conferences... which comes with significantly more resources and exposure is a selling point... You ignored all the things like... financial resources and I said how far you could go back. To Gundy's era or to 2000, 1990. The last 10 years takes the worst 5 year stretch we've had since '93 to create the strongest argument for Okie State. But if we're just going to ignore like 75% of the argument and then sure, the "objective" part is Oklahoma State is a better program....