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Coooper in there... blowing it up. Big play coming up on 3rd down here...

That's such a... stupid call. Grown men playing this physically and THAT is what you're going to have change a series?

Yeah... he is slippery though. Cooper just went flying by him on a run blitz. Gotta bow up here against the run here.

1 play and he made an impact and he beat their All Pro. Goff has not been good moving... and the years he hasn't had McVay or Ben Johnson, he has struggled.

Yeah, they also had a really good front 7. But gonna have to keep going back to the run and hope you can break through and wear them down.

Well inactives for the game are; Green Bay Packers 21 CB Nate Hobbs 39 S Zayne Anderson 67 OL Donovan Jennings 89 TE Ben Sims 91 DL Warren Brinson 99 DL Barryn Sorrell And for the Lions; Detroit Lions 12 S Thomas Harper 33 RB Sione Vaki 53 LB Trevor Nowaske 90 DL Chris Smith 94 DL Medhi Wingo 99 Edge Tyrus Wheat So No Hobbs, but Parsons and the WRing core is good to go. Can we start fast this year and avoid the week one sloppiness? Can we stop the run, how much does Micah play today?

And a 2.6 Fwar player driven largely by his defense as he had a .665 OPS. That's not the type of player who is going to get a "huge" payday. Yeah, it's definitely something. Especially for a player who has hit 1/3rd if the HRs he's hit in his entire career in ONE month. But ok. I'm very high on Turang. I'm not that confident he's a going to become a regular power hitter and if he wants that huge contract you're talking about, he'll probably need to marry the defense and the offense. Otherwise, he's... kinda a lesser version of Ketel Marte... which is a GREAT player he just signed an extension for money that was "nothing" for a player as talented as him. I don't think anyone's inferred they'd ALL be coming at the same time. I'm pretty sure most would expect Pratt to be here before...Adamczewski and Made before Payne and Burke and, Fischer before Pena.

Yeah, I hear ya. We can get pretty tribal on this board and there are "consensus" opinions and... at times you find yourself going against them and it can be frustrating. BUT... we didn't know last year would be Uecker's last. Maybe we do things differently. Maybe it doesn't matter. I mean, I know Williams blew it, but maybe we're up a couple more runs. I don't know. Just my personal opinion, I think the BEST years, the MOST talented Brewers team we may EVER see... will be the 2028, 2029, 2030 Brewers teams. Chourio should be a prime MVP candidate, we have two kids who are 18-19 who are crushing it in HiA... which doesn't mean much for a College prospect(though Fischer and Dinges look good as well) but it means whole lot for teenage LA or Prep hitters. So I really don't look at this season as like... that one best, last chance. But I get the motivation. We ALL want to see the Brewers win. That should be what unites us above all else. This isn't Twitter where people casually watch the Brewers and we start threads saying Murphy is a moron for throwing Koenig.

I actually thought he'd looked pretty good when given snaps, but... he's not a good fit. I thought he was more of a hybrid DT/DE when they drafted him, but he got some pressure and looked alright... But, I'm also probably a bit more... patient when it comes to young players. I hope for them to produce the first couple years, but until yr 3, I don't really expect mid to late rd picks to be regulars. ANYWAY.... we may have some issues against the run, I don't know, but what I do know is that in talking about the Eagles-Cowboys game, there was some discussion if Parsons would have made the difference. 2 stats stood out. 1-When Kenny Clark was in, Philly averaged like 2.6 YPC. When he was out, it was 6.6 2-In Micah Parsons entire career, 4 times has a QB run for 100 yards. He's not great vs the run(though he isn't bad, that's a myth that needs to die, he's just not nearly as good vs the run as he is vs the pass...so when he grades out similar to other elite edges, it's because his pass rush is that much better than almost everyone's)... Anyway, with his 4.39 40 speed and the way he goes after the QB, they do not scramble vs him like they do vs other edges. The way he can bend and keep his feet, it makes his 4.39 look a LOT-LOT faster than LVN or Gary's 4.58 40. The agility to stop rushing up field and pursue the QB is impressive(which most of us I'm sure assumed, but the highlight package they put together for this made it look that much better).

Sure, but... Adebo was also a nearly ideal fit for the scheme Hafley has talked about, he's been an outside CB in his career. He's had primarily one injury and by all accounts, he's come all the way back from that and... he led the league in passes defended when he got hurt last year and he was...at least graded as a Jaire type CB the year before as well as a top 100 player in Football going into '24. You're also right. These contracts are getting crazy. They signed Brett Favre ~25 years ago to a massive record setting contract. One that was 10 years 100M. They just signed an above average Guard to a 4/77M deal. So we've got to adjust to the contracts. But that makes Adebo's look better to me, not worse. We're going to have eaten probably 200M in dead cap in the last 4 seasons. 35M? And it'd be 13M in dead cap next year and 5M 2 years in. So fairly low risk relatively speaking. Reed, Ward, Davis, Murphy were all CBs who fit with the Packers better than... at least at the time it looked like Hobbs fit. That and we passed on some really good young CBs. Amos, Thomas, Nohl Williams... Conversely, Morrison and Revel... they haven't done much. And all of this is the pre-season(Morrison was picked ahead of us anyway, so it's like arguing about Terion Arnold). Finally-Will Johnson was as close to the Quinyon Mitchell the year prior. Johnson was a protected top 5 pick and has been one of the best rookies thus far. THAT would have been a HR swing and it would have required a trade up...and they've traded up before. But he also had injury concerns. But he's a prototype for what Hafley wants. That said, Hobbs is a physical player. Bullard is very good vs the run. Nixon, good vs the run. Williams, McKinney...and they can play zone. Get after the QB with 4 and you have a 5th in Cooper that's one of the best rushing the passer. On top of that, Gute seemed determined to upgrade the edge position... which I hoped they'd do with maybe Crosby... MAYBE Garrett(though less confident in a couple 1sts+ for a guy closer to 30) and not a fan of the Hendrickson idea as he was 31 and Parsons really never seemed real. But if you look at the off-season in that context, everything but letting Slaton leave makes a LOT more sense. CBs are as reliant on the pass rush as a RB/QB is on the OL, a WR on the QB. So in that context, Hobbs, Bullard, Nixon, Valentine, it makes more sense; Gute Feb 2nd; And then Feb 25th at the combine; So... again, it seems like they went into the off-season with a plan to address the OL, I'm assuming, given how the Alexander thing played out, they wanted to keep Jaire, but... likely didn't want to pay him more than 8M and per Jaire's Dad, none of that money was GTD(to be taken with a grain of salt) but they were also fine building a team that had a front 7 that could get after the QB and use their CBs to play more physically and play against the run.

They still have 9 top 100 prospects and a bright future. I don't love how we all go at a guy like @greenlawlerfor wanting to add... when his take was pretty reasonable IMO. Didn't agree, but reasonable and understandable. It WAS a pretty reasonable argument to make to want Suarez to play 3B or Naylor as a LHed 1B option... until Vaughn came on. Someone even said Andujar. I didn't think that was a good idea. He's been awesome. Hindsight makes this easy. We probably should have gone after a high leverage reliever. I said that thinking we could move guys down a slot(and I didn't think we'd replace Megill). So am I right or have circumstances that I couldn't have predicted made me right(it's the latter). Suarez could have stayed hot and the Mariners could have won 2-3 games because of him. My point is... you don't know how it'll work until after and that still doesn't make your rationale right or wrong. Hell, I didn't like a trade they made. I still trust the FO, just... didn't like it. My ENTIRE opinion about the trade deadline lines up pretty closely with the playoffs. You're not betting solely on luck, but it does a lot of the heavy lifting. Guys get hot(Miguel Andujar) or guys slump(Suarez)... same as a playoff series can be lost by the better team and hinge on a few at bats or bounces. The Brewers probably win that Arizona series a few years back if just 2-3 balls for us that were hit hard with men on base found the OF grass and a few of the balls AZ hit that were bloopers didn't. So if you're going to make a trade, make one that gives you a few years, a few shots. Hell, I'm probably THE Brewers fan who thought we should have traded for Greinke over CC back in the day. 2.5 years vs half a year of CC(and then the Royals extended Greinke, buying out 2 more years of FA right after that 2008 season). So it's hard for me to fault the Mariners... as you point out, they look great on paper and again, still have 9 top 100. You never know who is going to be that Carlos Beltran or Cespedes type player as a rental. Hell, there's another team in Wisconsin right now that's pretty giddy they just gave up a VERY valuable package of future assets in what looks like they'll be two extraordinary drafts for the right to pay a player a whole lot of money, not too dissimilar from what the Cubs did. I imagine if we'd traded... say Ortiz, maybe Quero and then a lower level reliever for Kyle Tucker, we would view this year a bit differently(difference being the Cubs did not extend Tucker and I don't think they will, but he'd look great in RF with Frelick in CF). So I don't know, I was good with what we did, I get the take that we should have done more and I don't anyone's really been proven right or wrong, it's just... baseball. Part of the fun is in the discussion around the moves.

I wanted them to go get a guy like Duran or... there were a few rumored to be available... but when you see Mason Miller cost De Vries... nah. Made and Chourio may be the Young and Molitor in 2027, '28. The other two relievers from the Twins were also guys I liked...and I know Jax has struggled(still think he can get it together) but I don't think they've been great. NOW looking at it, I'd have given up Henderson for a pitching upgrade. At the time I thought he would be one of the pitching upgrades. But I'm a month ahead of you in time.

It's the Brewers. They're going this heavy on pitching... they'll definitely find a couple. He was just listing the guys 3-4 years away and not even touching on some of the high upside arms we just took in this draft... Plus, we've got several guys who have high upsides who'll be pitching in Carolina next year(or AZ). Flores has high upside. Them loading their draft classes with prep arms the last couple years plus the guys in their system now PLUS they have Mis, Henderson, Gasser, Ashby, Myers, Patrick, Priester... they have the luxury of not NEEDING anyone to really be ready in the near future. 2 years ago we wouldn't have been counting on at least the last 3 of those guys.

I think October is actually... one of the better months. August is one of the worst and Sept is the worst. But I'd agree with Nate. Just keep buying. If you're in long-term, you'll be good. I am selling AMD, but... I'll just put more into TSM and GOOGL(which I still think is undervalued). I also feel like I should buy PLTR, but... I can't help but feel like there's going to be a chance to add some lower. And I keep saying that and I haven't found a price that I want to add at(since April and I didn't buy in April).

As big a Turang fan as I am, right now this past August is doing a LOT of the Heavy Lifting for his career outlook moving forward. You'd have to really be of the belief he's closer to that guy than he has been most of the rest of his career... which is an elite defender at 2nd with a ~.680 OPS. I think he is... I don't know that it'd be smart for Turang to turn down 9 figures. I think he's going to be a more reliable offensive threat, but we'll see. Hard to know if the Brewers would even offer it...

That has been an ACTUAL argument. MLB wants the Brewers to win because it's better for them financially. This was during the meltdown by Cubs fans when the Cubs were playing... mostly decent, but we were on that insane run. 26 of 30. We had a 15 game swing on the Cubs and during that period, they were the 2nd best team in the NL. But yeah... it was obviously because MLB does BEST... not when it's the Cubs and say Red Sox or Yankees-Dodgers, but... the big market Brewers!

+6 on the Cubs... though, they own the Tie-Breaker... BUT winning 1 of 2 from Philly was huge. We have the Tie-Breaker there and the Dodgers are 8.5 back. So more like 5.5 and 9.5 with the Tie-breaker. If we get everyone back from injury, we'll be good. If now, it's gonna be a rough road. Yelich and Megill are really the main 2, but Mears, Hall, they're huge. Henderson is pretty much shut down, right? Biggest race is the healing properties of some of our pitchers. I think Koenig is also owed a bit of an apology... though perhaps not on here. He was getting trashed on other sites.

I love the Brewers and... I guess it really doesn't matter, but I don't trust their injury "optimism." The Back injury was supposed to be about as minor a back surgery as you could get. Shaving down a disk so you don't have back spasms. But... now here we are again. On the one hand, I kinda wanted them to put guys on the DL and be in this position. Misiorowski was one and a...shin contusion is fine. But it doesn't feel like most of these are 'we're just gonna give these guys a break because it's a long year,'- type injuries. We need a healthy Megill, Uribe, Mears, Koenig, Ashby, Hall. Anything from Anderson or anyone else is a bonus. Our lineup, we REALLY need Chourio, Yelich, Frelick, Turang, Contreras. Vaughn, Ortiz, Durbin and presumably Perkins just need to do their jobs of playing defense and having good ABs, nothing special.... beyond being there and healthy.

It took me about 3 weeks of good contact to believe we might have something. Then he slumped... but then he started walking and hitting the ball hard again. Last night it paid off, but I'm actually starting to think he's a.... good player. I do also like Hoskins and I would feel good about having him come in and pinch hit in a playoff game in which you need a runner/HR. I mean, as much as anyone else.

I have been saying... for YEARS that Turang reminded me of a LHed Trea Turner minus 20 slug 20+ points less, BUT that he'd be a better defender. I'm wondering if I even need to qualify it anymore! I mean, he's put up 11.5 WAR in his first 3 years, .800 OPS, he looked SO bad at the plate as a rookie, then he started out well last year and last summer he went back to this hyper defensive swing. Now it's just a smooth, easy stroke that generates a lot of pop and it's all because of his vision at the plate. 7/100...WITH one more caveat which would be an option. A big one, but a 25M option and he can earn 250K for 150 Games, ASG, GG, Reasons I'd be hesitant to do this deal; 1-Jesus Made 2-Luis Pena 3-Cooper Pratt 4-Josh Adamzcewski 5-Wilken/Fischer/Adams/ and the most criminally underrated man in the Brewers farm system, Blake Burke But, Made could play 3B. Switch hitter with Chourio upside but a capable SS. Pratt-He seems to be a better SS..as of now. Pena-CF with 70 speed and a 60 hit tool? Adamczewski could be a super utility. LF/2B, some SS, You'd still have 3 SS at 3B/2B/SS, so he would get ABs. And then I named many of the 1B/3B prospects and we have a ton...I think Burke forces his way to Milwaukee, Fischer not long after, Adams and Wilken are there. But we have such a great finish to this season and then next year... that's for 2027.. Long way of saying, I love the idea, I'd do it.. you could figure it out... as long as we don't get too many more elite SS prospects popping up. We know what a burden that can be!

I can't imagine they knew Stokes would sign for so little. I'm also not sure if you're right about Hobbs, but at least with Parsons, Hobbs makes more sense than before. He is physical, doesn't have to cover as long... and they can also get out of the Hobbs deal pretty quickly. He'll be 26, they cut him, they save a little vs the cap. 2 years in, they only owe 8M dead cap and save over 6. A 13M dead cap is becoming less and less significant with the cap if he can't stay on the field, but for now, Parsons makes it a better signing.

It seems like it's more the position coaches and how forthright they are. Butkus came right out and spoke about concerns about depth(Though he did seem like he was high on Monk). Hafley just seems generally positive and a lot of the talk about how Melton has taken to CB. That's been a success. We'll see if it's a success relative to what you'd expect or if it's just an actual success as in Melton is a competitive CB, we'll see. Covington.... I haven't heard what he's had to say, but seems unlikely he'd feel great about their current situation. At least, for the time being, OL would be 6 deep. Walker/Banks/Jenkins/Rhyan-Morgan/Tom. I'd heard how good Morgan had looked, so if Walker won the job... what's that mean? Morgan is that much better at RG? Will he rotate with Walker, with Rhyan? I have a feeling week 1 will be ugly, but we'll get some answers on some key positions.

If Ortiz keeps playing like he has the last few months, I think he'll keep the job for the next year at least. It's going to be hard to knock him out. And that's fine. If Pratt forces his way to an everyday role, then he becomes a very valuable trade chip. Also... if you have any injuries on the IF dirt, Ortiz can cover them IF Pratt is ready. I'd probably feel better about moving Ortiz... who has played 3B and 2B than Pratt... who has primarily been a SS. June 15th-today he's .281/.313/.406 and a .720 OPS 2024-.239/.329/.398 726 OPS I think Pratt will have to come and take it from Ortiz if he plays like he has.... which is a good thing. Made, Pena, Adamczewski will play their way into the lineup maybe end of '27? Maybe Made earlier in '27, Pena later on. maybe Pena moves to CF by then(he seems like a good fit out there).

It's not like they're going to give up Chourio, Frelick, Collins, Perkins(Yelich) or anyone else because you have Mitchell. "Counting" on him would consist of using an option on Lockridge. Yeah, I was gonna do a bench and then I just did a whole... kinda second lineup... and yes, I forgot Lara, but what I'd initially meant to say was that Collins would be getting regular starts. LF, 2B, RF. He's clearly earned regular PT. I just think they're going to give Mitchell a short and then it was Frelick and Chourio. The point is, I don't think they have to do a whole lot. I think they could take a big swing, ie, Marte(which would kick Turang to SS and Ortiz to a utility role) but there's a lot coming up in the farm system. And yes, Lara would be the next up in the OF.

DL Hall was a top 75 high potential arm... Joey Ortiz was "and more," as a highly rated SS prospect. I think these deals sound better in theory than they end up playing out. 1B- We have several options. Vaughn has earned the first crack. Black, Bauers... for closer to the minimum is an option. Luke Adams, Brice Wilken, they could play first as well. Burke as you mention may end up being the best option of all of them and I don't know how far away he is. We wouldn't bring him up for the first couple months, but he's right there knocking on the door. You mentioned several, but it's not a position we need to worry about in the off-season. We've got depth there. The only real position I'd be looking to add would be another reliever. I was of the opinion that the only position I'd give up a good prospect for was a Duran, Clase...Chapman, but that was before Boston got hot. Mason Miller was never on my mind(nor was trading a prospect the caliber De Vries). Griffin Jax would be a guy I'd target. He's got great stuff, I think TB will likely move him and I think we can get him back to where he was last year. But I would just let that play out. Next year your rotation should look like 1-Peralta 2-Misiorowski 3-Priester 4/5 Myers, Henderson, Gasser, Patrick, Ashby BP-Megill, Uribe, Jax, Mears, Hall, Koenig, Hopefully Wichrowski, Hardin, Manfredi, Fitzpatrick, Kuehner Lots of arms who could compete early on in the season. Lineup; Frelick -RF Contreras -C Chourio -LF Yelich -DH/LF Vaughn -1B/DH Turang -2B Ortiz -SS Mitchell -CF(at least for the start of the year) Durbin -3B I'm not seeing a whole lot of moves that need to be made going into next year. I'd LIKE to look into extending a couple players, but aside from Woodruff that's not for next years team in particular. -Woodruff gets a OQ and we get a 1st if we don't re-sign him. -Keep Peralta -Keep Mitchell because he's so talented and his arbitration number should be below 2.5M at the most, we don't have a lot of OFers knocking on the door. And then you have a bunch of guys who should be knocking on the door or ready to step up in case of injury. Nearly every position should go 2 deep. C-Quero 1B-Burke/Black/Adams/Wilken 2B-Murray SS-Pratt 3B-Wilken/Fischer(I think he'll move quickly and this wouldn't be ideal, but it also wouldn't be that far fetched. LF-Black CF-Lockridge RF-Setting aside the obvious depth on the MLB roster, Adams could play in the OF. It wouldn't be ideal, but he's played out there I believe. We've run out lineup's under Selig-Prieb that weren't much better. If we decide to make a "Micah Parsons" type move, Kentel Marte for Luis Pena, Fischer and Henderson would be... one you could make. Turang to SS. But I think this team is setting up REALLY nicely for the future. I don't see the need to make any significant moves.