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Kansas City could be an option. They have some very good CBs, they also have to pay a lot of people. They have Watson coming up and took Nohl Williams in Rd3. That could be a nice target. I think he'd be expensive. A 4th maybe. And he's due to be a FA(unless I missed an extension). It hurts that Jaire's father said he'd have stayed for 8M. That...really seems like it's a worthwhile risk. He took 4GTD and 2 in incentives to play in Baltimore. I don't know what they do right now though. Samuel? His health is pretty checkered. Coming back from a shoulder/neck injury? That could vary from career threatening to a pinched nerve and a less invasive procedure(from what I understand). I think given what seems to be obvious, that we'll again play a lot of C2 Zone, Douglas is a good option. As for Melton, setting aside the CB depth potential, just dismissing that as it's a total wildcard, I think he slots in higher on the WR depth chart just given his ability on 4 phases of Special teams and how good he is in that regard.

Yeah...I wouldn't give a 3 year deal to a pitcher who hasn't pitched in 3 years either... which is why I tried to make the point very clear that I'd do it if he came back and threw well this year(so you wouldn't be giving it to him after not pitching for 2 years). So IF he came back, pitched well, got his velocity up(I don't actually care if it's 97 or 95.8). That was also beside the point as I was agreeing that you shouldn't be signing or not signing Freddy based on what MIGHT happen...(the might happen being Woodruff's production).

Yeah, I'd LOVE to see Woodruff come back and I'd even be fine with THEN handing him a 3-year deal if he did and he was throwing well again (assuming it's reasonable), he was healthy. Velo back at 97 or so, but... we're not doing anything with Freddy either way based on Woodruff and what MIGHT happen.

When he bought the team he initially bought 45% of the team. I know he's since sold a couple percent here and there and it was...37% or 36% as of last year(upper 30s, I don't remember specifically). He could have bought someone out or something could have changed, Aaron Rodgers perhaps but as far as I've known, since he bought it, he's never been a majority owner and he's specifically not referred to as a majority owne, but principal owner. Him being the Board Chair and CEO doesn't mean he has to be a majority owner. As for Peralta, I find it unlikely that they're going to come and ask 2 years in advance and expect him to get near market value, but...yeah, I guess it's possible.

It was just staph. Just an interior staph infection that flared up and caused everything(which is why everyone, including Ben was so caught off guard). He was getting ready to Wrestle in the new Professional Wrestling League, he was training hard, but if it was a broken rib puncturing his lung, he'd have known. Maybe he'd have waited a day, but he waited almost 4 days after he started feeling sick out in Vegas. That was the assumption when it was mentioned he had a hole in his lung. It was just staph was running rampant in his body and eating away at the lungs. It's a...horrific image, but he's still fighting. He has changed the fact of Wisconsin Wrestling. His own success pales in comparison to what he's done by building AWA. He's been communicative, but...it's just stunning. He looked better than he had since...hell, maybe ever physically. He was in good shape training for the league and then this just hits. It's just one of those things that reminds you... you're just a dash between two numbers. Make 'em count. He's made them count... and I know the prognosis is dire, but it's not a good idea to bet against Ben. Especially with those 3 kids and a wife like Amy...who'll be at his side no matter how long in takes. -Just a note, you say he changed the face of Wisconsin Wrestling. He did. He gave so many kids a place to train...which in and of itself is huge. Setting up schools all over and getting guys like Nick Pell(3rd place in the NCAAs) and John Mesenbrink(one of the best coaches I've ever been around) and Max who was an NCAA Champ, the Wagner's numerous College Wrestlers. But he really changed ALL of College Wrestling and High School Wrestling. He really did revolutionize the sport with his style of wrestling.

Yeah... I don't know, I think they have regressed a bit. Different parts of the team are keeping them propped up a bit. PCA and Tucker beat us last night, but can the Brewers do it? There's no question. Mis, Henderson and Woodruff give the rotation a boost...at some point. I still think you'll get more from Contreras, Hoskins, Chourio and Yelich. SS/3B are huge. Durbin is a winner and that cliche grinder I used to dismiss, but I like him(aside from the terrible foul pop-up on a bunt)...but what do we have in Ortiz? Not a ton of room to get help from within As for the pitching, I would say we could also regress as easily as get better, but I like to be an optimist. I think we can catch them, I don't think they're quite as good as the record suggests, but I put it at a ~15% chance. I don't think the 1.8% chance is a real number. But we'll see. And then I'll take joy in watching them trying to pay Kyle Tucker in the off-season. 500M?

Oh Mis... you set the bar a bit too high in your first start. If you come back and you somehow meet that...well, that'll be hard to do. If you're a bit wild and maybe Tucker gets ahold of one...well, no way Brewers Twitter overreacts to that! I was advocating keeping him in AAA because I wanted him to just get a full season in, get that command(or at least control) improved along with the change, but now that you're up, I just can't wait. Just a glimpse of what's to come. Wouldn't HATE if Logan Henderson was throwing as well, but... patience.

Just...once again, to reiterate, Attanasio is not the majority owner of the Brewers. He owns ~36% or so of the team. That may be lower after Giannis and others have bought in. I'd imagine they ddn't make largest investments, but all the same. Doesn't mean I don't think he can spend more...but I don't think he can afford bad deals. Just because you got Peralta for cheap and he performed well doesn't mean you're required to compensate for that now by committing to him for what would be 8 more seasons(well...7.5 anyway) and paying him 20M a year at the end of that. He'll get paid. I wouldn't go 5/125...it's 1.5 years to go, I'd go 5/100 maybe, but we've also been developing a lot of arms, so...I'd prefer we use that to extend younger position players as they come up(Turang is one I would like to given he can play SS/2B...Contreras may be a good one to extend for a couple years at this point for the right price. Otherwise, they should keep the deals shorter so they don't get burned for a few years on the backend.

Riight... bud, you're exclusively using stats to make ALL of your arguments. Yelich wasn't hitting well last year despite an OPS over .900 because...he didn't hit 20 HRs. He wasn't good the year before for that matter because he only had 19. In fact, that's been the sum total of your argument here for House. But, just to be clear, you watched Cooper Pratt and the comp you have is...Orlando Arcia...but you're saying nobody else watches these guys, just the stats! LOL...alright bud. Come back after House has 1500 PAs and give me an update. I suspect he's more Keston Hiura than anything, but...sure.

The back surgery was about as mild of a back surgery as you could have. I think this is finally going to take care about his back issues. This is minimally invasive, it's actually a good long term fix and I think you can see it in his swinigng this year. I argued the same when he was struggling. He was swinging free and healthy. He's talked about being pain-free for the first time in a long time. This isn't a degenerative back issue. I think the issue over the next 4 years is...he'll just be 4 years older, but he's on pace for what, close to 30 HRs and he's been getting on base. LOL...oh, yeah! Just Bryce Harper! And he couldn't even hit 20 HRs! You plays an inordinate amount of value on BA and HRs, don't you? Well, that's good as Yelich is on pace for 31 HRs. I mean, I'd take that .909 OPS over a full year, but... at long as he hits...20 HRs! Yelich over the last ~month, .368/.435/.671 1.106 OPS. And the idea that the Brewers were going to sign Harper is laughable. Umm...he was simply stating facts Kantz. That's...it. Juuust facts. Though, since you think it's "laughable," you think we should have signed Harper(who'd already been signed) when Yelich was coming off two MVP caliber seasons(he wins a 2nd without the Foul Ball). So it's kinda both sides of your mouth. It's "Sign Bryce Harper," and then it's the small market argument. It's also not 27M per year. It's 22M a year with money DEFERRED whereas Harper is getting 27.3M a year with Money up FRONT. You brought up small market, so surely you understand how deferred money is worth less than money up front, right?

Yeah....AGAIN, every team wants an ace. The Nats want one for the FUTURE, that does not mean they're going to pay the asking price for Peralta at the deadline...and that price is in no way Brady House. A guy with an OBP of .359(vs Adams .435 or Wilken at .390). House has a 30 Hit grade. A BABIP of just under .400. You're trading 1.5 years of an ace for a guy ONE year ahead of Wilken and Adams, both of whom were better, swing and miss less and walk a whole lot more than House. Wilken has a WRC+ of 172, House of 126, Adams of 180 You're putting a WHOLE lot of faith in a guy having an abnormally good year after putting up poor BAs the last couple years because he's had half of a year with an extremely lucky BABIP. LAST year he hit a .241 BA and a .297 OBP. That's be what you'd call "ass." Well... that's...brilliant. At 20, he's putting up a better line in AA than House did just a year ago I hope we can continue to find prospects that "are ass" like Pratt! Yup! A bag of chips! Instead...we should do it in-season! I kinda doubt we trade Contreras, but I can see given what a poorly run team we are, why you'd think that! Can I ask, did you just look for a 3B with a good BA this year and then decide that's the player the Brewers have to trade for?

Hell, Manny Parra was as high regarded(going off rankings) as Misiorowski was. Even Taylor Jungman and...I think Willy Peralta were on top 100 lists(Josh Hader as well). It seemed like he fell from last year when the Brewers moved him to the pen last year to preserve his arm and have him finish up with less stress. But top 25...I think Gallardo and then Sheets and Neugebauer. But Misiorowski was closer to 60 on the top 100 lists. Hader was #19 on Baseball Prospectus, but...nevre used him as a starter. I'd imagine Woody or Burnes had retained their prospect rankings after the playoff run and were ranked pretty high... Most anticipated SP since Gallardo though. Back then, finding a starting pitcher in this organization was like...finding a piece of gold i your backyard. And rankings aside, we've all been dreaming about what Misiorowski could be since he was drafted(or at LEAST the futuresgame).

No we really don't. We have starters DEVELOPING in Nashville. Even Misiorowski. I wouldn't be shocked if he gets sent back down. They have a couple premium arms they're trying to bring along very carefully and they have some arms like Myers who they're trying to get back to last years level, but I'd hardly say they're "rotting." Trading Patrick in a year may look like trading Myers...who is struggling this year. But as of now, it's trading a 26 year old rookie who's taking the ball every 5th day and is on pace to give you ~2.5+ WAR from the back of your pen. Henderson and Misi are probably capped in the MOST optimistic scenarios at around 150 innings this year. This is how the Brewers stay competitive. A pitcher who...if he put up this type of season would demand a 15M salary and we've got him for the next...potentially 5 years for what Civale cost this year. Yoan Moncada, the guy many mentioned on here as a possible addition. He can play 2B/3B...gives you some versatility. But I think Ortiz and Durbin are coming around. I'd rather keep the young pitching than watch Chad Patrick go Shane Smith on a bad LAA team. Eugenio Suárez is on an AZ team just clinging to .500 after losing Burnres for the year and they have a young superstar coming up to replace him. He wouldn't be cheap, but he's a slugging 3B you could slide into the lineup...perhaps Durbin gets some play at 2B vs tough lefties and likewise, Turang at SS vs tough righties or just to give Ortiz a break....though I thnink he's starting to have better ABs.

There seems to be an ongoing thread each year of who are the guys the Brewers likely keep to protect against the rule 5 draft. I'm just curious who is going to be on it and I've had trouble finding that thread. Maybe it's too early in the season and there hasn't been much discussion about it, but there are some people who are much more cognizant of who is in their 4th or 5th year. A guy like Murray(3B/SS/2B) and I know Ernesto Martinez was on there....a lot of guys I can figure out, but there are always a couple of guys who kind of sneak up on you. Just want to get a head start on figuring out who is going to be the AL ROY next year!

Can someone link the thread of players who will need to be added to the 40 man this off-season or be eligible for the rule 5?

Bauers has been very good this year and Black has been hurt. I think the "sweep spot" for Black will be next year as a 1B/DH/LF. I think he'll be just fine in the OF. He's also played 2B and I think he was moved off there as much because the Brewers were moving him around trying to find an immediate home. He could play a passable 2B. But...he has to stay healthy and produce and he's regressed in that manner. I think there's a very little window for Black to make his mark as a Brewer or he'll be traded. That will come next year and I still like his overall game well enough I think he'll take advantage. But if he doesn't...he's kinda run out of opportunities.

Ok...the first claim is...insane. The Brewers told the umps to ring up Black and call close pitches strikes? To what end? So their top 100 prospect can...strike out? And please, show me anywhere that Murphy has even shown or articulated a mile dislike for Black(much less "hatred.") These are outrageous claims that deserve SOMETHING to support the veracity...

I like Durbin a lot. He's a...cliche, but a winning player. Just as a utility player. Maybe he could hit enough to start at 2B, Turang to SS, just give Ortiz a couple weeks, but I see some signs he's coming around. I'm looking for the players the Brewers have to either add to the 40 or expose to the rule 5 this year(so we don't have another Shane Smith situation...which would be 10X worse if the Brewers weren't pulling pitchers out of hats like a magician). But there are some clear players that are...nearly untouchable. Pena, Made, Misi, Chourio(despite Steve "the Homer True" imploring the Brewers to just eat 20M of it if they can find a team to take him)...Quero, Payne, Letson...hell, just...most of their young prospects. I know of that group, minus Chourio, many will never be more valuable, but I don't want to trade even Bitonti and then watch him become a Cody Bellinger-esque player. Or worse, Made/Pena and whatever the hell they can become(2 SS's with their upside...Made/Pratt/Pena could be a dynasty core). Luke Adams is another guy I think is really under the radar. If he can be a .220/.340 type guy who hits 25, steals 15 and he should play good defense at 1st, or Wilken, his power is showing up in a big way. I think once it starts with these prospects, it's just going to start pouring. It's one reason I would give Turang an offer for a 6 year 40M extension with a couple options and if he passes it up...no harm. That's a guy who is on pace to put up ~10 WAR over the '23 and '24 seasons.... But Ernesto Marinez? I'd imagine he'd be picked and is he going to be added? Perhaps, but someone of that ilk is about as much as I'd give up....as things currently stand.

Miz is going to give you... maybe 60 more innings this year and while his stuff is electric, he's not a finished product. Henderson, same thing, though he's over-performed. He's a good #3 who also has maybe 60-70 innings left. They could be pushed a bit, maybe 140, but they're not taking the ball every 5 days. Myers is in AAA because he wasn't throwing the ball well. Patrick is throwing the ball well. Probably not wise to expect him to maintain this level of performance as a rookie and as HE gets closer to a career high in innings. Quintana was a cheap back of the rotation pitcher who is a nice innings filler. Hall hasn't been a trust starter. Any plans to turn Ashby into one appear to be on hold for yet another year. Rodriguez...back of the rotation arm. And Woodruff, I hope he comes back like Ashby did lsat year and is back to throwing 97 later in the year, but he hasn't started a game yet. Gasser won't be back as a starter this year. He may come back and pitching in some capacity, but expecting him to be a starter, much less an effective starter...he's MAYBE going to be back in August in SOME capacity, Sept or '2026 if there is ANY issues. As for Cortes, should they be lucky enough to get him back and he's healthy(so the same thing that he went through last year)...you're going to just dump him? ------ Now, onto the Nats. I don't know why they'd want an ace in a trade...other than...who doesn't want an ace. I want more aces. They have to be willing to pay for them. Which brings us to the return. I'm fine with trading Peralta if you get an elite prospect for him. I'm not seeking out the team with the #4 3B prospect per MLB pipeline when we have the #6 and #7....neither of whom are Wilken and going after THAT trade. House has a 50% swing and miss rate at Fastballs out of the zone(43% overall). That's Keston Hiura again. To trade Peralta in the situation the Brewers are in, getting a LIFT from(not being carried by) young arms, you're going to need to be overwhelmed. So from the Nats, I'm going to want Sykora or Susana, House and maybe a Robert Hassell, see if we can get him back on track. And if I'm the Nats, I'm wondering why would I give up on a 3B who has big power when we could try and fix his swing and miss issues and then one of our potential TOR type arms AND a guy capable of being great compliment to Wood and Crews in the OF if he can figure it out when we're 30-40 and out of the race. You really think they're paying going rate for a guy who may be the best arm on the market to what end? They're not a playoff team. Unless the Brewers fall out of the race, I'm not moving Peralta unless it's a guy like Emerson from Seattle or Walcott from the Rangers. The Brewers are finally bringing SS/3B prospects up. They have two guys who have 900+ OPS, 21 year old Luke Adams, he's got a .435 OBP, Bock Wilken, .390 with 16 HRs, then you have just a ton of guys the next two levels below who can play SS or 3rd. Cooper Pratt is also in AA, albeit a SS for now. Bitonti, I'm not sure if he can play 3B or if he just isn't because we had like 4 legit SS prospects on that team. But fine, most of them are further away. But I'll take my chances on keeping Peralta and hoping one of the bats we have coming up works out rather than trading Peralta for a guy with House' swing and miss issues(which I know Wilken and Adams have, but we're not giving anything up for them...and they have been BB rates).

I was one of the last guys who was against calling him up. I wanted him to throw 120 innings in AAA, then maybe be used as a multi-inning reliever... but he really just has two things...to my eye to work on. Control. At 100 with a low to mid 90s slider/cutter, whatever, the command doesn't have to be perfect, but I really with he could develop a change or a CB that was 4-5 MPH slower. But man, that's nitpicking. I've thought he has deGrom like upside(in the way Chourio has prime Acuna Jr upside, rare guys reach it, but it's still THAT high). Also really impressed with how he repeated his delivery.

You're buying. Even if it's "just" a guy like Suarez, you have to buy... based on where you currently stand. If you gain ground, then it's an even simpler decision. If you lose ground and you're...~5-6 games out of the WC by that point in the year, it probably makes sense to stand pat. I wouldn't sell unless you get a ridiculous offer from a contender for Peralta. But it'd have to be...a stupid offer. I don't even know what that'd entail, but...Painter and Miller from Philly(they don't need the depth, but an overpay is the point). Seattle, Minnesota, I don't know that Toronto even has guys I like or think make a ton of sense. Detriot could decide this is it, the year they'll really go for it. Skubal, Peralta, Flaherty is a great 1-3 with Jobe doing on the shelf. McGonigle, Melton and someone else for Peralta and Megill. They reasonably had an insane asking price for Skubal last year. We should have a high(not as high) ask for a closer and if someone overpays, not to take it for granted, but we develop so many good pitchers, I think it's worth it.

Yeah, but it changes literally nothing. Unless you're talking about keeping Jaire, the fact that they chose to have all the money hit the cap this year or half of it hit this year and half it next year, they still have the same number next year. Say the Packers had 40M in space this year. Jaire was due 20M, but after June 1st, 10M would go on this years cap, 10M on next years Cap. If they just ate 10M for this year, you'd simply roll over the additional 10M next year. So the cap number for 2026 doesn't change. If it was going to be 50M, it's 50M no matter how you do this...at this point. Ok...maybe moving Melton is overblown. The complete lack of depth at CB is not overblown. The last time the Packers have been this thin at CB was 2017 when LaDarius Gunter was their #1 CB. Difference is, if this team losses a couple CBs, it's going to be even worse. Yeah, every team has areas they'd like to have more depth. Is there a team that's a contender that has this little depth at a position as important as CB? An Eagles, Lions, Vikings, SF, LAR, Washington, even the Cowboys, Bears? I think they can make up for it, but they'll need LVN to take a big-big step this year and continue to follow in Gary's steps, Gary will need to have a good season, Clark, Wyatt, Brooks, Wooden, other young guys to step up. And who knows, maybe Haden or someone will surprise. But at this point...it's dangerously thin and kinda ugly. I think the Pats won a Super Bowl playing Troy Brown at CB...and you know we're going to play a whole lot of zone this year.

Ben Askren, the former Wisconsin Prep Wrestler, one of the top College Wrestlers of all top(top 15 in an all-time list recently compiled) as well as a former Olympian and maybe most importantly, the leader of AWA(Askren Wrestling Academy) that has helped Wisconsin become one of the top Prep Wrestling States in the Country) has been in critical condition for a little over a week, unresponsive from a freak sequence of events. Most Wrestlers(or athletes for that matter) have Staph in their body, usually lying doormat...similar to cancer. Ben was out in Las Vegas, wasn't feeling well before he left, felt worse out there, checked himself into the Hospital and they quickly realized the seriousness of the matter. He had a raging staph infection in his body causing sepsis. This led to acute pneumonia and apparently a hole in his lung(I've not heard that from anyone close but Amy, Ben's wife has not shared much). There were reports he was "back home," from Las Vegas and there were interpreted as back at his house, feeling better, etc... That's not the case. He was air-lifted back home to be near family and friends. The situation is ...looking a bit bleak. He'll need lung transplants and a litany of other things to go right in order for him, but he's always found a way. Ben Askren quite literally changed the sport with his style of Wrestling. He was not a guy who was quicker, faster, more athletic. He was a guy who was creative, worked harder than everyone else and never quite. You can see that in the Robbie Lawler UFC fight. Anyway, I know there are at least a couple people on here who are interested in the sport...plus, a former Olympian who at just 40 and in...elite physical conditioning and one of the best athletes the states ever produced, I thought it worth noting over here.

That it could even play a decision is a sign of how desperate the Packers are at CB. I've run this down before, but the Packers have 2 established CBs and then a guy who was a part time starter last year. Nate Hobbs-Great start to his career...in the slot. Moved outside, he was terrible. He had his worse Coverage rating of his career at 61.4(down from 79.4 as a rookie). On top of that, he has played 38 out of 68 games in his NFL career. Nixon- was ranked 116th and graded out better as a slot after moving outside full time...5-6 weeks into the season. Carrington Valentine. Started 7 of the 15 games he played-He was good...in limited snaps. Those are our top 3 CBs followed by 7th rd pick Micah Robinson and a 6th(or 7th) rd pick Kamal Haden who was cut. To be fair...he was cut by KC, a team that plays the same type of style Hafley has said he would like to play and he and MLF said they weren't able to play given the personnel. The other slot is Javon Bullard. I hope he can improve, but he had a coverage grade that was just brutal last year at ~48% or so. Just for a point of reference....Eric Stokes ranked #2 on this list last year in terms of coverage grades with a 62.4. He finished the season(last 8 games) much stronger as it was a 55.8 until that point. There's not one particular move that you can really be upset with the Packers for not making. I thought trading up for Mitchell seemed like a great bet, but we'll see how Morgan plays. Cooper DeJean played well. Last year in the 2nd rd, there were a LOT of CBs who were projected to go from top 5 to end of Rd 1 who didn't, seemingly because hey didn't test. But there's no doubt there is a glaring weakness in the Packers secondary and the Packers will once again have to try and rely on forcing turnovers and generating pressure at the right time to help their CBs as well as elite Safety play. -Also, one last note, Jaire Alexander's father came out and said it was absolutely untrue that he would not take a pay-cut to stay in Green Bay. He did say he wasn't willing to take a pay cut to "damn near zero" to play. The Packers also made a bit of a head scratching move. They decided to take the entire cap hit this year rather than spread it out. It's really inconsequential as the money rolls over, but perhaps they just want a clean looking cap next year. Skeptics were saying the Packers didn't want to "make it appear as though they had the 3rd most cap space," which...I don't think they care about(Ken Ingills made that statement). Jalen Ramsey is really the only difference maker currently on the block, but he seems like a bit of a long shot as he'd likely require an extension for ~30M AAV...and he's 30 years old and still very good, not the type of move the Packers often make for a CB who...is showing signs he's slipping a bit.

I think the Burnett play is pretty regularly brought up, but he...picked the ball off. The Packers were still in complete control of that game and Seattle needed an...onside kick. It doesn't get to an onside if a dozen other things happen differently either. The Packers inability to gain a yard(actually lost about 6 next 2 plays). Then a shank by Masthay. Burnett still had a INT ending a series close to midfield(even if he should have kept running), 2 sacks, 10 tackles, 3 TFL and a FR that game. I have no problem with the Packers hiring him as a coach. If your defense isn't blocking and they're yelling at you to get down...hell, up 19-7 with 5 minutes left, returning the ball is probably a bigger risk at that point. Hawk on the fake FG, Clinton-Dix on the 2-point, the two FG attempts from inside the ~5...and Bostick. Bostick's play was bad. Burnett was a good player for us for a while. He hardly cost us that game. That was a team-wide choke job culminating in Bosick just not doing his job and Haha losing all control of his body. But there were probably 7-8 plays that if just ONE goes the other way, it cost us the game.