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You can account for that in the contract. It's almost a shame it's such a weak NL ROY class though as he's now the betting favorite. Account for that in the contract. I'm thinking 7/95M GTD and 2 TOs at 25M(10M buyout, part of the 95M). I'd rather we get aggressive and try and keep our guys as we'll never be able to sign a guy like this in FA... and I amnot interestedin the "when should we trade Mis, maximize his value." This would come at a time when Pratt, Made, Pena, and who knows who else are just becomes part of that nucleus that looks so promising?

You actually said; And when do you ever sign not just a pre-arbitration guy, but a guy with ~a month into the big leagues to a contract extension without buying out FA years? The idea isn't to lock in his arbitration numbers, it's to extend your team control... And not that it matters, but...we DO already have a thread about this very issue, extending Misiorowski. Some people take that pretty seriously🤔

No, the team that signs him to that deal with the deferred money is the one responsible for it. That is the default. When the Nats traded Scherzer or...a thousand other examples. If we traded Yelich, we'd still be on the hook for that 10 years of...2.3M (2.5 if/when we decline the final year). That only changes if you specifically make that part of the trade, but it's definitely not assumed. The team that trades him would get him for ~2.5 months at 6-7M for the rest of this year, and IF he gets injured and doesn't opt out, you're taking on 40M the next two years TOTAL, not per year, as each year, 20M is deferred. It's a contract setup for him to opt out but also provide protection in case he does not. Though in that scenario, I'd assume the Red Sox would want some protection. Make the Brewers eat 10M of that deferred money, but that's speculation. In all standard cases, deferred money is the obligation of the team that signed the player. The Red Sox are the worst run big market team...IMO. From trading Betts and Price(who had negative value, but they paid half of the remaining 3 years at 32M AAV). Betts had averaged 8.1 WAR a year through age 26 and had just won an MVP. It's hard to understand what they're actually trying to do. Signing Story when he was on the decline, and then letting Xander walk. If you could trade for Bregman and not give up a top 5-6 prospect...I'd do it. Big bat, locks down 3B. They have done a good job at developing their own talent, but...they've got a lot of money and it's seldom wisely spent.

Not an opt out. If we're giving him 100M GTD, we should get TOs. 8/100 with TOs at 30M AAV and incentives if he win ROY. No, he really doesn't. He says there's been no formal contract offer. That doesn't "push back" on the report that they're interested and that they've had preliminary talks. That's the exact report I read. They've talked, they're not close on the numbers(which makes sense).

Yeah...I would have loved to have back to back picks there. More room to spend later and... I like Priester... but we've got a LOT of good arms right now. I don't know that Priester is one of our 5 best arms. He's a really nice arm, gets GBs, but he's a #4/5 and I'm not sure he's much(if at all) better than Henderson, Patrick or Myers(especially with the bump in velo and the change improving). And he may be the next to get sent down. So if the question is, was that a good trade? Well...sure. A starting pitcher is incredibly valuable. Rodriguez did look like a potential top 100 prospect in the near future, but...he wasn't one yet. Still just a young talent in A+. If the question is does losing that pick hurt...well...yeah. It gives you the chance to take a guy who can throw harder than any other HS pitcher ever AND thwart an entire terrorist plot in just one spin around the sun. That's a lot.

Nats probably gonna end up with him. That'd be my guess. Big hard thrower, early pick tomorrow, probably saved millions with the 1st pick... But, if he makes it 20 picks, the Brewers should have money.

No, probably not, but if you get an ace and a power hitting corner IFer who hits for power and takes a ton of walks, that's not bad for the big league club. Wasn't much else in the way of prospects who have any value outside of Adams and I think there was a pitcher in '22 that's not terrible. Wagoner, I assume has had a shoulder or...TJ? He seemed like he might have something. O'Rae is a potential utility guy I guess(could he handle SS/3B?)...and Wood. And unless I'm mistaken, he's not really viewed as a Catcher at the MLB level. But hey, '23 seemed to make up for it and hopefully '25 will be as good as '23.

Well...I do...in some situations...depending on the pitcher. If Woodruff does the things I suggested, it's probably not real likely he'll be back for 3/60, but ages 32, 33, 34 for a guy like Woody who is probably one of the few players whose value extends beyond his performance on the field. I also don't think this is just lip service from Attanasio. I don't think he's going to go 6 years and 140 if Woodruff finds his way all the way back, but I could see him taking less...and the Brewers already showed they were willing to be aggressive with Woodruff, giving a guy ~18M going into a serious shoulder injury. He's also just 2 starts back, so all of this is premature. We could end up in a scenario in which we're declining the option or... hell, maybe even both sides pick it up(been about a decade since that happened).

I count... at least "next Josh Haders," now! And that started while we still had Josh Hader.

I just saw Myers was hitting 97.8 in AAA and his Change had improved(makes sense he'd be working on it). If Myers can touch 98...or lets just say he's gained a tick or 2 on his Velo and he's throwing 94-95, and touches 96 with the rise he gets on that, it could be an elite pitch. Add the Change...which he threw 3% of the time and even just keep the slider and cutter where they were in terms of effectiveness in 2024, he could really valuable. I THINK it was @Spencer Michaeliswho tweeted about it. I might put a pin in dealing Myers. 5 more years of team control and if he's taking another step, he could be an outstanding #4/5 Starter, maybe a #3 in our rotation. Peralta/Misi/Priester/Henderson/Myers/Patrick. I'm also watching 'Big Woo" and I've been very impressed at the way he's locating without his best stuff...which I think will come back. He's occasionally touching 96, but more in the 92-93 range. If he is more 95-96 and touching 98 again, with the way he's pitching... he COULD be worth a QO and even 3/60 extension. But...that's a little side tangent with 3 more months of big "ifs" preceding it. Myers though, if this newfound velo and improved change is legit, I'd change my mind and prefer to keep him. OR trade him in a larger trade for a guy with multiple years of team controls, but not a rental. Of course, the report on the velo was ONE pitch at 97.8...so who knows. That too may be premature. But it'd give me pause.

Well...Wilken is out for the year and was on his way to AAA. I can't imagine Adams was far behind, but... as they're both out, you have to assume Burke is REAL close to AA. Play Adams at 3rd and Burke at 1st. Adams wasn't a butcher over there, just not MLB caliber. Of course, he can also DH, but at least get them both in the lineup(of course I have no idea how long Adams is out for).

This is a problem with tying incentives to the ASG. Misiorowski doesn't "deserve" to be an AS based on 5 starts... but it's an exhibition and he's one of the most entertaining pitchers in the game. I personally wish he wouldn't pitch in it, but think it's cool he's been named to the team.

I remember Brewers fans talking about wanting Grayson Rodriguez+Jackson Holliday AND lower rated prospects for Burnes(this was with 2 years of team control). Fans expectations seldom line up with reality. If they can get a top 100, they should. I'd maybe trade Henderson, but it'd take more than O'Hearn.

Dinges? I really like him. Looks like an elite bat for a guy who has the skills to catch, but... of course, we can over-value our own prospects. Burke again, he seems like a really safe bet to be a .280/.350 hitter with a very good glove at 1B.... but you are selling high on both, so it makes sense. AZ is losing a lot of pitching. We have a couple guys with really good stuff in AA pushing the guys in AAA. An actual log jam among Starting Pitchers. AZ has a big need there. Naylor would be another guy I would be alright with. Doesn't have the versatility of Bauers, but...he's a talented hitter.

Ok, fair enough. I just saw a stat line...it was like .313 and...well, I don't really remember, just that it made it a little surprising they didn't really try and trade him and find a team to eat even 5-6M. I went through it and there's just...nothing there. He's a veteran RHH and maybe that could help, but I don't know who you'd demote. If-IF you demoted Ortiz for a few weeks, he could slide in...I guess. I just tried to, but when you go and look at the numbers, they're ugly the last few years. He doesn't even hit LHPing better than RH'ed pitching. The best I can come up with is IF-IF the Brewers think Ke'Bryan Hayes has something in his game they can unlock, he's an elite defender at 3B and he's got decent bat speed and his contract is not onerous(though... you're betting you can get more value for him and flip him in a year or two. Anyone I can think of beyond that is a 1B/DH. If he's better... the IF market is bad.

What do you consider cheap for Suarez? Lets say it costs... Tobias Myers or I saw a Tyler Black+Carlos Rodriguez, though that seems light. I get it, I don't want to trade Dinges, Burke, Lara, or anyone above, but with so many starting pitchers and a 3B who can give you an ~.850 OPS... I'd be very excited about that. I think I get where you're coming from though. Didn't someone on here write a "make a big trade or no trade," type article? Basically... don't give up prospect capital for a modest upgrade. I'd argue Suarez is a significant upgrade, but he IS a pretty low BA/OBP type guy with solid, but not elite defense. The one caveat I'd add... Durbin looks like a good player, but will there be some recession for him? His underlying metrics are as ugly as...Bryan Reynolds are good. What matters is how many times you actually get on base, get a hit, create runs, but half a season of a pretty good line, has he been lucky? 1% in Exit Velo, just low across the board in hard hit rate, barrel rate, and even his defense, which I've thought has looked great, it's about average. Better than Suarez, but not great.

Yeah, if he was close to Collins production in CF, he's probably a 6 WAR player. I don't think people realize what a good players Collins has been. He's worse. Much-much worse. Collins- .270/.370/.405 and a .776 OPS... if Perkins put up a .250/.350/370 line, he'd be an elite CFer. And as has been pointed out, he's more than above average defender. Pete Crow-Armstrong... pretty clearly the ELITE defensive CFer of this era had 15 OAA last year Perkins had 11. Perkins is not a GG OFer while PCA is playing... but he's an elite one.

So do you mean Suarez or O'Hearn then in the last line? I'd be alright with either, Suarez fitting the team better, but Hoskins is hurt. O'Hearn hitting vs righties would be a big boost.

Well... to be fair, he's only played in 3 playoff games... but yes, this is kinda the point. But obviously Ortiz is the weakest link right now with Durbin looking like a good player, so the biggest upgrade would be at SS. It's very hard to acquire a good SS though. A 3B or OF may be easier. Hypothetically, Adolis Garcia, you think he's going to revert back closer to his averages. He goes to RF where he's solid, Frelick to LF, Collins to 2B, Turang to SS. Someone would need to know more about Collins ability at 2B than me to know how good he is defensively. CJ Abrams was mentioned, but I don't think that's realistic...and hell, if we're giving up a deal to get a Nats hitter, give me Woods. I'll make the lineup fit. It's been two different types of Ortiz. Super passive and then soft contact with 2 strikes OR super aggressive. Needs to find the middle ground.

I'll take him after he clears waivers... maybe. He'd been crushing the ball in June, but...pass on this. Yeah, it's a little frustrating with the injury and him not being able to keep it going when he has gotten hot for one reason or another, but I still think he can be a big bat down the stretch and in the post-season.

Well...it's really like do I think Hader would have made a 3-4 game difference since we were eliminated on Oct 3rd(3rd to last game) of the year and actually finished 2 games out of the WC having lost the Tie-Breaker to the Phillies(no more game 163 that year, head 2 head decided it). The Phillies then sat most of their starters for the final 2 games and got their rotation set up for the run...so it's really more like 2 or 3 games. Do I think Hader who put up a 7.31 ERA and a -1.0 WAR after the trade would have made up that difference? The same Hader who put up an 8.82 ERA the final 18 games he pitched for Milwaukee? No,I really don't he would have.

Well, I don't know what Durbin is like at 2B. He's a helluva 3B though. I think Ortiz and Turang are...at worst a push at SS. So maybe Durbin is a better 3B or maybe I'm wrong. I've always been big on Turang. I thought was a Trea Turner lite IMO with a better glove. And again, he was set to be the shortstop. It's really hard to see them touching Bregman as that'd destroy your payroll for the next two years if he gets hurt. I think that has to be enough for the Brewers to not touch him. I don't know what it'd take to Suarez, but it's haf a year and we have a pretty deep system. It also feels like Murphy has soured on Ortiz a bit. I'm actually just fine with the way it is. I think Chourio will have a big 2nd half, Contreras should as well after he gets some time off to let his body heal. Hopefully a year from now we'll have several more options and 4-5 more players who CAN contribute in Wilken, Adams, maybe Pratt, Black, Lara and Murray has looked good. Yup. Same here. EVERY year. And it was even before HS playing travel ball. I couldn't throw the ball playing catch the first couple weeks of the season unless I threw it hard. It's 100% like the Major League 2 catcher(though they didn't have me memorize the same thing). We were really good my Jr year, supposed to be good again, but we had a new coach who didn't know me. About a week into the season and I don't remember why, but as we were playing a scrimmage early in the year, I short hoped the pitcher on the mound and as he kinda turned away, I for some reason was jogging toward the dugout, and I still remember this guy saying, 'this is our ##### catcher? Kid can't throw the ball back to God..... pitcher. JC!' He apologized...way too much for it(he was right at the time) and even in the years since when I've ran into him like I was traumatized. I'm like...'yeah, I was thinking the same thing.'

Speculation that he doesn't want to. Some have speculated it'd be worse for his health(that makes sense now, it did not make sense when he was playing LF). Also, a move like that would have to be a whole off-season thing and by that time, you have Luke Adams, Brock Wilken and Cooper Pratt all knocking on the doorstep, making him playing 1B less valuable.

-He's been making them all his life. I think dead arm is just...dead arm. I don't think it's akin to moving Travis Shaw to 2B when you could shift or anything else crazy. 9 days before the season, he was set to start at SS, he had a tired arm. To me that makes complete sense. On the lowly level of HS Baseball, I used to have that every year. Now sure, I was an idiot and didn't build up(also wasn't good enough for anyone to care) but... It just seemed normal. This is also predicated on finding someone who makes it worthwhile. Alex Bregman for example. If you traded for him...the choice would be Durbin or Ortiz. I feel like Murphy would make that choice pretty easily. Sure... but who is playing LF or DHing at that point? Yelich does one, preferably DH. Who plays LF? It IS easier to trade for an OFer. Adolis García? He was way up on that list with Bryan Reynolds for unluckiest hitters of the year so far. Another guy just crushing the ball and not getting hits. But it seems like very few people want those guys when they've got bad numbers despite good underlying metrics. Seems like you could shift Collins to 2B, Garcia could play RF, Frelick LF or he plays LF. Taylor Ward? I don't know if any of these trades are worth upsetting the dynamic of the team...and then you also have the fact that if Ortiz is your worst hitter and he's coming on, you just stick with what's working. I don't know if this is all worth it unless it's a BIG upgrade(looking at you Cleveland).

You sure it's not just the health you don't trust? He's 27...and I get he was expected to be further along by this point, but we still have several years of team control and he's pretty nasty. If he can just...stay healthy and get into a rythem, I absolutely trust him. That 99 MPH sinker and CB? As long as he can stay out there and he's available in the post-season, he should be a big part of this staff.