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I'm holding off plenty. Literally nobody is saying hand out tens of millions to Made or Pratt right now. AFTER they become one of, if not the top prospect(s) in the game and before we call them up(which would be following Chourio's performance and once or even immediately before they're set to get promoted) they are guys I'd like to sign. It's obviously dependent upon them actually becoming those types of players.

Oh...yeah, hard pass in that case. I thought you were being a smart ass and just assumed it was Kim from the Pads...which also made me think the contract was a bit light, but that's too big of a risk given our resources. Good chance he ends up as a utility IFer given his experience at SS and 2B, but we really can't afford to pay the posting fee(I'm not even entirely sure how that works anymore) and give him 40M over 5 years just based on his performance in the KBO.

Sure...maybe that's part of it...though most of those players are younger or in their prime, but even if it was just older players, it's hardly because they brought in McCaffery. They still have another year with Purdy under contract and if they extend him, even if it's for 4/200M, we all know how that deal will go. It's more like 5/200 since he's got just 1M, his cap hits will still be plenty cheap enough the next few years. I'd love to believe this is the downfall of SF, but I think it's just a bad year. They'll be back next year. And if anything has really hurt SF, it was that Trey Lance deal...maybe the Buckner deal. They had an elite DE and a top 3-4 DT that made them a nightmare and they tried to trade Buckner and draft a guy, but those guys are rare. This is the 2020 49ers. They still have too much good young talent, but you're always vulnerable to injuries.

I agree...and that's also why each players value isn't that high. If they moved any of them, I wouldn't be upset, but it's not a Jackie Bradley Jr type scenario where I think we'd be so lucky to get out of the deal(that was an amazing trade). If Hoskins was coming off a career average ~.830 OPS or so, he'd have some surplus value instead of negative. And I'm talking about among GMs, not using his WAR. He may "only" put up a 1.5 WAR this year as he'll DH and his defense is average at best, but I don't really care about the WAR in that case as much as the OPS and run production.

Yeah, I agree. Those two are the top two teams, but the way the Eagles rookie CBs are playing...plus Jevon Carter and speed on the edges and they have the advantage. Both teams have dominant OLs who can wear you down, big playmakers. But Detroit lost so much with the Hutchinson injury. The Packers have a chance to run the table, but they'll need Love playing closer to 2nd half of last year, Wicks to come up with big catches that keep the chains moving, but more importantly, they need that DL to stake a blue pill and stiffen up when playing those teams in particular. The best RT in the NFL is on Detroit(and a well-rounded and elite OL) and Phlily has the best run game with Hurts and Barkley. I think the Packers can turn it up, but where they've been...it's not good enough. Getting Lloyd back from injury to add a little more versatility in the run game, Musgrave and Kraft make a really versatile TE duo. The bruiser and the guy who stretches the field down the seam. But more than anyone, Jaire needs to be healthy if they're going to play press man. But they're mostly healthy and just need to clean some things up and I think the NFC is open for a team to get hot and beat anyone. I don't think either of these teams are as good as the 49ers last year. It'll come down to the LOS. Can Walker, Myers(both ranked 2nd last at their position per PFF) and then the DL with a history of playing big late. Gonna be a fun stretch run.

I'm enjoying the 49ers struggles, but...I can't put that on CMac(and I'm not sure why there was a lot of hubris in the move). I thought that was a great move for them. He played every game the last two years, was a stud for them...this year he's been hurt. The real issue is that team has been decimated by injuries. HOF-LT in Williams was out AP(and I'd say a DE on a HOF trajectory) in Bosa-out. CB-The guy they just gave 90M in Lenoir was out WR#1 Ayiuk-Season ender PB DT-Javon Hargrave(18 sacks last 2 years) season-ending injury They were missing a starting OG, missing 2 other starters on the DL. Purdy has missed time, Kittle, Deebo. Ward who was a 2nd team AP last year at CB. Plus, they're 52M under the cap and they'll roll a ton over into next year. They have to extend Purdy(and this year may make that cheaper)...but I don't think bringing in CMac was the problem at all. It's like Philly bringing in Barkley, but CMac was younger and Barkley got more than CMac. They would have been fine if you have Ayiuk, Deebo, Jennings and then their 1st rd pick not getting shot in the chest to start the year on IR, Kittle, Trent at LT, I think they'd still be an elite offense(but then they're missing 4-5 elite defensive players). It is always nice to see SF struggling though...whatever the reason.

I don't even know what they were though. Was it just general immaturity? With Spencer Rattler, you saw it on that Documentary, he was just obnoxious, but with Caleb, it seemed like he was not coachable and then I just heard "maturity issues." That and when you hve the talent he had around him and you can't beat ANY of the top-ranked teams(IIRC, his record vs ranked teams was like 2-11 or something). I heard people talking about Jayden Daniels, some even saying they should consider him...and when they made their argument, it's pretty easy. He was incredible throwing the ball outside the numbers and pushing it downfield. He was a great runner. A more elusive Randall Cunningham type. Even had the 6'3 frame. But I don't think anyone was seriously looking at Daniels over Caleb. Maybe the Bears should have. I believe Williams will end up having some monster seasons...I just don't know if he's going to be the guy who can get you over the top. The lack of awareness the last play...saying you couldn't get the FG team out there anyway...yes, it's on the HC, but you gotta get that ball snapped at LEAST by ~10 seconds. You let 33 seconds or so tick off. That's not just a rookie mistake, that's worse than that.

Are they really that rare or do they just have so many talented arms that it just seems like more guys are getting hurt? It feels like Tampa has a lot of guys who undergo TJ and come back. It also feels like the Brewers have been abnormally lucky in this regard...but in all of those statements, the word doing the heavy lifting is "feels like." I'm curious if there's an actual metric. And do the Dodgers tend to let their young pitchers fight through injury because they've got so many? Are the Brewers just better at getting out in front of that dreaded "forearm soreness," that invariably seems to lead to TJ? I don't know, but I don't think the Dodgers pitchers are to be avoided because of this. Perhaps a gentler hand or maybe it's just bad luck and a competitive environment in which they pitch through it because if they don't, well, they have 6 guys make 25-35M ready to start for them!

Maybe...or these close games will just serve them all the better in playoff Football. I don't see one "great" team in the NFL right now. Detroit is really good and may be that team is they had Hutchinson. Could be the Ravens or Bills year. I'd like to see Love get hot like last year. This could be the ideal year to steal one...

Yeah, if that's the case though...it's not like the Chargers. I remember it was about 50/50 Leaf/Manning and people thought Leaf was mature. With Caleb, he had these signs of immaturity at USC. Did the Bears even consider Daniels over Williams? I know it seemed like a no-brainer, but I wonder if they even did their due diligence. The Bears really have to nail this next coaching hire. I'd imagine they'll bring in an offensive minded coach...but I keep thinking that and they just consistently run the organization like a little Mom and Pop organization. Just read they flew Dan Quinn Coach when he was interviewing for the job in '22. Most organizations charter a Jet or send their private plane. They're flying guys in via coach... Still, Caleb, Odunze, Moore, Kmet, at least the start of an OL. That'll likely be the most highly coveted job this off-season, but I don't know who is likely or available. Gruden?

Yeah, that'd work. Not really Wes Clarke, even as an emergency, but another catcher. If Haase or Contreras has a short-term injury...I suspect Quero will be fine coming up for a short period. Might even be good for him. Take the pressure off. Coming up for a couple weeks knowing he'll spend the Lions' share of the year in AAA. I do hope Quero can be the next man up that we extend early. I wouldn't do it yet obviously, but if he comes back with the same defense and can hit ~.270/.330/.450...I'd gladly give him 8/50 and a couple of options with more in incentives.

Or...were you using Baseball Reference? 2.1 WAR in '22, .9 in '23. 3.0 WAR, 1.5 WAR pace. Your Math was alright if you're using BRef...not if you're using Fangraphs. I'm not sure if one is more reliable, but Edman's been trending pretty strongly in the wrong direction whereas Cain was not. Cain was a GG CFer still playing at a very high level, Edman was a poor fielder last year with little power, didn't walk and hit for a poor average... The Dodgers also spent a billion dollars last year and are spending quite a bit again this year, so if we're talking about who drove up the prices in free agency, I'm not sure using the biggest FA contract the Brewers have ever signed is...really an accurate representation of why/how Tommy Edman's value became as inflated as it has. This is more like the Chris Taylor signing...but even there, Taylor had played better more recently than Edman. But, that's life as a small market team. Juan Soto is lining up a 500-600M(hell, maybe larger) contract and we've got Chourio locked up, hopefully we'll follow suit with Pratt and Made after they follow Chourio's performance.

It's possible, but I don't really see the White Sox wanting Ashby/Frelick back. They're so bad and so far away from competing, I'd think they'd want the deal to start with Made/Pratt and then still add on Ashby/Frelick as guys they may later flip. I think each player has more value to the Brewers going forward than they currently have in trade value. If you're the CHW, Ashby was a guy who threw 30 good innings last year out of the pen and Frelick is a guy with a sub .700 OPS who's good in the OF but who we may not be good enough to play CF based on where we've played him. Ashby in particular I want to hold onto. I think I'd be fine letting another team take a chance on Crochet duplicating his '24 season. I get it...most people on here want Hoskins gone. I think I'm the outlier. And yes, we could use that 18M better...but that's kinda sunken expense. At this point...I think you have to pay at least half that to unload him and...again, I just think he's going to have a better year. With Ashby...it's really just how much confidence you have in him. Back in May, June...we couldn't give him away. I've always been high on Ashby, but I did start to lose a little confidence on him.

I like Kim and Goldy. I'm not as concerned with Hoskins as others are. I think he's more likely to rebound from a career-worst season...and I really don't want to move Ashby now that he's all the way back. I think he IS a really good arm. That upper-90s (mid-90s as a starter probably) sinker, the slider, curve and change. Plus 5 more years of team control...I think he's got as much upside as any pitcher in the organization.

I don't think that's "likely." I think it's as likely we keep him for 3 more years rather than vs trade him after this year.

No, his post doesn't seem to suggest he's "some workhorse." He's pointing out how all starters are throwing fewer innings and how he is guessing that trend will continue. It's really pretty simple. Not that long ago, 4 years and you'd have pitchers crossing that 1000-inning mark he used. Now...180 innings and you're a workhorse. If it's not particularly noteworthy to you...ignore the note.

Miller is a guy I'd trade just about any prospect outside my top 10(Bitonti and Payne are inside it). MLB, Williams and Mitchell+a good, but not top 10 prospect for Miller and Ryan. Dream trade scenario IMO. I'd be open to dealing Peralta at that point, but probably in another year. I think those two have #1 upside, Ashby, if the shoulder is strong as it appeared, #2-3, Woody...1-3, Misirowski could be a long man. Serve in the Hader role. Those are also two guys I'm particularly high on. And...as such, they'll likely become the 15th and 16th pitchers for the LAD, on their tax squad, only to come up when a guy getting 30M a year needs a day off so they can throw 6 shutout innings. It's really just...insane the depth they have.

I'd say it's on the HC. You should REALLY be smart enough to know, call the TO, then have the FG team ready to run them out there. But the few plays before when they called a TO and Williams looked pissed and was kinda waiving off the coaches, he just doesn't seem coachable. Immensely talented, but I wonder if he's coachable. That's the first time watching this absolute joke of a franchise I've ever been annoyed about it rather than bemused.

This history has been...revised a bit. He came out and said he wanted a trade after it was leaked that the Packers were talking to the Jets while he was in the...darkness retreat that he wanted to go to the Jets. The Packers were the ones who wanted to move on. They had little time left to see what they had in Love and a massive financial commitment to Rodgers that would have only gotten worse if they'd have kept him for another season and picked up his option. In what little of a defense I can mount for Rodgers, he did want a trade to the Broncos at the time and I'm sure the other teams that called about him, the Rams pre-Stafford, the 49ers, again, the year before he was hurt, I think that's why he was talking about retiring. That's when Shefter got all that heat saying he made up those rumors...despite all of them playing out exactly as he said.

The Jets problems aren't the cap. They are fine with regard to the Cap. The culture is just poisoned. I give you; Watch the Jets play. It's just him holding the ball too long. It's similar to when he was in GB. He'd go through those periods where he'd hold the ball forever. There were times where he was actually better off when he had a gimpy left from a calf strain or a minor knee injury. The ball would come out quickly and they'd get in a rhythm. But then when he'd sit back there and try and scramble around, he was mobile enough that he could mostly make it work. He's lost a step or two. But that's the only area he's he's dropped off physically. He still makes ridiculous throws. It's like the grinch, except for his ego. When he came down to New York, he ego grew 3 sizes that day! And it wasn't small to begin with. And yes, his cap hit is easy for them next year. I could see if this team got hot and finished really strong, they could restructure Adams deal since almost none of it is GTD, they could easily eat his cap hit...but is it better to try the same thing again next year and then eat the 35M cap hit in '26 or just take the whole cap hit next year? Rodgers has said he wants to play another year and sure, based on his numbers, you'd say he should. They're even in position to draft in the top 10 this year, but as we're seeing with Fashanu, being a top 10 pick doesn't guarantee you're going to step right in and be an impact player year 1. They have talent at RB. Their OL across the board is very good and that's with their #11 overall pick filling in as the season goes. Everyone but Morgan Moses has a PFF grade of 70 or higher and Moses is ~66. They grade out better than the Packers Ol. They have talent at WR, TE...the defense was dominant. So...yeah, Rodgers numbers look good, but again, who else do you blame it on? I really wouldn't be shocked if they did try to run it back as they're kinda stuck with Rodgers, but unless you get a coach in there who the players respect and Rodgers humbles himself a bit, what's going to change?

Who are we talking about here? About the only thing Douglas got right was the top of the draft. The more I read about what's going on in NY, it just seems like the owner, Woody Johnson is too involved and then they just handed WAY too much power to Aaron Rodgers. The comments from Sauce Gardner about tackling shows immaturity and a lack of leadership. And when you have your HOF QB coming off an Achilles and he decides he doesn't need to be there for mandatory OTAs, it sets a bad tone. There is not a huge gap between the talent the Jets have and the talent the Buccs had when Brady went there. I'm developing a greater appreciation for how Brady actually wanted coaches to ride him and get on him when he made the mistake of sending a message nobody is above that...and I cannot imagine that's the same with Rodgers. That team is more than talented enough on paper to win. They NEVER should have let Saleh go. At this point, maybe they should be starting Fashanu at LT instead of moving him all over the place. Get him settled in. I'd consider benching Sauce. I don't know what you do with Rodgers. I guess maybe you do bench him.

I think 2B is pretty appropriately valued. A 2B has won the platinum glove each of the last two years. When the shift went, the value defensively of 2B went way up. Before that, you could throw Travis Shaw out there and Tyler Black likely would have been more than capable of playing 2B. I don't feel that strongly either. I think Ortiz is a really good defender and since he's played more SS, if they want to just move him over because they found a 3B, cool. It's just the argument that you need a 3B as though it's the only solution to the IF problem. I still think Jose Iglesias is the best fit. I think you'd upgrade your defense and you would have another solid hitter. He's not a .330 hitter, but lets say he's .290/.335/.375...that's good enough for me. I expect Hoskins, Yelich, Contreras, Chourio to all carry the load and I HOPE that Mitchell can continue to develop, Ortiz and Turang can improve upon their years offensively. I think the only downside there is because he got so hot and played so well for the Mets, a team that can spend so freely, they'll give him 2/24 or something and...we just can't match that. In which case, maybe there's a deal to be made there for another IF. they have a lot of them who've hit AAA or have some MLB experience and are among their top prospects. Just defensively though, Ortiz/.Turang/Iglesias and then because it's my post and I can put whoever I want out there, Ernesto Martinez as the defensive substitution. Or even just Bauers. He's not been non-tendered, has he?

I've been saying the same thing. The argument that's been used is that it's because Ortiz has the stronger arm using Baseball Savant...but Baseball Savant will also show you that Torres has a cannon playing a much stronger arm at SS than at 2B. Similar to Turang at 2B actually. So that's just the types of throws, even the max throws they're asked to make. Turang doesn't get a crow hop and get to really let it rip. He's gotta get up falling away in many cases and just try and get it over there. I think Ortiz would be fine at SS and it's probably not a real significant difference...so that's all the more reason we should be open to a 2B, 3B whichever we can find that helps the team more.

That makes sense. I wasn't a fan of that move(mostly the Jones half of it), but as good as Jacobs has been, it's been a little bit different schematically. Could be they wanted Lloyd to fill that role. They were just talking about the bad luck/timing of the appendectomy for Lloyd, praising his role in the passing game, and what he adds to the run game. I still think even with that aspect missing from the offense, the offense will get going and even this past Sunday was a very good start. We played a solid defense and they were good. Just didn't quite finish it off.

I think it's the game plan or Love missing. The ball that was a pick, Kraft was wide open(I don't actually remember if it was thrown to him or just went right over his head). It feels like we've changed our scheme up a bit. Less outside zone...as a result, less boot legs off the PA and fewer easy completions to Kraft. It's certainly an easier fix if it's Love and the game plan. MLF is proven, but now we need to see the version of Love we saw last year down the stretch. Wicks catching the ball would help also.