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I wouldn't if I'm the Cards. He was arguably the best prospect in the division 12 months ago(at least 15 months ago it was debatable). I cannot figure out why he's struggling other than injuries or he's long, which leads to some guys having issues. He's a legit 3B just blocked by one of the best defenders since the 70s over there. I'd love it, but the Cards would be foolish to trade him IMO. His value is so much lower than a year ago and he's still got a ton of talent and is so young.

Yeah, again, I'm not worried about the 9th and 10th spots, I'm worried about the 6th spot or the top backup on the OL. You realize that very picture kinda makes my point? Nobody's climbing to the 2nd level, LB is uncovered...and that's fine...but you see Monk? #90 unblocked while they have 3 guys blocking the 3 tech on that play? Is that our top IOL backup? Is it Royce Newman? Monk? So...again, it's not the ability of the 9th, 10th or 20th player to play right now, it's what happens if ANYONE gets hurt, it's a weakness. The 6th guy. That's my concern. I think we need to improve the depth there...I can't believe we're worried about LVN, but saying there's no depth concerns on the OL after our starters. First 4 seasons he was I think 78% For his career he was 81.3 10-21 from 50+ those first 4 years Carlson was 81.8% last year and 3-5 from 50+ Joeseph is just about 83% for his career It's not gonna matter who's kicking if the snap and holds aren't good. They also not really in ideal conditions. They're rushing guys on and off the field trying to mimic game conditions and making an effort to try and challenge them. I'm guessing if they stay patient, they'll be rewarded again.

Yes...I understand you don't. I was disagreeing. I think these are comically over the top. Namely... It's like we forgot we JUST went through this and came out with one of the best Edge's in the NFL. As I said, his strength right now is his physical ability. Speed, strength. He's not a refined pass rusher just as Gary wasn't after his first year. He was a better rookie than Gary. He's 22 years old. We went through this with people trashing a supremely talented young B1G player with nearly identical physical attributes because they didn't come into the league with a refined game. As I said; A week after he was one of the highest-graded defensive players, he struggled against a really good OT in Bolles and a pretty good Denver DL, but he's fine. He's developing just fine after a good rookie year. He's adjusting to again, that wide 9 and our DL just didn't play well. Brooks, Enagbare, Wooden, we struggled vs their starters....but it's one game. One pre-season game. He'll be a key rotational player this year and become an impact player....so yeah, it feels overblown.

Plus....the 34th pick in the draft. Hall was coming off a dominant run in Sept and the post-season(albeit short). Ortiz was completely blocked. That's likely the biggest difference. But it's that Hit Grade that would give me pause. Luke Adams has a 50, Mayo a 45. Adams is the 10th 3B prospect, Mayo #2. It is an interesting destination. Chris Davis may be the 2nd highest-paid Orioles player next year and they should be getting Bautista back, but I'd think they'd spend this year. Burnes should(or could) be back. They should be all in if they don't win it this year. The Phillies are another team that if they come up short, they'd need a CL. I'd happily take Abel+ from them. He's fallen from his lofty prospect status but has trouble with his command. He's the type of arm I'd like to see the Brewers work with.

Do you think Stearns is trading 12+ years for Devin Williams when they've got a closer signed for 100M? I don't think he will. He may sign FA's, he may spend the payroll that way, but I imagine he'll operate more akin to the Dodgers than the Padres.

It makes me way too paranoid, so I can't use a gummy, smoke...or any of the other ways to use it. When my Mom got sick, I went and bought some drops for her throat. They apparently worked well. I've never minded the smell of weed though. I grew up with it. My Uncle...who was also a Cop, his house always smelled. It wasn't until I was ~14 or so when I realized...that's not actually from the Wreaths they make(his wife's hobby). I also don't get how they make people so active or energized, but the lazy stoner caricature is not how it works...in my experience. He smokes now and he wants to go out and do one of his 20 different projects. It may cause him to half finish one and then start on another, but...the next time he gets around to it.

The LVN stuff is waaay over blown. I completely agree about having him doing some different things that don't play to his strengths. I'd equate it to a pitching prospect. Sometimes they're going to try and throw their changeup and a CB as that's what they need to work on. The dude still a physical freak and again, this scheme should suit him better as well. He isn't asked to set the edge like he was in the 3-4 Edge, so a big part of the huge lanes is him getting up-field and then the DT next to him who was getting blown off the ball. He was also up against Garrett Bolles. He'd be our starting LT. He's a really good player. I didn't really watch anyone close enough, but we saw LVN last year. He's already a pretty good player. He was better as a rookie than Gary. He's going to be fine. He'll play a lot of wide 9 where he'll be able to use his speed to get into the bull rush. He doesn't have a refined pass rush similar to Gary, he's mostly a speed rush and a bull rush, but he's shown good hands last year. His strength is on those inside stunts and they're not running those in a pre-season game. I can't believe we're doing this with another top 13 Edge who's just a freak athlete. Let the guy develop(obviously not at you Cheeze, just the "he's a Jag," type takes. He's still a really good #3 Edge, Enagbare is a good #4 and Cox looked good as depth option. Welch is another guy who had a good game, but they liked him on STs and he's one of the few guys who looked good. I missed a couple of his big plays because...like you, I didn't want to watch again, but him blowing up a blocker and then making a play? . Hopper looked VERY different from his scouting reports. I'm guessing some of those missed tackles are from him coming up and hitting and not wrapping up, but I see now why Gute talked about the power. He's exciting. Especially on a couple plays where he took on an OL and then delivered the hit. Wilson also looked good early on. So...I don't know. I know they talked about liking Welch on STs, but if he looks like he can make an impact as a Mike or SLB? I still think the risk of losing LBs are pretty low, but he's got another week to make the conversation a more difficult one. We saw the dude play last year. He's a young player who's developing and he's already above average. You don't think the ceiling of a dude who's got almost the same physical attributes as Gary, was probably better than Gary as a rookie...his ceiling isn't higher than "slightly above average?" I don't get it the LVN... pessimism. 6 -8 sacks this year and he'll be good vs the run. Ross is doubling down on a bad take from the off-season when he argued they didn't need ANY OL help. 1-The Packers have openly talked about how Rhyan isn't in good enough shape. He's in Yr 3 and he comes in not in great shape. Last year he only played because JRJ was banged up and he split reps. He's a terrible pass-blocker. Dillard was brutal last year and doesn't play IOL save for some snaps in OTA far as I know and Monk looks pretty good when he's in position which...isn't every play. He's missed calls and completely whiffed or been way too late on others. He's a guy who needs a year. The interior of that OL was getting beaten so badly and so quickly it's not surprising Dillard had a good grade, he just needed block for about 1.5 seconds. I really would like to see them get Glowinski or Vaitai, Billy Turner is still available and knows the scheme. They're bad inside though. You're one injury from playing Rhyan or maybe Newman. That's a very real problem. If the Packers are going to claim a guy, I could see it being a vet on the OL. OT...it was hard to tell. We didn't see much of Telfort or Jones. Jones is a monster and wipes his dude out in the run game, but you need to stay healthy which has been an issue and he's obviously limited in the ZBS, but you could work around that. The best way to...evaluate their needs, list the players we'd be in the most trouble if they got hurt. Take Love out because it's always your franchise QB. After him? 1-Tom -We desperately need him to stay healthy 2-Jenkins-We cannot afford to lose another piece fro that IOL 3-Gary 4-It might be Morgan or even Myers given the drop-off after him. 5-Clark(I think Wyatt will climb up this list) RB, WR, TE, DE, DT, LB, CB, SS-You have depth at all of those areas. I think the QBs are fine. They're backups, they're young, but put them in with the starting OL and Wicks? Clifford did make a great throw to Heath that was about a half an inch off. I think it was Pratt who hit Melton on a big throw. They'll be fine(though this game may have helped get one to the PS). Finally-5 Breakout players. Zach Tom? I think he's already broken out. Slaton? Not sure I see that one but hope so. I'll keep screaming it's Wyatt. He's going to be a difference-maker. I really hope Jordan Morgan is one also... https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2024/08/18/under-the-radar-packers-players-who-could-break-out-in-2024/

I didn't watch this game close enough to see that or notice. We getting whipped inside, but where I'd normally rewind it, I didn't feel real compelled! I saw a Mosby play(sure there were a few, just not watching too close again). Hopper was the guy who played who looked like a potential dude to me. Maybe not this year, but next? I see for the first time why they really went after him. One Gap LB but this could be a REAL fun LB trio in a year with Quay and Coop getting some crazy drops in that C2 and Hopper just blowing things up! Weak spot had to be the IOL, right? The OTs were alright. You could get by with a Telfort, Jones, Dillard maybe. You'd have to slide to help, but...you'll live. Bakh would be awesome, but short of that, we need to add someone there. Pugh if healthy, Glowinski, and Halapoulivaati Vaitai if he's willing to play. Billy Turner is also a FA. That'd be some depth, he knows the system and you can't have Rhyan as our backup, or worse yet, Newman. BTW, top 5 most likely to break out. 1-Tom already has, so he'd have to be AP level. Possible. Wicks, LVN...Brooks and Slaton. Slaton is a run stuffer, early downs. He just needs to be who he's been, but I I'm gonna keep saying it, Wyatt should be atop this list. LVN will be a 7-8 sack guy, play good run D, Wicks, sure. All the natural 1-gap DL(so all but Slaton who I think will be important, just not "breakout"). https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/under-the-radar-packers-players-who-could-break-out-in-2024/ar-AA1p0Pur Still unchanged. This is a team that can win a SB if the defense can be a top ~10 defense. Stacked offense and Love will be ready. Oh, and I really liked King at CB/S.

Just the one cut down now. They go from 90 to 53 and then back to 69(70 with the international exemption) with the PS.

Well hell, you got to see the highlights!

The product is obviously worse, but I like the way it is now. I didn't like forcing guys to play who you knew were gonna make the roster. Plus, it gives guys more looks. Absolutely brutal though. We're supposed to be so deep...and I think we are in spots like WR, DL, maybe CB, but OL needs help and they just looked bad even for the preseason.

Believe it or not, this was...particularly bad. This was bad for Preseason Football. It was a lot of work to try and come up with some players who looked good in any phase of the game.

This is true. Love himself said they didn't look good. Whatever...give me the starters and I'm liking our chances.

Ok...so...list of players who've looked good this game. Cox Jr Ford Hopper Caleb Jones Kalen King has looked like a physical dude. I think he's more of a safety/corner hybrid. uh...Dubose had a couple nice plays. Heath won on a few routes just not great placement. Welch looked...pretty good(for a guy who'll probably be on the PS). Morton had a good player. Really slim pickings this game. I've never seen a more disinterested Packers team in the Pre-season. There was a game vs Carolina a few years ago, maybe 2018 or so that was bad. And...as I was writing that, we dropped the punt. They quite literally, dropped the ball! Oh well, IT'S PRE-SEASON! It doesn't count! But my god was this ugly.

This hasn't been a strength of the Packers in a while. Their defense was surprisingly good last year, but converting on offense...outside of Aaron Jones, they were not good.

He looks afraid of contact. I heard he looked good at practice at WR...but at LEAST he needs some time to put on some good weight. Dubose just made a great play on STs. That could really help him.

Probably...I'm still hoping Wilson can make it, but IF someone goes down and one of these guys has to play(other than Wilson) I think we're in trouble....or more likely looking at other teams Practice Squads.

Wilson makes good reads and is a big boy. Not a great game, but he's making the right reads and not easy to bring down. BUT, aside from him...I'm not even seeing a guy worth at PS spot.

This is why Jones was so damn good in short yardage. Good, quick decision-making and...he would hit the hole and go. Wilson looks pretty good. Hope Lloyd and Jacobs can convert in short yardage.

What is going on here? They're talking about pad level for the RBs...how about EYE level! Caleb Jones moved his man about 5 yards back...little jump cut behind the LT/LG and...he's getting a 1st down. Our backup RBs been watching too much AJ Dillon...

LOL...he's got one catch for 4 yards! You're acting like we're going to move on from Antonio Gates for Sims or Davis!

I wasn't watching that kick real closely. Snap and hold both good?

Wilson looks good as a pass catcher, but I don't think he's going to fit what they're looking for out of their 3rd TE...namely the blocking and STs play.

Have you followed the last two Packers pre-seasons?

Really want to see something from Melton and Caleb Jones here. I thought Melton would be a lock, but...he's been inconsistent. *I will not buy into the Toure hype.