Sorry, I meant moving runners over via a walk or hit, not making outs. If you want to argue that a player getting on base more than Cam at the expense of power might be more valuable, that's more than reasonable. That's not what people are arguing though. It's always "his OBP and SLG is decent but he strikes out too much." That's the wrong way to evaluate offensive performance, as a player's K rate has only a very small impact on his offensive value, relative to his OBP and SLG. This has been looked at every which way (historical data at the season level, inning level, simulations and they've all concluded that K rate correlates to scoring so weakly that the vast majority of run estimators ignore it altogether. Perhaps some teams can better control when they make certain kinds of outs, better than the average team. Again, though, we are talking about some small effects. The higher the run scoring environment is, the less value productive outs have. A double is a productive out without the out. Blame the small parks and large playersif you don't like it. I'm not sure that I do.