Wisconsin Football 2022- The Jim Leonhard Show ends, the Luke Fickell era begins

[SomewhereInTime]

4 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I guess it's possible. But the NFL would need to undergo a massive expansion first, to accommodate the other 150 QBs in college who are better than him.?

I agree it would probably take the league tripling or quadrupling in size to find an NFL roster sport for Mertz.

[areacodes]

3 hours ago, SomewhereInTime said:

I take it back, 150 is too low, I think that number just went above 200.  I'll take all D2 QBs and easily all the WIAC QBs in D3 now too.

I cannot wait until Mertz announces his trip to the transfer portal after the season.

I know I’m wasting bandwidth by even replying and you’ve lost all credibility in my eyes, and I’m sure many others on this board, regarding pretty much anything Badgers football related.  

What absurd criteria are you now using to say 200+? Go ahead, show us your list of QB’s and why they are better.  

Did they snub you and thought that is why you had to play D3? Just trying to figure out what is causing your inability to have any objectivity and serious discussion about this subject.

[Jim French Stepstool]

26 minutes ago, areacodes said:

I know I’m wasting bandwidth by even replying and you’ve lost all credibility in my eyes, and I’m sure many others on this board, regarding pretty much anything Badgers football related.  

What absurd criteria are you now using to say 200+? Go ahead, show us your list of QB’s and why they are better.  

Did they snub you and thought that is why you had to play D3? Just trying to figure out what is causing your inability to have any objectivity and serious discussion about this subject.

It's the bane of internet message boards, there's always going to be someone like that. It's best to just accept it for its' only value.... comic relief.

It certainly DOES sound like some sort of irrational bitterness. The next step, of course, is denial.

[SomewhereInTime]

39 minutes ago, areacodes said:

I know I’m wasting bandwidth by even replying and you’ve lost all credibility in my eyes, and I’m sure many others on this board, regarding pretty much anything Badgers football related.  

What absurd criteria are you now using to say 200+? Go ahead, show us your list of QB’s and why they are better.  

Did they snub you and thought that is why you had to play D3? Just trying to figure out what is causing your inability to have any objectivity and serious discussion about this subject.

I just don't like the direction this program has gone.  The players are much worse than they were when they were good.  I think they have a terrible QB, an underachieving offensive line, and they run a poor offensive system.

As I've said though, I'm really happy they fired the coach.  I look forward to the upcoming transfer portal that will hopefully clear this roster a bit while new players are brought in.

[SomewhereInTime]

8 minutes ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

It's the bane of internet message boards, there's always going to be someone like that. It's best to just accept it for its' only value.... comic relief.

It certainly DOES sound like some sort of irrational bitterness. The next step, of course, is denial.

Irrational?  You know this is the worst season in decades right?  They're going to miss a bowl game, they've already fired the coach.  Hopefully this is rock bottom after struggling the last couple years but it could be dark times ahead.  I'd rather not see things go the route of Nebraska.

[UpandIn]

8 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I guess it's possible. But the NFL would need to undergo a massive expansion first, to accommodate the other 150 QBs in college who are better than him.?

?

[Jim French Stepstool]

On 10/20/2022 at 7:08 AM, areacodes said:

 

Prove it. Show me 150+ QB’s who are better and why. I’m sure I’ll be waiting a long time…

Needs more time. He recently added 50 more to the list.?

[Brewcrew82]

14 hours ago, areacodes said:

So, no - you aren’t able to back up the statement you made, and then doubled down on, that there are 150+ QB’s better than Mertz. In fact you said there are “easily” 150 QB’s who are better than him in college.

Making definitive statements like that and then hiding behind the lame statement above loses you any credibility you may have had on this topic. I’d say pick out a different way than QB rating to compare QB’s and show me 150+ that are easily better but I know you won’t. (Hint: that is because it isn’t possible)

Actually, you're forgetting the D3 QB he played against. So, it's more like 151 QBs

[Brewcrew82]

There's hating on Graham Mertz, and there's whatever this discussion has turned into...200 QBs, including all of D2 and D3 WIAC, are better than the third ranked passer in the BIG????....SMH

[Brewcrew82]

1 hour ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Irrational?  You know this is the worst season in decades right?  They're going to miss a bowl game, they've already fired the coach.  Hopefully this is rock bottom after struggling the last couple years but it could be dark times ahead.  I'd rather not see things go the route of Nebraska.

Some of us are actually fans/alumni and have a pretty darn good idea of what currently ails the program....Graham Mertz is down on the list atm...

[areacodes]

20 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

There's hating on Graham Mertz, and there's whatever this discussion has turned into...200 QBs, including all of D2 and D3 WIAC, are better than the third ranked passer in the BIG????....SMH

Look at these stellar stats against D3 teams.  It is obvious they are all so much better than Mertz.
 

Cade Garcia (UW-La Crosse) - 163.7

Evan Lewandowski (UW-Whitewater) - 146.4

Kaleb Blaha (UW-River Falls) - 141.1

Kobe Berghammer (UW-Oshkosh) - 138.8

Sean Borgerding (UW-Stout) - 138.0

Harry Roubidoux (UW-Eau Claire) - 114.6

Braeden Katcher (UW-Platteville) - 101.4

Nathan Shackelford (UW-Platteville) - 96.4

Trey Schroeder (UW-Stevens Point) - 87.8

[areacodes]

2 hours ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

It's the bane of internet message boards, there's always going to be someone like that. It's best to just accept it for its' only value.... comic relief.

It certainly DOES sound like some sort of irrational bitterness. The next step, of course, is denial.

While that may be true, one thing that has long set Brewerfan apart was the expectation that you backed up your opinions with actual data/stats/thought process and didn’t just troll.

[Brewcrew82]

15 minutes ago, areacodes said:

While that may be true, one thing that has long set Brewerfan apart was the expectation that you backed up your opinions with actual data/stats/thought process and didn’t just troll.

In the Hader thread yesterday, there was literally someone (one of the newer accounts) who told posters to "quit using stats to back up a statement"....

[SomewhereInTime]

42 minutes ago, areacodes said:

While that may be true, one thing that has long set Brewerfan apart was the expectation that you backed up your opinions with actual data/stats/thought process and didn’t just troll.

It's college football.  There is no individual statistic that means anything when you are talking about a sample size of 6 or 7 games this year and everybody playing different opponents.  It's literally a sport of film study to evaluate players.  There is not going to be a concrete answer to Badger offensive struggles that can be proven by numbers that point to individual players.  This is especially true when much of the blame falls at the hands of poor offensive line play.  I can't point to a statistic that tells me Furtney is a bad option at RG, I just know it from watching him play.

[SomewhereInTime]

56 minutes ago, areacodes said:

Look at these stellar stats against D3 teams.  It is obvious they are all so much better than Mertz.
 

Cade Garcia (UW-La Crosse) - 163.7

Evan Lewandowski (UW-Whitewater) - 146.4

Kaleb Blaha (UW-River Falls) - 141.1

Kobe Berghammer (UW-Oshkosh) - 138.8

Sean Borgerding (UW-Stout) - 138.0

Harry Roubidoux (UW-Eau Claire) - 114.6

Braeden Katcher (UW-Platteville) - 101.4

Nathan Shackelford (UW-Platteville) - 96.4

Trey Schroeder (UW-Stevens Point) - 87.8

Easily nine of the 200+.  I did forget to mention there are a lot of good HS QBs out there as well, especially the ones at the power programs committed to SEC schools.  I'd take a dozen of them over Mertz as well.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

It's college football.  There is no individual statistic that means anything when you are talking about a sample size of 6 or 7 games this year and everybody playing different opponents.  It's literally a sport of film study to evaluate players.  There is not going to be a concrete answer to Badger offensive struggles that can be proven by numbers that point to individual players.  This is especially true when much of the blame falls at the hands of poor offensive line play.  I can't point to a statistic that tells me Furtney is a bad option at RG, I just know it from watching him play.

The gurus at PFF literally do nothing but watch film and grade players. Mertz is still the 5th ranked QB in the BIG. with one of the highest "big throw percentages" in all of CFB...

[SomewhereInTime]

4 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

The gurus at PFF literally do nothing but watch film and grade players. Mertz is still the 5th ranked QB in the BIG. with one of the highest "big throw percentages" in all of CFB...

Out of the ones who play.  He's probably 4th or 5th on the depth chart at Ohio St/Michigan.

[Brewcrew82]

2 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Easily nine of the 200+.  I did forget to mention there are a lot of good HS QBs out there as well, especially the ones at the power programs committed to SEC schools.  I'd take a dozen of them over Mertz as well.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME. You're actually saying that Troy Schroeder of UW Steven's Point, with a rating of 87.3 against OTHER D3 TEAMS is better than Mertz, who has rating of 157.7 in the second-best conference in all of CFB. Now, you're just trolling....

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, SomewhereInTime said:

Out of the ones who play.  He's probably 4th or 5th on the depth chart at Ohio St/Michigan.

Uh, no...His PFF grade is even better than Michigan's starter JJ McCarthy. Not that I would necessarily take Mertz over McCarthy, but still. You're a troll and a Badger-hater. Please stop spewing complete nonsense. 

[SomewhereInTime]

1 minute ago, Brewcrew82 said:

ARE YOU KIDDING ME. You're actually saying that Troy Schroeder of UW Steven's Point, with a rating of 87.3 against OTHER D3 TEAMS is better than Mertz, who has rating of 157.7 in the second-best conference in all of CFB. Now, you're just trolling....

The number just went up to 250.  I forgot to take into account receivers and backs at other schools who played QB in high school.

And Braelon Allen.  If they just direct snapped to him every play and let him throw maybe five times a game it'd probably improve the offense.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, SomewhereInTime said:

The number just went up to 250.  I forgot to take into account receivers and backs at other schools who played QB in high school.

And Braelon Allen.  If they just direct snapped to him every play and let him throw maybe five times a game it'd probably improve the offense.

Ok, troll. 

[SomewhereInTime]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Uh, no...His PFF grade is even better than Michigan's starter JJ McCarthy. Not that I would necessarily take Mertz over McCarthy, but still. You're a troll and a Badger-hater. Please stop spewing complete nonsense. 

This is a bizzaro Badger discussion on this forum.  I mean it's a miserable awful football team with a bad QB, most people aren't very high on them right now, but the Brewers go one year with a winning record and no postseason and it's time to blow it up, fire stearns, etc according to many who post on this Brewer forum.

[SomewhereInTime]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Ok, troll. 

Since you love QB rating so much, I just decided to pick the guy with a higher QB rating, which would be Allen.

[Brewcrew82]

1 minute ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Since you love QB rating so much, I just decided to pick the guy with a higher QB rating, which would be Allen.

Compared to the mountains of statistical evidence you've provided...

[Brewcrew82]

12 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

This is a bizzaro Badger discussion on this forum.  I mean it's a miserable awful football team with a bad QB, most people aren't very high on them right now, but the Brewers go one year with a winning record and no postseason and it's time to blow it up, fire stearns, etc according to many who post on this Brewer forum.

Badgers already fired their HC (as deserved), and most fans/alums, like myself, have accepted that the team is in a rebuilding phase and are just simply looking for growth over the course of the rest of the season. 

As for the Brewers, you haven't seen a single call to fire CC/Stearns or blow the team up come from my keyboard, or that of the vast majority of posters here. It's only a few loud ones who don't like to think rationally much like yourself with regard to Graham Mertz.