Game 7: Green Bay @ Washington - Sunday October 23rd 12:00 PM CT

[yourout]

5 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

Gute and the entire MLF coaching staff deserves to be fired.

We now know what he looks like without all world ARod and it's not good 

 

[HarryDoyle]

So what's more embarrassing, Losing to Zach Wilson and Taylor Heinecke back to back weeks or Mitch Trubisky and P.J. Walker?

[MrTPlush]

Just now, SomewhereInTime said:

After last year's debacle vs SF it should've happened.  Three awful choke jobs in a row in the playoffs is more than enough, at least this year they won't make it four in a row.

This isn’t just personal thing, the absolute flurry of boneheaded plays on both offense and defense is staggering…and it was on full stage today. MLF isn’t that good head coach and the rest of his coaching staff isn’t even teaching basics. A 4th and 1 Sammy Watkins is blowing a block and J. Alexander is intentionally trying to tackle a guy in bounds at the end of a game. This is veterans making impressively dumb mistakes.

Will they make a change? Probably not, probably not till Rodgers retires. Whatever.

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, HarryDoyle said:

So what's more embarrassing, Losing to Zach Wilson and Taylor Heinecke back to back weeks or Mitch Trubisky and P.J. Walker?

It doesn't matter what the name of the opposing team's QB is when you can't stop the run and blow coverages all day long.

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, MrTPlush said:

This isn’t just personal thing, the absolute flurry of boneheaded plays on both offense and defense is staggering…and it was on full stage today. MLF isn’t that good head coach and the rest of his coaching staff isn’t even teaching basics. A 4th and 1 Sammy Watkins is blowing a block and J. Alexander is intentionally trying to tackle a guy in bounds at the end of a game. This is veterans making impressively dumb mistakes.

Will they make a change? Probably not, probably not till Rodgers retires. Whatever.

And even worse is the amount of quit this team has in them.  They end up in a lot of obvious run situations where the opponent is trying to burn clock in the 4th quarter by running and they can't stop it, with like six first round picks lined up on defense, they can't stop basic running plays.  Offensively, seems like after a turnover or drop, they go into a shell and the missed assignments just pile up.

[HarryDoyle]

[SomewhereInTime]

I know there was some BS flag on that last play, but if Runyan catches that ball on a bounce, he might be able to get into the endzone.  That was almost the greatest last second play ever.

[Sixtolezcano]

4 hours ago, adambr2 said:

I can't believe I'm saying this but we need to find our next franchise QB in the '23 draft. Stroud and Young will likely be out of reach but the class is absolutely loaded. Levis and Hooker very likely in play. 

I’m not too sure that either Stroud or Young are outside their draft position. After all they’ve won only 3 games thus far, with Rogers and his injured thumb, a grossly overrated defense, no viable wide receivers and a poor offensive line. They might be right on track to draft either one of those 2 QB’s.

[adambr2]

If Rodgers is getting on Amari for the play I think he is, I'm at a loss for words. It was a badly overthrown ball and Amari laid out for it. It would have taken a Herculean effort to make the catch. 

[HarryDoyle]

37 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

If Rodgers is getting on Amari for the play I think he is, I'm at a loss for words. It was a badly overthrown ball and Amari laid out for it. It would have taken a Herculean effort to make the catch. 

There were also seven or eight passes that could've been thrown accurately as well. 

[adambr2]

Should be 6̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶1̶ ̶ ̶ ̶5̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶2̶ ̶ ̶ ̶4̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶3̶ 3 and 4 headed into Buffalo. 

[GAME05]

Either Rodgers is over the hill or his thumb is bad enough he shouldn't be playing or both. No accuracy on his deep throws anymore and even his short stuff isn't that great. Even his body language says he's just totally given up. Certainly can't help with the staff he has to throw to. Then you'd think if you can't pass you'd make this a running team with arguably the best RB combo in the League, but Dillon must have insulted MLF's mother or something.

 

[CheezWizHed]

Amari Rodgers muffs another punt... Not sure why he is our punt returner. He showed in the preseason that he couldn't reliably catch a punt. Not really electric as a returner anyway.

OL actually held up pretty well; granted they did a lot of short passes, but improved from last week. 

Rodgers was pretty erratic.  Spot on one throw and shoe-lace high the next.  

Defense was actually decent, but frankly I think they wore down.  

Douglas was everywhere.  Stokes is struggling in his second year.  Amos had a nice game. Finally using Alexander the right way, but he didn't have as good of a game this week. 

Enagbare had a nice game again.  Total effort sack but continues to get pressure. Hamilton didn't really add anything. 

If we didn't have Jones, I'm not sure what I'd do on offense. Why did we barely use him last week again? 

Our second half adjustments (i.e. the lack of any) once again showed up.  I'm just not getting our offense anymore. 

 

[SomewhereInTime]

3 hours ago, GAME05 said:

Either Rodgers is over the hill or his thumb is bad enough he shouldn't be playing or both. No accuracy on his deep throws anymore and even his short stuff isn't that great. Even his body language says he's just totally given up. Certainly can't help with the staff he has to throw to. Then you'd think if you can't pass you'd make this a running team with arguably the best RB combo in the League, but Dillon must have insulted MLF's mother or something.

 

It's funny you mention that because that's exactly what the Packers did back in '03 when Favre hurt his thumb.  Take a look at the year Ahman Green had.

[UpandIn]

5 hours ago, adambr2 said:

If Rodgers is getting on Amari for the play I think he is, I'm at a loss for words. It was a badly overthrown ball and Amari laid out for it. It would have taken a Herculean effort to make the catch. 

That's...Jesus. I love Rodgers, but how are you putting that on Amari? You didn't put enough under it. He had to lay out and if he makes that catch, we're talking about one of the best catches we've seen a Packer WRer make in a while. 

I'm not sure he can't be a solid WRer in the NFL after watching him today, I'm just pretty sure it WON'T be in Green Bay with Rodgers. 

The nerve to blame Amari there? That's not a play I expect either player to make. Rolling to your right, throwing it 45 yards downfield and dropping it right in there, but that's a play I expect Rodgers to make MUCH more than I expect Amari to catch it. 

The Packers issues right now;

1-Despite what I just said, our WRers aren't good enough. Defenses can crowd us and drop 7. We can't create much separation. 
2-OL-With poor separation created, Rodgers needs a cleaner pocket. 
3-Rodgers leadership

I wouldn't normally speak on the last one because...I just don't know. But the body language, the comments after the game, not taking the blame(Even if it's not on you, you don't pass it off on someone else when you're supposed to be the unquestioned leader IMO...then again, Brady acts like a clown as well and he's been to 10 SBs. But when you've only been to 1, shut up, say it ends with me like Matt LaFleur does and sit down). 

 

Honestly...the last couple times I've had this little faith we could win a SB at this point in the season was...when we lost Jordy and James Jones was brought back. We had similar issues creating separation. And then maybe 2010 when it seemed like we were a year away given all the injuries. 

 

The good news, the 49ers and Buccs are also 3-4. 
-MAYBE they will actually stick with the plan and not have Bakh practice 3 days in a row(for whatever bizarre reason they had him practice the last 5 or 6 practices in a row the last couple weeks). 
-They could trade for an impact WRer. Someone like DJ Moore...if he's available or someone else who can beat man coverage. That AND Watson coming back and again, at least being MVS would be nice.
I think the defense is mostly alright, they're just on the field so much for long stretches. 

 

I know Rodgers said the front office has been in touch with him and discussed some players they're targeting, but...you REALLY need some sort of commitment from him that he's going to be here next year. Love DJ Moore. He could be a big part of this team for the next 5 years. I do NOT love him enough to give up a 1st round pick and roll the dice it's going to end up being a pick in the 20s if Rodgers is going to walk away next year.

[UpandIn]

That said, when Rodgers was asked if he had confidence this offense could turn it around and they could go on a run, he said, "You're ******* right." 

So...I don't know, that's something. It doesn't match his on field body language, but it's something. 

[UpandIn]

3 hours ago, GAME05 said:

Either Rodgers is over the hill or his thumb is bad enough he shouldn't be playing or both. No accuracy on his deep throws anymore and even his short stuff isn't that great. Even his body language says he's just totally given up. Certainly can't help with the staff he has to throw to. Then you'd think if you can't pass you'd make this a running team with arguably the best RB combo in the League, but Dillon must have insulted MLF's mother or something.

 

They did a great job trying to get the ball to Jones. 

I really have come to the conclusion that Dillon is a bad fit in this system. He does not have very good vision and he's not really getting any extra yards. 

Aaron Jones is SO much better right now. Maybe Dillon is just pressing...and he has been pretty good out of the backfield, but he needs to get the ball going downfield where as Jones can and should get it in any situation. 

I wanted Antonio Gibson coming out of College...and then I thought Dillon looked like a great fit and Gibson might be a little redundant with Jones. But AJ is just not getting better. He's not patient and again, he misses some OBVIOUS holes. 

Maybe the revamped OL starts creating more holes, but, but in 2003, we at least had an elite OL. This team doesn't until or if Bakh can stay on the field. 

[MrTPlush]

After muffing the punt Rodgers can steamroll Amari right off the roster for all I care. He sucks.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I can't fathom how the Packers only ran the ball 12 damn times yesterday in that game....Redskins spent most of the game in cover 2 with only 7 in the box and the Packers tried throwing 35 times into it and got killed in time of possession, wearing out their defense once again.

I think Dillon is a bad fit in a system that that runs most of its plays out of the shotgun and has so much RPO built into it.  He'd be better off in an I-formation, single back set, or even pistol set where it's more of a power running, downhill gameplan.  Frankly the O-line and overall offensive personnel would probably be better to set up in more power formations with two TEs and two receivers - go run heavy and rely on play action to get receivers open.

I'm guessing too much of this past offseason was spent trying to figure out personnel groupings to get both Dillon and Jones on the field together or be interchangeable parts of the offense instead of designing varied personnel groupings to compliment each back individually when they were on the field - and it's turned the running game into being an afterthought and the passing game into what looks like a D3 college spread scheme.

[homer]

Is this what it's like to be a Bears fan?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

11 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I can't fathom how the Packers only ran the ball 12 damn times yesterday in that game....Redskins spent most of the game in cover 2 with only 7 in the box and the Packers tried throwing 35 times into it and got killed in time of possession, wearing out their defense once again.

I think Dillon is a bad fit in a system that that runs most of its plays out of the shotgun and has so much RPO built into it.  He'd be better off in an I-formation, single back set, or even pistol set where it's more of a power running, downhill gameplan.  Frankly the O-line and overall offensive personnel would probably be better to set up in more power formations with two TEs and two receivers - go run heavy and rely on play action to get receivers open.

I'm guessing too much of this past offseason was spent trying to figure out personnel groupings to get both Dillon and Jones on the field together or be interchangeable parts of the offense instead of designing varied personnel groupings to compliment each back individually when they were on the field - and it's turned the running game into being an afterthought and the passing game into what looks like a D3 college spread scheme.

Dillon is a great fit for the type of offense Lafleur wants to run. Aaron Rodgers isn't.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Dillon is a great fit for the type of offense Lafleur wants to run. Aaron Rodgers isn't.

Agreed - and I think that's a big part of why the offense seems so disjointed so far this season...it's like Rodgers forgot about the last two regular seasons of offensive production simply because Adams isn't in Green Bay anymore.  That despite the fact the Packer offense played just fine in games without Adams the previous few seasons.

One thing I really, really miss from the early McCarthy years on offense is how many different personnel groupings he'd send out during the course of a game, and have some really innovative playcalls from that to pick on a specific defender or area of the field they identified as a weak spot using different skill position players - it kept those Packer teams from being predictable, and also allowed a talented QB like Rodgers (who was still learning defenses) make plays on his own when things broke down/scramble drill.  Rodgers isn't that guy anymore with a bit more limited mobility and a receiving corps that isn't nearly as experienced with what to do when a play breaks down.  I think this Packers' offensive roster and MLF could do alot of the same things those 2009-2011 Packers teams did with varying personnel packages and having their personnel dictate what a defense can or can't do - but too much of the offense looks like Rodgers making changes at the line from predictable formations with receivers who aren't on the same page as #12 behind an O-line that just isn't playing well.

 

[CheezWizHed]

So we all can agree that the game was brutal to watch as a Packer fan.

But it was also overall brutal to watch... The officials weren't horrid on flags, but my goodness they were s.....l......o.......w.... 

And the pair calling the game was trash.  Maybe they had mic issues?  But early in the game there were long gaps with no one talking...but that was actually better than when they did talk.  Lots of obvious incorrect analysis, calls, etc... Not quite Jerry Glanville bad, but easily matching Maddon/Summerall at the end of their careers. 

[yourout]

Fun day today.... Had a root canal and it was more enjoyable than watching the Packers

[UpandIn]

7 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

Dillon is a great fit for the type of offense Lafleur wants to run. Aaron Rodgers isn't.

Disagree. You need good vision to play in LaFleur's system. Dillon does not have that. He's better in a power scheme where they double and he can hit the hole running downhill. He doesn't have a great first step...unlike Jones. 

 

Rodgers fits literally every scheme save for some college like option scheme or RPO's where he's the R option. SF, LAR, they all wanted him for this system. 

The problem isn't his fit right now, it SEEMS like it's his ego. I'm not hearing him take any blame, I don't hear him shouldering the appropriate amount of blame and instead passing it off. But that's not a schematic issue, that's a 38 year old 2X reigning MVP Rodgers issue where he's just not being a great leader.