Burnes hires BorasCorp for representation

[Brock Beauchamp]

Burnes' chances of testing free agency bumps from 98% to 100%.

(Heyman later corrected himself about when Burnes becomes a free agent)

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

9 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Burnes' chances of testing free agency bumps from 98% to 100%.

(Heyman later corrected himself about when Burnes becomes a free agent)

 

Let's be honest, it was always 100% since he won the Cy in 2021.  This doesn't really change anything aside from his old representation missing out on their own payday whenever Burnes signs a free agent deal.  Frankly a big part of this is probably poor representation that led to Burnes' failed arby case to begin with.

Maybe this will actually lead to him agreeing to a 2024 arbitration salary with whatever team he's a part of next offseason - Borascorp helped Prince lock in the last two years of Brewers' team control with a contract that avoided year 2 and 3 arby hearings.

 

[Brewcrew82]

Again, hoping for a 2nd Cy Young, and a haul for a package of him/Willy this offseason to the Dodgers. 

[MrTPlush]

This is likely Corbin Burnes being upset he lost and making his former agency the scapegoat.

So now he is going to sign with the supposed greatest agency since sliced bread for his big FA contract.

[Brock Beauchamp]

25 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Again, hoping for a 2nd Cy Young, and a haul for a package of him/Willy this offseason to the Dodgers. 

I wonder what the Dodgers will do with payroll in the coming offseason. I think it's inevitable they aggressively pursue Ohtani. It's such a natural fit. Ohtani wants to win and already plays in LA. Would the Dodgers also blow things open with a blockbuster trade like that? It's entirely possible, I won't put anything past that franchise.

[wiguy94]

Burnes chance of testing FA was already 100% before this happened. 

[clancyphile]

17 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Burnes chance of testing FA was already 100% before this happened. 

It just means an offseason trade in 2023 just went to 100%. 😟

[brewmann04]

 I cant wait to see thae fans reaction when he moves on from the Crew.

Think we all seen this coming . 

 

[wibadgers23]

25 minutes ago, clancyphile said:

It just means an offseason trade in 2023 just went to 100%. 😟

Or mid-season 2023 if the Brewers are even remotely out of it.

[monty57]

I'm liking Burnes less and less as this offseason progresses. He complained about arbitration when his hearing wasn't any different than every other player who goes through that process; he complained about the pitch clock, when every player is in the same situation and very few are publicly whining; he turned down an invitation to play for Team USA in the WBC because it could hurt his chance for a big payday while other players (including his Brewer teammates) gushed about how great an experience it was; and now he's signing with Boras.

I hope he pitches well this year because it will help the Brewers and help get a better return when he's traded. I won't shed a tear when he and Lauer are no longer on the roster complaining about everything, and the team can go back to playing baseball without the drama.

[KeithStone53151]

I've always judged the players a bit that sign with Boras. Going to Boras like he did is a clear indication that he's going to test free agency and go for max $ no matter what. That's the Boras way We all knew he was going to test free agency by applying minimal logical thought, but this is the first clear indication he intends to do so in my opinion.

[Brewcrew82]

5 minutes ago, monty57 said:

I'm liking Burnes less and less as this offseason progresses. He complained about arbitration when his hearing wasn't any different than every other player who goes through that process; he complained about the pitch clock, when every player is in the same situation and very few are publicly whining; he turned down an invitation to play for Team USA in the WBC because it could hurt his chance for a big payday while other players (including his Brewer teammates) gushed about how great an experience it was; and now he's signing with Boras.

I hope he pitches well this year because it will help the Brewers and help get a better return when he's traded. I won't shed a tear when he and Lauer are no longer on the roster complaining about everything, and the team can go back to playing baseball without the drama.

Why get mad about Burnes specifically for turning down the team USA invitation when literally EVERY OTHER American star pitcher did the same thing...

He's trying to make as much money as he can get, just like any of the rest of us would...Why should we proceed to cast stones at him, other than the fact that we're fans of a small-market ball-club. Blame the system, not the player.

Burnes is a class act who has given his all for this organization, and has been as dominant as any pitcher in our history. It sucks he'll be leaving, but it's not his fault.

[monty57]

25 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Why get mad about Burnes specifically for turning down the team USA invitation when literally EVERY OTHER American star pitcher did the same thing...

Williams didn't. The Cardinals' pitchers didn't. But that was only one of the reasons I said I'm liking him less and less as the offseason goes on.

I have no problem with players going year-to-year and trying to make the most possible money. Take Prince Fielder for instance. He continued to play hard and remained a team leader. He never badmouthed the team, never complained, just went out and played hard. Then he signed a monster deal with another team, and I think everyone still remembers him fondly even though he left for more money.

In arby, every other Brewer (including the other stars Woodruff and Adames) signed instead of going to a hearing. It's Burnes' choice to go to the hearing, and he knew what to expect but he still chose to publicly complain and badmouth the team after the hearing. A lot of players have been through arby hearings. Some win, some lose, and everyone says it's a tough process, but I don't recall anyone ever throwing a fit about it like he did. 

Then he did an interview to complain about the pitch clock. Not a big deal in an of itself, but he's showing himself to be quite the whiner. Every player is dealing with the new rules and most other players aren't complaining to reporters about them. Just shut up, pitch the ball and you'll be one of the highest paid people on the planet. 

Contract-wise, Woodruff and Adames are going through the same thing he is at the same time. Neither is complaining. Frelick knows that he should be on the opening day roster, but he went out at the start of spring and said he expects to start the season in the minors, where he'll work hard on things to make it to the majors. Of course he knows that it's likely being done to cost him a year of free agency, and he's better than whatever AAAA stop-gap they put out there for a few weeks, but still no complaining.

The players and their agents know the rules. Most of them keep the complaints in-house. A very small subset choose to complain publicly. Burnes and Lauer appear to be leading the charge in that department. Maybe McCalvy is just really good at his getting players to "speak their minds," maybe they think they'll have something to gain by it, but it doesn't seem to me that it's good for anything, especially team morale. Team leaders don't run to reporters to air grievances. 

Maybe the team just needs to sit down and watch Bull Durham. 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, monty57 said:

Williams didn't. The Cardinals' pitchers didn't. But that was only one of the reasons I said I'm liking him less and less as the offseason goes on.

I have no problem with players going year-to-year and trying to make the most possible money. Take Prince Fielder for instance. He continued to play hard and remained a team leader. He never badmouthed the team, never complained, just went out and played hard. Then he signed a monster deal with another team, and I think everyone still remembers him fondly even though he left for more money.

In arby, every other Brewer (including the other stars Woodruff and Adames) signed instead of going to a hearing. It's Burnes' choice to go to the hearing, and he knew what to expect but he still chose to publicly complain and badmouth the team after the hearing. A lot of players have been through arby hearings. Some win, some lose, and everyone says it's a tough process, but I don't recall anyone ever throwing a fit about it like he did. 

Then he did an interview to complain about the pitch clock. Not a big deal in an of itself, but he's showing himself to be quite the whiner. Every player is dealing with the new rules and most other players aren't complaining to reporters about them. Just shut up, pitch the ball and you'll be one of the highest paid people on the planet. 

Contract-wise, Woodruff and Adames are going through the same thing he is at the same time. Neither is complaining. Frelick knows that he should be on the opening day roster, but he went out at the start of spring and said he expects to start the season in the minors, where he'll work hard on things to make it to the majors. Of course he knows that it's likely being done to cost him a year of free agency, and he's better than whatever AAAA stop-gap they put out there for a few weeks, but still no complaining.

The players and their agents know the rules. Most of them keep the complaints in-house. A very small subset choose to complain publicly. Burnes and Lauer appear to be leading the charge in that department. Maybe McCalvy is just really good at his getting players to "speak their minds," maybe they think they'll have something to gain by it, but it doesn't seem to me that it's good for anything, especially team morale. Team leaders don't run to reporters to air grievances. 

Maybe the team just needs to sit down and watch Bull Durham. 

The Cardinals pitchers are not stars. And Williams is a reliever. Again, every star American starting pitcher (Cole, DeGrom, Verlander, Scherzer, etc.) skipped the WBC. Absolutely ridiculous to develop a grudge against Burnes over that.

Honestly, all we should care about from Burnes is that he is productive and is a good teammate. He's been the #1 pitcher in baseball, so it's an emphatic yes to the first part.

Now, is he a bad teammate because he complained about how he was treated by the team in arbitration? Maybe @monty57thinks so, but it's highly unlikely his coaches and teammates feel the same way, which is what really matters. And, remember, unlike Lauer, Burnes didn't call out the front office after the Hader trade. All he said was that he was sad on a personal level about losing his friend, but that he understands it's a business.

[MrTPlush]

12 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

but that he understands it's a business.

The he handled the arbitration process...this statement is slightly questionable. 

[monty57]

8 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Honestly, all we should care about from Burnes is that he is productive and is a good teammate. 

 

Wonderful thing about this is that you and I can disagree about what players we like over others. "We" should care about what matters to each of us individually.

I much prefer the way Woodruff and Adames are going about their contract situation than the way Burnes is acting. I liked watching Urias tear it up in the WBC, and hearing Adames saying that representing his country in the WBC was right up there with the World Series for him.

I prefer players and managers who keep closed door meetings closed. Other fans may like hearing players make private conversations public. 

All I said is that I've liked him less and less as the offseason has went on. I added that I hope he pitches well so that he helps the Brewers, but that I won't miss the complaining when he's gone. I've always expected him to be traded prior to free agency.

If my comments have upset you, then I think it's safe to say that Burnes' comments have upset some of his teammates, and could be causing some dissent in the clubhouse, which is why I commented that it could hurt morale.

But, it's really not worth arguing over. I don't like him as much as I did prior to this offseason. You may like him more. I'm okay with that.

[Brewcrew82]

21 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

The he handled the arbitration process...this statement is slightly questionable. 

Maybe, but I was talking about his comments to the media following the Hader trade. In that context, it's a literal regurgitation of what he said....

[Brewcrew82]

17 minutes ago, monty57 said:

If my comments have upset you, then I think it's safe to say that Burnes' comments have upset some of his teammates, and could be causing some dissent in the clubhouse, which is why I commented that it could hurt morale.

But, it's really not worth arguing over. I don't like him as much as I did prior to this offseason. You may like him more. I'm okay with that.

Your comments don't upset me. They just don't make real sense to me, particularly your viewing of Burnes' skipping of the WBC as mark against him when every other star American pitcher declined the invite and that his critiques of the FO and the arbitration process would cause dissent amongst his fellow teammates, who are even more hurt by the system than he is.

[monty57]

7 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Your comments don't upset me. They just don't make real sense to me, particularly your viewing of Burnes' skipping of the WBC as mark against him when every other star American pitcher declined the invite and that his critiques of the FO and the arbitration process would cause dissent amongst his fellow teammates, who are even more hurt by the system than he is.

You're right, it's a mark against all the star American pitchers who declined their invitations, and Burnes is one of them. Whether it was a group decision or just a coincidence, the American starters chose not to play, while all other players were honored to be selected to play for their countries.

But again, you're focusing really, really heavily on this one and ignoring the other, more pertinent things that have me calling him a whiner. None of the other American pitchers who declined their invitations also publicly badmouthed their team after a routine arby hearing, went out of their way to complain about the new rules, or tried to make their team look bad for their poor efforts at retaining him and then went out and signed the one agent known for always going after the top-dollar instead of negotiating early extensions.

It's the series of events that lead me to say "liking him less and less as the offseason progresses."

Everyone who has worked has had co-workers who do their job without complaint and co-workers who complain about everything... no one likes the co-workers who complain about everything, and they're never good for workplace morale.

Burnes is showing himself to be a whiner, and seems to epitomize the "pampered athlete." He can pitch, so I hope he does that well for one more year before he's traded. After that, I don't really care what he does.

[Brewcrew82]

"Players on the league's joint competition committee raised concerns and suggested several adjustments to the pitch timer recently, and the new changes are "important in my mind because they're responsive to things players said to us," commissioner Rob Manfred told the Associated Press. Other, more significant adjustments, could be made at a later date"

Oh no. Looks like there's even more "whiners" about the pitch clock than just Burnes...

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-rule-changes-league-to-tweak-pitch-clock-but-15-and-20-second-limits-remain-for-2023-season-per-report/

[SF70]

His calculated bashing of the team over his arbitration hearing was enough for me to dislike him now as well. Hoping the team gets offered a deal they can’t refuse this trade-deadline for Burnes. 

[Brewcrew82]

19 minutes ago, SF70 said:

His calculated bashing of the team over his arbitration hearing was enough for me to dislike him now as well. Hoping the team gets offered a deal they can’t refuse this trade-deadline for Burnes. 

And the team's bashing of him and his performance is okay? Just as the team was within its rights to do so in the arbitration setting, there's nothing that says Burnes can't express his frustrations publicly when pressed by a member of the media...

 

[SF70]

14 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

And the team's bashing of him and his performance is okay? Just as the team was within its rights to do so in the arbitration setting, there's nothing that says Burnes can't express his frustrations publicly when pressed by a member of the media...

 

Of course it’s ok. This is what all teams do with their players in trying to win their cases. Why is Burnes the ONLY player to publically rip his team? 

Burnes is a really smart guy. He knew his calculated words would make MKE look bad, but he didn’t care. 

I had to listen to the national media rip my team because they are ignorant of the reason teams like MKE or Atlanta take their best pitchers to the hearing over 740K or in the case of Atlanta, less than half of that.

Burnes disparaged my team and I’m not happy about it. 

[Brock Beauchamp]

23 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Of course it’s ok. This is what all teams do with their players in trying to win their cases. Why is Burnes the ONLY player to publically rip his team? 

Burnes is a really smart guy. He knew his calculated words would make MKE look bad, but he didn’t care. 

I had to listen to the national media rip my team because they are ignorant of the reason teams like MKE or Atlanta take their best pitchers to the hearing over 740K or in the case of Atlanta, less than half of that.

Burnes disparaged my team and I’m not happy about it. 

Perhaps the people you should be angry with are the people off the field, not the people on the field. 

[Brewcrew82]

46 minutes ago, SF70 said:

Of course it’s ok. This is what all teams do with their players in trying to win their cases. Why is Burnes the ONLY player to publically rip his team? 

Burnes is a really smart guy. He knew his calculated words would make MKE look bad, but he didn’t care. 

I had to listen to the national media rip my team because they are ignorant of the reason teams like MKE or Atlanta take their best pitchers to the hearing over 740K or in the case of Atlanta, less than half of that.

Burnes disparaged my team and I’m not happy about it. 

Except he didn't disparage the team. He disparaged the team's FO, which he believed made unfair and unnecessary comments about his performance last season. There's a difference....To be honest, I could care less about the front office so long as they're able to put high-quality players onto the field. The players are the ones who make up the team and are the reason why I watch. 

Believe it or not, Burnes is far from the first player to rip on a front office's handling of the arbitration process. He may have been the most outward this go around, but he's not the first, nor the last...It's the system that people should be mad at.

He's not out to make MKE or the team look bad; he's heaped nothing but praise onto the community, the fanbase, his teammates, etc.