Brewers (Peralta) vs Blue Jays (Gausman): 6/1/23, 12:07pm

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

Taylor IMO had some pretty good ABs early on, but not much to show for it. Now his ABs are getting worse if anything. Curious as well as disappointing.

Yeah I thought he was looking solid at first just with some unfortunate batted ball luck. I wonder if he has started to press a bit too much with the bad results trying to force a break out. Honestly I didn't think today was all that bad from him. He hit a nice liner that Kiermaier made a good play on and in another AB he hit a ball HR distance but just foul. Surely he can't keep hitting this poorly for much longer. Something has to give because he's not this bad.

[Fear The Chorizo]

2 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

I seriously wonder if the Brewers just rushed him back too soon because of all the OF injuries and Perkins looking so overwhelmed in the MLB. He didn't have any spring training and only played 5 rehab assignment games in AAA. He's never been an amazing player but he's also never looked this bad for this long before.

I think when your ceiling as MLB regular is that of a 4th OF with some pop and positional versatility, a player of Taylor's caliber will go through stretches where he's terrible offensively - particularly when there isn't more depth and talent on the roster to limit his ABs when he's not hitting well.

Agreed that a lack of spring training due to injury likely played a factor...but that being said he's got to be better than this.

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think when your ceiling as MLB regular is that of a 4th OF with some pop and positional versatility, a player of Taylor's caliber will go through stretches where he's terrible offensively - particularly when there isn't more depth and talent on the roster to limit his ABs when he's not hitting well.

Agreed that a lack of spring training due to injury likely played a factor...but that being said he's got to be better than this.

I just don't think that's his ceiling. He was basically any every day player from mid-June to the end of the season last year and had a 113 wRC+ in that time. He's definitely on the streaky side but he's never slumped like this before in his MLB career. I mean we are at like 80 PA and his wRC+ is in single digits.

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, mohlmonster said:

Nice AB by Monasterio, he was due for a hit against Gausman

After watching Monasterio for a few days, he's obviously limited but has something to hang his hat on. That is, his hands through the zone are pretty quick, but doesn't try to do too much. Rather than the quick hands causing him to want to get the bat head out quickly & be obsessed with pulling & exit velo, he uses it to give himself that extra split second to let the ball travel & make a better decision on whether to attack. It results in getting some better pitches to hit, which usually get hit in the middle of the diamond, which is fine. 

Sort of like our team approach in April, which hasn't completely disappeared but is much, much more intermittent.

[HarryDoyle]

The second time in a week that the lone run was scored on a GIDP.

[Jim French Stepstool]

2 hours ago, markedman5 said:

Before today……Freddy’s era/ops by inning

first 4.50/ 514

2nd 4.50/853

3rd 3.86/1019

4th 7.00/906

5th 2.00/672

6th 6.43/514

 

He doesn’t need an opener…….he needs to pitch better….throughout the game. 

I think Fred would benefit greatly if he still had Eric Kratz & Manny Pina to throw to. Not to disparage Contreras, you just can't acquire experience & poise w/o going through a lot of wars. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

42 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I just don't think that's his ceiling. He was basically any every day player from mid-June to the end of the season last year and had a 113 wRC+ in that time. He's definitely on the streaky side but he's never slumped like this before in his MLB career. I mean we are at like 80 PA and his wRC+ is in single digits.

That's a very small and likely unprojectable sample size for a guy at the MLB level, particularly one whose role up to that point was that of a part time player/utility OF who didn't get exposed with regular at bats.  It's actually hard for a position player to OPS below 0.450, so obviously Taylor is a better hitter than what he's shown so far this season - but I don't think ~3 months of steady playing time last season is enough to solidify the outlook that Taylor is an everyday outfielder at the MLB level.  Defensively he can be, but I don't trust his bat enough to view him as a longterm option as a Brewer unless that role is 4th/5th OF.

[rondoman]

Ooof.

Brewers May Offense Ranks in MLB

AVG- .219 (28th)
OBP- .291 (29th)
OPS - .660 (27th)
R/G - 3.4 (27th)
SO/G - 9.0 (10th) 1st is Worst 

Brewers May Pitching Ranks in MLB

ERA - 4.91 (27th)
WHIP - 1.40 (23rd)
SO/G - 8.0 (25th)

Crew was 11-16 in May.

[Jake McKibbin]

1 hour ago, treego14 said:

We avoid the shutout, BUT not the loss ...

We need more talent!

Open up the purse strings, Mark A!

Get a fair salary cap, MLB!

To be fair I think it's less purse strings and more prospect capital that's worth giving up

[brewers888]

Not only is this team bad but its incredibly boring. At least during the Melvin years we would lose 12-10 and see some offense but this lineup is total trash.

[wiguy94]

35 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

That's a very small and likely unprojectable sample size for a guy at the MLB level, particularly one whose role up to that point was that of a part time player/utility OF who didn't get exposed with regular at bats.  It's actually hard for a position player to OPS below 0.450, so obviously Taylor is a better hitter than what he's shown so far this season - but I don't think ~3 months of steady playing time last season is enough to solidify the outlook that Taylor is an everyday outfielder at the MLB level.  Defensively he can be, but I don't trust his bat enough to view him as a longterm option as a Brewer unless that role is 4th/5th OF.

I never said that he was a for sure every day player. Just that his ceiling is better than 4th OF.

[Team Canada]

1 hour ago, Jim French Stepstool said:

I think Fred would benefit greatly if he still had Eric Kratz & Manny Pina to throw to. Not to disparage Contreras, you just can't acquire experience & poise w/o going through a lot of wars. 

I'm not sure why you keep using Fred. It's not his name.

[wiguy94]

22 minutes ago, rondoman said:

Ooof.

Brewers May Offense Ranks in MLB

AVG- .219 (28th)
OBP- .291 (29th)
OPS - .660 (27th)
R/G - 3.4 (27th)
SO/G - 9.0 (10th) 1st is Worst 

Brewers May Pitching Ranks in MLB

ERA - 4.91 (27th)
WHIP - 1.40 (23rd)
SO/G - 8.0 (25th)

Crew was 11-16 in May.

I think the pitching numbers look worse than they actually are because of a few outlier run totals. If you take out the 12, 15, and 18 run totals then the pitching staff gave up 4.1 runs per game (not just earned runs) which is pretty solid.

[TURBO]

47 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I think the pitching numbers look worse than they actually are because of a few outlier run totals. If you take out the 12, 15, and 18 run totals then the pitching staff gave up 4.1 runs per game (not just earned runs) which is pretty solid.

Why would you take those games out?  They are part of the statistical totals, they are what they are.

Paint it any way you want, we suck in every aspect of the game right now.

You can maneuver and change any stats you want, it simply can't be denied.

[wiguy94]

11 minutes ago, TURBO said:

Why would you take those games out?  They are part of the statistical totals, they are what they are.

Paint it any way you want, we suck in every aspect of the game right now.

You can maneuver and change any stats you want, it simply can't be denied.

Because they are outliers that skew the overall performance?

[Ulice Payne]

2 hours ago, Team Canada said:

I'm not sure why you keep using Fred. It's not his name.

He should be called Fred.  He's pitched well enough to not have to be called Freddy anymore.  Hopefully he pitches even better and can earn the right to go by Frederick

[HarryDoyle]

34 minutes ago, Ulice Payne said:

He should be called Fred.  He's pitched well enough to not have to be called Freddy anymore.  Hopefully he pitches even better and can earn the right to go by Frederick

Or former Brewers trainer Freddie Frederico.

[yourout]

4 hours ago, rondoman said:

Ooof.

Brewers May Offense Ranks in MLB

AVG- .219 (28th)
OBP- .291 (29th)
OPS - .660 (27th)
R/G - 3.4 (27th)
SO/G - 9.0 (10th) 1st is Worst 

Brewers May Pitching Ranks in MLB

ERA - 4.91 (27th)
WHIP - 1.40 (23rd)
SO/G - 8.0 (25th)

Crew was 11-16 in May.

Honestly looking at the stats at the record could have been worse.

[Brock Beauchamp]

6 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

I think when your ceiling as MLB regular is that of a 4th OF with some pop and positional versatility, a player of Taylor's caliber will go through stretches where he's terrible offensively - particularly when there isn't more depth and talent on the roster to limit his ABs when he's not hitting well.

Agreed that a lack of spring training due to injury likely played a factor...but that being said he's got to be better than this.

I agree with all of this post but the quoted post has a point that complements it; if Taylor is a fringy guy, giving him only five games after a missed Spring Training is probably not doing the team any favors. I was actually going to start a thread about this a day or two ago but became distracted.

It felt like pushing too hard to the possible detriment of the team as a whole, and it's kinda turned out that way.

[Brock Beauchamp]

1 hour ago, yourout said:

Honestly looking at the stats at the record could have been worse.

That record could have been way worse. The Brewers are solidly above their pythag and BaseRuns records.

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

5 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

That record could have been way worse. The Brewers are solidly above their pythag and BaseRuns records.

This is the case for optimism from where I sit:

1) The schedule has been brutal and gets less so in June and July.

2) The team has ground out wins and avoided sweeps and generally maximized win totals during an awful stretch.

3) Injury luck has been bad and should hopefully improve.

4) The NL Central is bad. Somebody has to win it.

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

This is the case for optimism from where I sit:

1) The schedule has been brutal and gets less so in June and July.

2) The team has ground out wins and avoided sweeps and generally maximized win totals during an awful stretch.

3) Injury luck has been bad and should hopefully improve.

4) The NL Central is bad. Somebody has to win it.

I view it this way:

1. It's likely they keep getting offensive reinforcements from the minors or the current rookies establish themselves more

2. The rotation injuries have to end at some point

3. The division is bad, no one else is going to run away with this, just keep your head afloat

[wiguy94]

22 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I agree with all of this post but the quoted post has a point that complements it; if Taylor is a fringy guy, giving him only five games after a missed Spring Training is probably not doing the team any favors. I was actually going to start a thread about this a day or two ago but became distracted.

It felt like pushing too hard to the possible detriment of the team as a whole, and it's kinda turned out that way.

I get why they did it. Mitchell and Frelick both got hurt and Perkins was looking completely overmatched, but the decision really is starting to look like the wrong one. 

[wiguy94]

14 minutes ago, Cool Hand Lucroy said:

This is the case for optimism from where I sit:

1) The schedule has been brutal and gets less so in June and July.

2) The team has ground out wins and avoided sweeps and generally maximized win totals during an awful stretch.

3) Injury luck has been bad and should hopefully improve.

4) The NL Central is bad. Somebody has to win it.

Also Miley is already throwing bullpens. He's only topped out at 35 pitches so far but we are 2 weeks into the estimated 6-8 week IL stint. If things hold he's probably returning in 4-5 weeks and well ahead of the original timeline.

[Brock Beauchamp]

4 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

I get why they did it. Mitchell and Frelick both got hurt and Perkins was looking completely overmatched, but the decision really is starting to look like the wrong one. 

Agreed on all counts.