Orioles (Gibson) vs Brewers (Peralta): 6/6/23, 6:40pm

[Brock Beauchamp]

The Crew returns home with a tough series to face. The resurgent Orioles are 15 games over .500 and in position to grab a postseason berth for the first time in... oh hell, I don't feel like looking it up. It's been a long time.

But man, if I was an Orioles fan, would I be pissed off at ownership. They finished 2022 strong and then sat on their hands all winter while holding fast to a payroll waayyyyy under their market size.

Anyway, who cares about Baltimore. The Brewers badly need Peralta to get his head back on straight and start off this homestand with a win.

Get through this Orioles series and up next.... *mouth starts watering*.... THE ATHLETICS COME TO TOWN.

[Jake McKibbin]

Simple for Gibby

If the ball is anywhere but the bottom third of the zone or below... swing. Hard. The sinker and cutter are very hittable so far, and he's outdone his expected stats thus far. Won't strike out too many, but the Orioles defense has been a big help to him thus far

He recently held the Blue Jays and the Yankees to one run scored in 14 innings pitched (seven innings each) in consecutive starts in late May however. he's no pushover, and need the Peralta of the final five innings of the Jays game

[Brock Beauchamp]

3 minutes ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Simple for Gibby

If the ball is anywhere but the bottom third of the zone or below... swing. Hard. The sinker and cutter are very hittable so far, and he's outdone his expected stats thus far. Won't strike out too many, but the Orioles defense has been a big help to him thus far.

The key to Gibson has always been forcing him to throw strikes. As you said, lay off the sinker that dives out of the zone and he'll get flustered and start nibbling. Then either take the walk or wait for the inevitable mistake.

[treego14]

[Frisbee Slider]

1 hour ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

The resurgent Orioles are 15 games over .500 and in position to grab a postseason berth for the first time in... oh hell, I don't feel like looking it up. It's been a long time.

Orioles lost in the 2016 Wild Card, the ‘Zack Britton game’

https://www.mlb.com/cut4/zack-britton-remembers-not-pitching-in-2016-wild-card-game-c303649286

[Fear The Chorizo]

But man, if I was an Orioles fan, would I be pissed off at ownership. They finished 2022 strong and then sat on their hands all winter while holding fast to a payroll waayyyyy under their market size.

And by doing so they've started this season strong in the toughest division in baseball because their young prearbitration talent collected over the years of MLB doldrum seasons is pretty damn good .  If only they spent half a billion dollars like the Mets did to be playing 0.500 ball with a bunch of aging veterans, amirite?

[Brock Beauchamp]

10 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

And by doing so they've started this season strong in the toughest division in baseball because their young prearbitration talent collected over the years of MLB doldrum seasons is pretty damn good .  If only they spent half a billion dollars like the Mets did to be playing 0.500 ball with a bunch of aging veterans, amirite?

That's not even close to what I said or even implied.

[Fear The Chorizo]

22 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

That's not even close to what I said or even implied.

Actually, yes it is - you spent most of the offseason posting about how the Brewers should've been spending more on payroll to improve their team.  You were happy the Twins signed Correa for $200M despite 2 other team concerns with his health/injury risk and he's currently OPSing below 0.700 with nagging back and foot issues before the AS Break in year 1 of that deal (not the foot teams were most concerned with, mind you).

Orioles fans should be happy their team is currently positioned to retain their impact talent who is just now getting settled in as MLB everyday players, and their payroll will eventually climb back to what their "market size" can support (which is actually in the bottom 1/3rd overall in MLB and quite comparable to Milwaukee).  For their market size and current position of their organizational rebuild, it would have been premature for them to splurge on free agent contracts this last offseason.  I expect them to be active at the trade deadline in effort to fill current roster holes along with potentially calling up some more young talent - then this coming offseason I'd look for a few of their young stars to be offered longterm extensions and also a free agent signing/trade or two that adds to payroll in the short term before any mega extension dollars kick in.

The Orioles' organization became historically bad on the field due to management chasing wins through free agency and farm system trades in a division where they should behave more like the Rays than the Yankees and Red Sox.  Their current approach is the right one.

 

[Jake McKibbin]

1 minute ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Actually, yes it is - you spent most of the offseason posting about how the Brewers should've been spending more on payroll to improve their team.  You were happy the Twins signed Correa for $200M despite 2 other team concerns with his health/injury risk and he's currently OPSing below 0.700 with nagging back and foot issues before the AS Break in year 1 of that deal (not the foot teams were most concerned with, mind you).

Orioles fans should be happy their team is currently positioned to retain their impact talent who is just now getting settled in as MLB everyday players, and their payroll will eventually climb back to what their "market size" can support (which is actually in the bottom 1/3rd overall in MLB and quite comparable to Milwaukee).  For their market size and current position of their organizational rebuild, it would have been premature for them to splurge on free agent contracts this last offseason.  I expect them to be active at the trade deadline in effort to fill current roster holes along with potentially calling up some more young talent - then this coming offseason I'd look for a few of their young stars to be offered longterm extensions and also a free agent signing/trade or two that adds to payroll in the short term before any mega extension dollars kick in.

The Orioles' organization became historically bad on the field due to management chasing wins through free agency and farm system trades in a division where they should behave more like the Rays than the Yankees and Red Sox.  Their current approach is the right one.

 

I think Brock might be suggesting more that they could have really boosted themselves in the off season, for example instead of Mateo with one of the other short stops, with all the talent coming through

They've been very impressive, but they have done it through consistency all around and in the big moments rather than through star power offensively or in the pitching staff

Like the Brewers, they are overperforming their pythagorean (if you use that as a measuring stick) and given just how bad they've been up until last season, then yeah I think they could have done a little more

[brewers888]

1 hour ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

But man, if I was an Orioles fan, would I be pissed off at ownership. They finished 2022 strong and then sat on their hands all winter while holding fast to a payroll waayyyyy under their market size.

And by doing so they've started this season strong in the toughest division in baseball because their young prearbitration talent collected over the years of MLB doldrum seasons is pretty damn good .  If only they spent half a billion dollars like the Mets did to be playing 0.500 ball with a bunch of aging veterans, amirite?

There is a middle ground between being cheap and spending like drunken sailors as the Mets and Padres have done.

[Brock Beauchamp]

2 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Actually, yes it is - you spent most of the offseason posting about how the Brewers should've been spending more on payroll to improve their team.  You were happy the Twins signed Correa for $200M despite 2 other team concerns with his health/injury risk and he's currently OPSing below 0.700 with nagging back and foot issues before the AS Break in year 1 of that deal (not the foot teams were most concerned with, mind you).

Orioles fans should be happy their team is currently positioned to retain their impact talent who is just now getting settled in as MLB everyday players, and their payroll will eventually climb back to what their "market size" can support (which is actually in the bottom 1/3rd overall in MLB and quite comparable to Milwaukee).  For their market size and current position of their organizational rebuild, it would have been premature for them to splurge on free agent contracts this last offseason.  I expect them to be active at the trade deadline in effort to fill current roster holes along with potentially calling up some more young talent - then this coming offseason I'd look for a few of their young stars to be offered longterm extensions and also a free agent signing/trade or two that adds to payroll in the short term before any mega extension dollars kick in.

The Orioles' organization became historically bad on the field due to management chasing wins through free agency and farm system trades in a division where they should behave more like the Rays than the Yankees and Red Sox.  Their current approach is the right one.

Spending money and behaving like the Mets are two wildly different things.

And most of the offseason, I wanted the Brewers to pursue extensions, not blow the budget wide open.

Had the Orioles even pursued a Rutschman extension, there wouldn't be much to complain about. Had they actually tried to improve the short-term product, even better.

Baltimore's payroll is under $67m in 2023. You don't think they had... oh, I don't know... like $30m to spend? That still puts them a whopping $40m under the Brewers. An additional $30m only puts them at the 22nd payroll in MLB.

It's pretty hard to look at the Orioles right now and say "it was too early to spend". It very obviously was not too early to spend.

[treego14]

[82brewcrew82]

Nice first inning Freddy

[Brewcrew82]

You gotta get a hold of that Rowdy.

[Brewcrew82]

Toro, you can stay. Turang can go. 

[igor67]

Always love runs in the first inning.

[markedman5]

2 out rbi hits……what a concept!

[igor67]

Just keep not making outs.

[Brewcrew82]

Yikes, Turang. 

[markedman5]

Yea Turang needs to go down……he is just completely lost at the plate…..for a young player that just isn’t a good place to be.

[igor67]

Was that first called strike as bad as gamecast made it look?

[SomewhereInTime]

Gotta be nearing the end of Turang in the big leagues very shortly.

[markedman5]

2-0 lead has to last longer then that Freddy

[markedman5]

3 minutes ago, igor67 said:

Was that first called strike as bad as gamecast made it look?

No…..I didn’t think so 

[duewizard]

4 minutes ago, SomewhereInTime said:

Gotta be nearing the end of Turang in the big leagues very shortly.

Once Adames is healthy they need to send Turang down to work on what he is being targeted on