2023 Trade Deadline Shopping List

[Jake McKibbin]

Miami are going well though, very well in fact with their tails up, and we all know Soler can carry a team for a small period as he did in the playoffs. I'm not sure how available he'll be, but would be a decent pickup, maybe if winker started hitting better it makes sense especially for the lefty mashing, and a mid level prospect

Don't think I'd trade 7 years of Frelick for him though

[wntrtxn21]

6 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Miami are going well though, very well in fact with their tails up, and we all know Soler can carry a team for a small period as he did in the playoffs. I'm not sure how available he'll be, but would be a decent pickup, maybe if winker started hitting better it makes sense especially for the lefty mashing, and a mid level prospect

Don't think I'd trade 7 years of Frelick for him though

No way I'd trade a lot for Soler. He has a player option contract for $9M next year and if he continues what he's doing, he will for sure opt out leaving the Brewers with nothing. 

[BrewerFan]

On 6/19/2023 at 2:44 PM, Jim French Stepstool said:

I'd be fine with trading Adames for the return Nate mentioned. My only concern is, after the last deadline, would a # of the Brewer players respond with their own little mental & emotional "sit down" in response to losing their leader & the guy who puts the wedge of cheese on the HR hitters' head.

On the other hand, I'm not going that high for Robert.

No...I'm not going that high for Robert either.

We've been trying find hitters who can get on base and make contact and Frelick is now a top ~25 prospect. Black walks a ton, has good power and I think he can handle 3rd...and Gasser is one of the only starting pitching prospects we've got who are ready and look like they're more than just innings eaters. Robert Jr is great, but that's a lot for a player who's yet to play 100 games.

 

It's probably a realistic asking price, but sets the Brewers back.

 

[BrewerFan]

9 hours ago, Jake McKibbin said:

Miami are going well though, very well in fact with their tails up, and we all know Soler can carry a team for a small period as he did in the playoffs. I'm not sure how available he'll be, but would be a decent pickup, maybe if winker started hitting better it makes sense especially for the lefty mashing, and a mid level prospect

Don't think I'd trade 7 years of Frelick for him though

Are people suddenly down on Frelick? He was a mid 1st round pick who hasn't missed a beat until a little injury this year. 

I'm not trading him for half of a year or just about anyone.

I think a more reasonable and cost effective target would be a guy like Randal Grichuk. 

Lane Thomas from Washington or Candelario who can play some 3B.

Jake Berger from the CHW is a long shot...a guy who was pretty highly touted and missed a lot of time, but an outstanding hitter and still just 27. That one is probably a stretch given what they've stuck through with him, but he could play some 3B, DH and possibly be the future 1B?

That'd cost more than they probably want to give up but maybe you take back a guy like Lynn if you think you can set him back on track. The later is again a long shot, but no reason they can't make a move for a guy like Grichuk right now. Allow Yelich to DH vs some lefties or...just sit once in a while.(I don't get why they move him down to 3rd in the lineup).

He should come cheap, And maybe you try and bolster the BP at the same time. 

I don't think they need Robert Jr or Jose Ramirez...and I don't think either are realistic, but some veteran RHHers who are going to be FAs or in front of much better prospects? Doesn't seem like it should be that difficult.

[brewcrewdue80]

3 hours ago, wntrtxn21 said:

No way I'd trade a lot for Soler. He has a player option contract for $9M next year and if he continues what he's doing, he will for sure opt out leaving the Brewers with nothing. 

Oof I misread the option as a team option. So it's a player option? From a trading stand point Gives bigger reason for Miami to be open in trading Soler. But he's just a rental now which reduces by a lot what I'd think is offered. Which makes the amount of teams that would trade for him larger. No way they pony up that competitive price. Ah well guess I'll have to search for a new target.

[brewcrewdue80]

3 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Are people suddenly down on Frelick? He was a mid 1st round pick who hasn't missed a beat until a little injury this year. 

I'm not trading him for half of a year or just about anyone.

Well it's the logical OF atop the prospect rankings seeing as Mitchell is out the remainder of season. Wiemer being capable to CF and RF being RH. Chourio the 19 old who will arrive to the team sooner than later. Yelich LH. Turang LH. Mitchell returns LH. It'd probably work out with Mitchell as trade bait the other way if he were healthy. His team control is accumulating the days though til he returns from the IL to be playing again or option.  Frelick still at 0. Not on a 40man too. That's going to be a big appeal.  Until he's called up, gotta feel he's the biggest trade piece prospect they would trade.

[BrewerFan]

5 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

Well it's the logical OF atop the prospect rankings seeing as Mitchell is out the remainder of season. Wiemer being capable to CF and RF being RH. Chourio the 19 old who will arrive to the team sooner than later. Yelich LH. Turang LH. Mitchell returns LH. It'd probably work out with Mitchell as trade bait the other way if he were healthy. His team control is accumulating the days though til he returns from the IL to be playing again or option.  Frelick still at 0. Not on a 40man too. That's going to be a big appeal.  Until he's called up, gotta feel he's the biggest trade piece prospect they would trade.

Yes, I understand this is a team with a lot of highly rated OF prospects, but Frelick epitomizes everything the Brewers have been trying to draft and develop in their farm system. 

Elite defense, particularly if he ends up in LF(which is where I think he ends up).
Elite bat to ball skills. Speed, draws walks. Only player in the system with a 60 hit tool.

Yet I see him thrown around in trades for a rental(or even if Soler had a TO for next year, it still wouldn't make sense to me).

I don't think you move a guy like Frelick, a prototypical leadoff hitter who hit .365/.435/.508 with a ridiculously low K rate and actually hit for some power at AAA his 2nd year out of college unless it's in a rare trade where you get back a player with several years of team control. Otherwise he feels like a piece who fits perfectly with Chourio, Quero, Wiemer, Black and Mitchell...who I'm not quite as sold on, but he does have a very high ceiling. Put a couple of those high OB in front of Chourio, fill out the lineup with guys who have speed, good hit tools and I see a much more complete lineup in the coming years(obviously we still have to add more higher upside arms). 

 

I'd much rather make smaller moves to try and address this teams needs like Grichuk, Turner, rentals who align with our issues vs LHP'ing, hoping that's enough. As long as they keep developing players like Lara, Guillarte, the 3 guys from the '22 Jan signing period who look like they're off to good starts

 

 

All that to say, I think a more conservative approach at this deadline would be smarter than what I view as a panic move to try and win this year before you have to start breaking up part of that rotation and...I guess Willy, though he's really tanking his own value at this point.

[Lloyd330]

This team just needs to sell

Get whatever you can for Burnes ( Henderson - Pipedream), Holliday - slight possibility

See if someone will give you any value for Adames

 

 

[brewmann04]

Not Trading Prospects only guys off the Major League Roster

[jay87shot]

Could Salvador Perez be an option? Obviously Contrearas would stay the main catcher but Perez could DH and play 1B against LHP. If the Royals ate about 1/2 of his contract which runs through 2025, I doubt he wouldn't cost a ton. I get he doesn't walk much but he hits .270 with some power and might benefit like Moose and Cain did moving to a more hitter friendly park.

 

[Jake McKibbin]

2 hours ago, Lloyd330 said:

This team just needs to sell

Get whatever you can for Burnes ( Henderson - Pipedream), Holliday - slight possibility

See if someone will give you any value for Adames

 

 

Holliday may be the highest rated prospect in baseball, he's been monstrous, not sure that's remotely on the table. Would you have traded Chourio for 1.5 years of a 4 ERA current season pitcher?

[brewcrewdue80]

4 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

Yes, I understand this is a team with a lot of highly rated OF prospects, but Frelick epitomizes everything the Brewers have been trying to draft and develop in their farm system. 

Elite defense, particularly if he ends up in LF(which is where I think he ends up).
Elite bat to ball skills. Speed, draws walks. Only player in the system with a 60 hit tool.

Yet I see him thrown around in trades for a rental(or even if Soler had a TO for next year, it still wouldn't make sense to me).

I don't think you move a guy like Frelick, a prototypical leadoff hitter who hit .365/.435/.508 with a ridiculously low K rate and actually hit for some power at AAA his 2nd year out of college unless it's in a rare trade where you get back a player with several years of team control. Otherwise he feels like a piece who fits perfectly with Chourio, Quero, Wiemer, Black and Mitchell...who I'm not quite as sold on, but he does have a very high ceiling. Put a couple of those high OB in front of Chourio, fill out the lineup with guys who have speed, good hit tools and I see a much more complete lineup in the coming years(obviously we still have to add more higher upside arms). 

 

I'd much rather make smaller moves to try and address this teams needs like Grichuk, Turner, rentals who align with our issues vs LHP'ing, hoping that's enough. As long as they keep developing players like Lara, Guillarte, the 3 guys from the '22 Jan signing period who look like they're off to good starts

 

 

All that to say, I think a more conservative approach at this deadline would be smarter than what I view as a panic move to try and win this year before you have to start breaking up part of that rotation and...I guess Willy, though he's really tanking his own value at this point.

I am on the side to not trade Frelick unless he brings a return with say 4years of control.  The idea sits what may the FO use to acquire a large addition to the team. I like the bats future, but not so much the pitching future. Does the FO think this year is the last year to get to a WS with the likes of Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta? Knowing there's a sell off coming this offseason that should recoup some of the losses going for it this season?

I am on the unpopular (no doubt) feeling the team should just keep all these guys through team control and let them walk(2-3 QOs) because it should see the bats get a season+ of experience with the pitching to have the best real shot at a WS. The franchise needs 1 WS win. I don't care about not getting a big return for Burnes/Woodruff etc. Win a damn WS. Royals did it. I see this roster moving that way this time next year. Uribe with Williams. Quero/Contreras C/DH/1b Chourio/Turang/Black/Wiemer/Mitchell/Frelick. Still have your Big 3 +Ashby. Heck maybe even Carlos Rodriguez. 1 year together. Vs none if they make trades.

Problem is trade away any of the big 3, Adames, etc. The outside fans are going to dwindle because the Hader trade. The Burnes Arb controversy. Just continues to look on the outside the team doesn't care about winning.

[nate82]

To me Frelick is the one I want to trade as I am not sold on him having enough power in his bat to play LF.  I don't see Frelick as a CF where his bat would be more acceptable.  If the Brewers can trade Frelick for someone like Robert who has a lot of team control then I say do it otherwise no. 

Really the only player I would think about trading Frelick for is Luis Robert. 

[brewmann04]

The only reason this team is in contention is because the Division is so BAD. Sell of the vets go young at least they be fun to watch

[BrewerFan]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

To me Frelick is the one I want to trade as I am not sold on him having enough power in his bat to play LF.  I don't see Frelick as a CF where his bat would be more acceptable.  If the Brewers can trade Frelick for someone like Robert who has a lot of team control then I say do it otherwise no. 

Really the only player I would think about trading Frelick for is Luis Robert. 

I certainly get the argument for Robert Jr. He could be a legit MVP candidate if he stays healthy and he's just 25 years old...he's a great player and he could still move to left with the CFers we've got coming up. It makes sense, but I like Frelick, Black and Gasser. But if you're going to trade Frelick, that's the type of player you go after.

It's the Frelick for Soler type trades I take issue with(though the poster thought it was a team option, not a player option, so the proposal was for 1.5 years of control). Or just generally throwing him out there because we have a lot of OFers. If they went with your trade, I'd be able get on board real quick. If they did it so they could get someone who just lines up with Burnes/Woody...I wouldn't.

 

As for Frelick in LF, I see it as a plus. If you have Chourio and Weimer at the other two spots, I think that's a defense with a lot of power and Frelick fits into that lineup perfectly. I just don't put as big of a priority on positional production. If you put Frelick in CF and Wiemer in LF(assuming Wiemer develops and can hit ~.250 with power, walk 10% or more) does that make a difference? 

Plus with Frelick in LF, you have CF caliber defense. That's an OF that's going to get to a LOT of fly balls. 

[mtsportsfan]

7 hours ago, nate82 said:

To me Frelick is the one I want to trade as I am not sold on him having enough power in his bat to play LF.  I don't see Frelick as a CF where his bat would be more acceptable.  If the Brewers can trade Frelick for someone like Robert who has a lot of team control then I say do it otherwise no. 

Really the only player I would think about trading Frelick for is Luis Robert. 

Frelick is the type of player the team needs  , past the point of worrying about power , just give me  a few players that can get on base and Frelick fits that mold . Very tired of HR or bust of this organization .

[nate82]

1 hour ago, mtsportsfan said:

Frelick is the type of player the team needs  , past the point of worrying about power , just give me  a few players that can get on base and Frelick fits that mold . Very tired of HR or bust of this organization .

You still need power and Frelick lacks it so he may get on base but once pitchers find out they can just get him to ground out or pop out his OBP will fall like a rock kind of like what happened to Steven Kwan.  That is actually what I think Frelick will be basically a .270/.340/.360 hitter which translates to about a 98 OPS+.  He would need to be a bottom of the order hitter so your typical 7-9 hitter. 

I am not sure how Frelick's profile makes the Brewers offense all that much different than the HR or bust. 

[BrewerFan]

19 hours ago, nate82 said:

You still need power and Frelick lacks it so he may get on base but once pitchers find out they can just get him to ground out or pop out his OBP will fall like a rock kind of like what happened to Steven Kwan.  That is actually what I think Frelick will be basically a .270/.340/.360 hitter which translates to about a 98 OPS+.  He would need to be a bottom of the order hitter so your typical 7-9 hitter. 

I am not sure how Frelick's profile makes the Brewers offense all that much different than the HR or bust. 

Yelich isn't exactly post-roids Bonds(or Pre-Roids Bonds for that matter) and he's drawing walks.

This idea that if you're not going to walk if you don't hit for power, there's plenty of players who still draw walks. But he also has great speed and if they're going to throw the ball over the plate and pitch to him like he can't hurt them, then I'm sure he'll hit just fine.

You're also taking Kwan who's just a *loose comp for Frelick, a guy who put up 5.5 WAR as a rookie and using 74 games that includes a prolonged slump in May through June? 

Kwan also had a line of ,.173/.271/.253 last May and had a sub ,700 OPS last year around this time.

That's AFTER he had a .354/.459/.500 March/April with a .960 OPS.

So you're taking Kwan, who was never the prospect Frelick is/was, taking him after a very successful rookie year and now after a slump less than halfway into his second year and using that as evidence of why Frelick is a bottom of the order hitter?

This despite being the 21st prospect and a .322/.400/465 line as he moved quickly in the minors.

 

That seems like an unreachably high bar for incoming prospects. 

[Jim French Stepstool]

On 6/22/2023 at 8:52 PM, nate82 said:

You still need power and Frelick lacks it so he may get on base but once pitchers find out they can just get him to ground out or pop out his OBP will fall like a rock 

I don't know how successful he will or won't be at the MLB level....no one does. But with his hit tool IMO it won't be nearly as easy to "get him to ground out or pop up" as it would be to get an Adames, a Wiemer or a Mitchell to K. I project him being fine in LF, if that's where he winds up.

[Playing Catch]

If not for the Frelick/Mitchell/Taylor injuries, I think the Crew would look a lot different right now. I think the plan was to have Yelich/Tellez/Contreras share DH duties and Frelick/Taylor/Mitchell/Wiemer/Anderson share OF duties.

The team would have been elite defensively (it's still very good right now, but that would have put them up there with Arizona), and while perhaps the offense would continue to lack HR punch, I think the pressure on the basepaths would have resulted in a few more big innings with SBs, errors, back-to-back doubles and the like.

Counsell was up front in the spring about having to rely on rookies this season, and I don't think that mid-to-long term organizational strategy has changed. I would be very surprised if any of the top 5 to 8 prospects in the system are traded, If they want to try and improve the offense at the deadline, I think they'll trade from their newfound depth in the lower minors. They have some really intriguing youngsters that are going to be getting mentioned as "top 30 prospects," in the system sooner rather than later.

[wallus]

Here's what I got.

3 way trade with the Crew, White Sox and Mets

Crew: Robert

White Sox: Parada, Ramirez (Mets) and Tidwell

Mets: Burnes

The Mets need to make the playoffs with their payroll and will pay more for a "name". The Crew can get a great hitter that has control on a decent contract. The White Sox need to start over and get some prospects.

Trade with Mariners

Crew: France, Speier

Mariners: Frelick, Rodriguez (OF)

The Mariners are going nowhere in a tough division and can get a top prospect for the future. The Brewers get an upgrade over Winker to push Rowdy to DH that can pound LHP.

New Lineup

Yelich (LF)

Robert (RF)

Adames (SS)

France (1B)

Tellez (DH)

Contreras (C)

Anderson (3B)

Urias (2B)

Wiemer (CF)

 

Rotation

Woody (When he comes back)

Miley

Peralta

Tehran

Houser

 

Bullpen

Williams

Speier

Strez

Payamps

Peguero

Milner

Rea

Wilson

 

This helps us get a handle on player control issues that are coming up fast. I would try to extend Willy for a reasonable price if his poor play has brought his number down. I tried to use the Trade Values site to get a ballpark for this.

[brewcrewdue80]

On 6/25/2023 at 9:52 PM, wallus said:

Here's what I got.

3 way trade with the Crew, White Sox and Mets

Crew: Robert

White Sox: Parada, Ramirez (Mets) and Tidwell

The Mets need to make the playoffs with their payroll and will pay more for a "name". The Crew can get a great hitter that has control on a decent contract. The White Sox need to start over and get some prospects.

Trade with Mariners

Crew: France, Speier

Mariners: Frelick, Rodriguez (OF)

The Mariners are going nowhere in a tough division and can get a top prospect for the future. The Brewers get an upgrade over Winker to push Rowdy to DH that can pound LHP.

New Lineup

Yelich (LF)

Robert (RF)

Adames (SS)

France (1B)

Tellez (DH)

Contreras (C)

Anderson (3B)

Urias (2B)

Wiemer (CF)

 

Rotation

Woody (When he comes back)

Miley

Peralta

Tehran

Houser

 

Bullpen

Williams

Speier

Strez

Payamps

Peguero

Milner

Rea

Wilson

 

This helps us get a handle on player control issues that are coming up fast. I would try to extend Willy for a reasonable price if his poor play has brought his number down. I tried to use the Trade Values site to get a ballpark for this.

So who did the Brewers trade for Robert? Nothing seems a bit light on our end.

[brewcrewdue80]

What does Baltimore need? Because a 3b prospect named Coby Mayo I'd send them what they need that acquires him. Think I seen Mayo mentioned around here. I see why.

 

[wallus]

15 hours ago, brewcrewdue80 said:

So who did the Brewers trade for Robert? Nothing seems a bit light on our end.

Burnes to the Mets and Mets prospects to the Sox. Not sure how I missed that, ha

[Playing Catch]

On 6/25/2023 at 9:52 PM, wallus said:

Here's what I got.

3 way trade with the Crew, White Sox and Mets

Crew: Robert

White Sox: Parada, Ramirez (Mets) and Tidwell

Mets: Burnes

The Mets need to make the playoffs with their payroll and will pay more for a "name". The Crew can get a great hitter that has control on a decent contract. The White Sox need to start over and get some prospects.

Trade with Mariners

Crew: France, Speier

Mariners: Frelick, Rodriguez (OF)

The Mariners are going nowhere in a tough division and can get a top prospect for the future. The Brewers get an upgrade over Winker to push Rowdy to DH that can pound LHP.

New Lineup

Yelich (LF)

Robert (RF)

Adames (SS)

France (1B)

Tellez (DH)

Contreras (C)

Anderson (3B)

Urias (2B)

Wiemer (CF)

 

Rotation

Woody (When he comes back)

Miley

Peralta

Tehran

Houser

 

Bullpen

Williams

Speier

Strez

Payamps

Peguero

Milner

Rea

Wilson

 

This helps us get a handle on player control issues that are coming up fast. I would try to extend Willy for a reasonable price if his poor play has brought his number down. I tried to use the Trade Values site to get a ballpark for this.

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