Verlander Returning to Astros

[BruisedCrew]

Per MLB Network and Bob Nightengale.

[nate82]

Stearns sabotaging the Brewers again!!!!

[Brewcrew82]

I would say it's a shame we're done playing the Mets, but we did take 6/7 from them.

[CheeseheadInQC]

They got a pretty good couple prospects for him.

[bigred]

For OF's Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford, their #1 & #4 prospects. Wow. 

[patrickgpe]

11 minutes ago, bigred said:

For OF's Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford, their #1 & #4 prospects. Wow. 

EDIT: don't think money was involved so my comments are N/A

[Fear The Chorizo]

4 minutes ago, bigred said:

For OF's Drew Gilbert and Ryan Clifford, their #1 & #4 prospects. Wow. 

For perspective, I believe Houston's system is generally regarded as burning pile of trash (Gilbert is rated roughly #75 in the MLB top 100 list, their only top 100 prospect) - they probably had to dig deep to best offers from other teams Verlander may have also been ok with waiving his NTC to be traded to.

[patrickgpe]

5 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

For perspective, I believe Houston's system is generally regarded as burning pile of trash (Gilbert is rated roughly #75 in the MLB top 100 list, their only top 100 prospect) - they probably had to dig deep to best offers from other teams Verlander may have also been ok with waiving his NTC to be traded to.

he is 68, Quero is 70 for prospective. 

[brewers888]

We probably aren't far off from baseball becoming like european soccer where guys like Cohen pay some outrageous fee to small market teams for top prospects and established stars with years of control before free agency. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

7 minutes ago, patrickgpe said:

he is 68, Quero is 70 for prospective. 

Gilbert is also almost 23 and currently OPS-ing about 160 points less than Quero in AA, who won't turn 21 until after the season ends.  Once those top 100 rankings get over prospect # 50, there's a tendency to try and squeeze at least one prospect from every MLB organization into the list to generate clicks...I'm not saying Gilbert is a pumpkin, but 30 out of 30 MLB GM's would take Quero over Gilbert if given the opportunity right now.

If the Orioles had any interest in trading for Verlander and he was open to waiving his NTC to go there, the Stros had to dig as deep as they possibly could to land him.

[bigred]

14 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

For perspective, I believe Houston's system is generally regarded as burning pile of trash (Gilbert is rated roughly #75 in the MLB top 100 list, their only top 100 prospect) - they probably had to dig deep to best offers from other teams Verlander may have also been ok with waiving his NTC to be traded to.

I realize that. Still an overpay imo, for an 40 yr old pitcher who's owed huge $$, unless NY is paying a bunch of his salary. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

Just now, bigred said:

I realize that. Still an overpay imo, for an 40 yr old pitcher who's owed huge $$, unless NY is paying a bunch of his salary. 

This isn't just a 2 month + postseason rental either - he's under contracto for 2024, too...and Verlander at 40 is still a guy any team would give the ball to for a playoff start.  

[owbc]

12 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

This isn't just a 2 month + postseason rental either - he's under contracto for 2024, too...and Verlander at 40 is still a guy any team would give the ball to for a playoff start.  

The Rangers and Astros are in an expensive arms race right now. The Astros are taking on ~$50 million of salary and gave up two decent prospects to do this. It's a big risk. 

It does get Cohen an extra $50M to offer to Ohtani this winter. 

[bigred]

15 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

This isn't just a 2 month + postseason rental either - he's under contracto for 2024, too...and Verlander at 40 is still a guy any team would give the ball to for a playoff start.  

Again, I know that. Still doesn't change my opinion that the Astros overpaid. 

[brewers888]

26 minutes ago, bigred said:

I realize that. Still an overpay imo, for an 40 yr old pitcher who's owed huge $$, unless NY is paying a bunch of his salary. 

They are paying the Astros 54 million.

[bigred]

15 hours ago, brewers888 said:

They are paying the Astros 54 million.

Yes, Now it makes more sense why they gave up high prospects. 

[Axman59]

JV just got a 10%+ raise in pay by moving from New York to no state income tax Texas.