Chafin to Brewers

[folly412]

Low cost, decent upside move.  It makes sense as well, whereas Stearns reliever pickups were often making a trade for the sake of making a trade.

[StearnsFTW]

16 minutes ago, Joseph Zarr said:

Honestly, I'm just thrilled it isn't LHP Daniel Norris. My low bar has been honored. 

Yeah that one never made sense.  Even if you squinted it was tough to see a good pitcher there.

[RobertCrawley]

When Chafin is called to the mound, I'll be cheering as loud as anyone. But:

2022: 2.83 ERA in 30 games.

0.66 ERA in his first 14 appearances this season.

These are Strez' numbers before he was sent down. If I'm the Diamondbacks, I like the possibilities.

[Brewin]

1 minute ago, StearnsFTW said:

I'm thrilled the Dbacks saw the "value" you're seeing.

 

This is a slam dunk.

Strez has had one good 60 day stretch in MLB. Chafin has been a solid reliever for multiple seasons.

This trade is a no-brainer IMO

 

[BrewerFan]

5 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You’re literally comparing a 0.1 bWAR this year to a 0 bWAR pitcher. 
 

Not that I’m being a “contrarian” good for the Brewers, rather highlighting the glib dismissive comments overlooks the D’Backs are getting 5 years of a hard throwing reliever for 20 games or so of a guy who has been basically replacement level so far this year… that’s the value.

What exactly constitutes a "hard throwing reliever," in MLB in 2023?

Because to MY mind a 92 MPH FB does not constitute a "Hard thrower." 

[KeithStone53151]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

The Brewers picked up a guy who has been a solid late-inning MLB arm for a long time, and gave up a guy who has fallen so far down the bullpen pecking order that he was likely in danger of being DFA'd, yet there is consternation here. I don't get it.

The Brewers aren't giving up anything that is going to mortgage the future. They have shown to me quite adept and unearthing quality MLB relief arms, and Strez's velocity decrease this year was pretty concerning to his future success as a potential high-leverage relief option.

I mean, at worst, this is a "meh" deal IMO. 

There's not consternation, there's the same guy as usual going against the grain being anti-brewer in his effort to appear as the voice of reason.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

What exactly constitutes a "hard throwing reliever," in MLB in 2023?

Because to MY mind a 92 MPH FB does not constitute a "Hard thrower." 

23rd percentile FB velocity="hard throwing reliever"?

[Jim French Stepstool]

18 minutes ago, duewizard said:

I'm fine with it.  Not sure it does much though

They wanted a 2nd LH in the BP, that's what it's all about. I'm a little surprised they went with only one as long as they did. Very brief look at Claudio earlier, then a little longer one at Andrews, and neither fit the bill.

Strzeleckis' struggles surprised me. Glad we're done with 'Zona. He's someone our hitters would struggle with.

[KeithStone53151]

Just now, BrewerFan said:

What exactly constitutes a "hard throwing reliever," in MLB in 2023?

Because to MY mind a 92 MPH FB does not constitute a "Hard thrower." 

If 92 is hard throwing, everyone in the league is hard throwing except Suter and Hendricks.

[StearnsFTW]

6 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

When Chafin is called to the mound, I'll be cheering as loud as anyone. But:

2022: 2.83 ERA in 30 games.

0.66 ERA in his first 14 appearances this season.

These are Strez' numbers before he was sent down. If I'm the Diamondbacks, I like the possibilities.

The  important number is the velocity.  It's not pretty.

[RobertCrawley]

Just now, StearnsFTW said:

The  important number is the velocity.  It's not pretty.

Yep. The question is whether it can be fixed.

[MVP2110]

2 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

When Chafin is called to the mound, I'll be cheering as loud as anyone. But:

2022: 2.83 ERA in 30 games.

0.66 ERA in his first 14 appearances this season.

These are Strez' numbers before he was sent down. If I'm the Diamondbacks, I like the possibilities.

Strzelecki's ERA was 4.54 when he got sent down this year

[StearnsFTW]

6 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

Yep. The question is whether it can be fixed.

If it can, then yeah, there's value there.  My mind immediately goes to injury personally.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, MVP2110 said:

Strzelecki's ERA was 4.54 when he got sent down this year

What's so funny is that same poster is focusing on Chafin's 4.19 ERA this year...

[BrewerFan]

8 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

When Chafin is called to the mound, I'll be cheering as loud as anyone. But:

2022: 2.83 ERA in 30 games.

0.66 ERA in his first 14 appearances this season.

These are Strez' numbers before he was sent down. If I'm the Diamondbacks, I like the possibilities.

Ok...again, the contradictions here are a bit amusing. 

So Chaffin having an ERA blow-up game makes you LESS confident about him(Despite a longer history of success)...but Strzelecki having a serious of bad outings after a nice start to the year and posting an ERA of ~5(NOT including the two games he gave up runs after that .66 ERA start, one of which was also a 5 ER game) then you like the possibilities?

I don't get this.

 

Strzelecki had a series of bad outings and lost his FB velo. 

He went to AAA and had a 7+ ERA. 

Beyond all that, I'd say the Brewers tend to get the most out of their pitchers. 

[Fear The Chorizo]

1 minute ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

The Brewers picked up a guy who has been a solid late-inning MLB arm for a long time, and gave up a guy who has fallen so far down the bullpen pecking order that he was likely in danger of being DFA'd, yet there is consternation here. I don't get it.

The Brewers aren't giving up anything that is going to mortgage the future. They have shown to me quite adept and unearthing quality MLB relief arms, and Strez's velocity decrease this year was pretty concerning to his future success as a potential high-leverage relief option.

I mean, at worst, this is a "meh" deal IMO. 

giving up 5 years of team control for Strzalphabet to fill a need for a lefty reliever in this year's bullpen is much different than giving up 6 years of control for Uribe - who basically took that spot in the MLB bullpen and probably won't be giving it up anytime soon...

I'd expect some of these reactions if Abner was headed to the Dbacks, not a 28 yr old rookie reliever who was signed as an undrafted FA and spent 5 years in the minors before getting his shot to serve as bullpen depth.

[RobertCrawley]

3 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

What's so funny is that same poster is focusing on Chafin's 4.19 ERA this year...

It's hiliarious, actually, when you really think about it.

[umphrey]

Just the regular reminder that the non elite relievers are a crap shoot year to year. I don't care much about 5 years of control for strz. Doubtful he would last that long on the roster. 

[JefferyLeonard]

They just couldn't help themselves, could they. Continuing the trend of getting a bullpen arm at the deadline, that inevitably fails miserably. Bush, Norris, Taylor, Curtiss etc. 

[BrewerFan]

18 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

Likely to NOT be exercised…would be shocked if it was picked up. And no way we risk exercising the option to try and trade him.  Brewers do not operate this way for a lefty middle reliever.

Lets maybe see how he throws the rest of this year. We were making the exact same declarations about Wong a year ago at this point(for example)...and we've still got a lot of regular season Baseball and the post-season coming up...hopefully.

[Brewcrew82]

Just now, JefferyLeonard said:

They just couldn't help themselves, could they. Continuing the trend of getting a bullpen arm at the deadline, that inevitably fails miserably. Bush, Norris, Taylor, Curtiss etc. 

Maybe we should let Chafin throw an inning or two before making this declaration, Jeff??

[BrewerFan]

10 minutes ago, RobertCrawley said:

It's hiliarious, actually, when you really think about it.

No, more like, "huh...not sure that person even knows what they're upset about," type amusing. Wouldn't say hilarious.

[TheeAirbender]

Calling someone a failed pickup before the trade has even been announced🤣. Some people just want the team to fail

[JefferyLeonard]

1 minute ago, TheeAirbender said:

Calling someone a failed pickup before the trade has even been announced🤣. Some people just want the team to fail

I mean, sure it MIGHT work out okay, but how has their history been recently with bullpen arms at the deadline? Not great, not great at all. To me, they didn't necessarily need another BP arm, I wanted at least one more bat, if not two. 

[brooks_quichenick]

8 minutes ago, JefferyLeonard said:

They just couldn't help themselves, could they. Continuing the trend of getting a bullpen arm at the deadline, that inevitably fails miserably. Bush, Norris, Taylor, Curtiss etc. 

Do you cry this much about everything else in your life or just the Brewers?