Brewers (Woodruff) vs White Sox (Scholten): 8/12/23, 6:10pm

[Jopal78]

57 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

You can only get who’s on the market.

Every player in the major leagues is available at the right price. It’s just the price that keeps deals from happening 

[BrewerFan]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Super reliable 👏 

Dude...you'd have traded Burnes and Woodruff in 2018 when they were in the top 100 for a veteran rental.

At least then though there would have been far more players on the market with fewer playoff spots. 

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Yeah, but the Brewers have been pretty good at finding pitching.

I also don't know that adding Judge and Ohtani would have gotten us to the World Series...if those two players were on the market and we could take on their salaries. I DO know if you're trading those top 5 prospects, then it really doesn't matter if you do find the next Burnes or Woodruff(and you likely just traded the most likely ace in Misiorowski away) because you're going to be pretty bad.

 

I think the plan should be pretty simple. Develop players. And I think we're doing that better now than we ever have. I think this team is fun and as always, getting into the playoffs gives you a chance, but if you really wanted a plan to build a WS Contender, it'd be on the back of franchise cornerstone type players like Chourio, Frelick, Quero and then the return you get for Burnes and then I'd imagine in a year or two for Contreras, you try and fill in.

 

I think we've established we've got a pretty good plan. We've gotten by without Woodruff for most of this year and Burnes hasn't been ace like for a good chunk of it. We've cobbled together a rotation with Rea, Teheran, smart signings like Miley and a deep, talented BP.

 

And we're attacking the pitching by going after volume. Knoth, Letson, a bunch of prep arms we drafted to go with the arms in the upper levels and more projectable LA pitchers. I think there's a pretty clear path to field a more talented team in 3-4 years than we have right now. And I still think this team COULD win. 

I respect the response. I get where you are on this. I don't agree but I get your hopes. Brewers have missed on this window and it's unfortunate. Going to be hard to recreate it.

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, BrewerFan said:

Dude...you'd have traded Burnes and Woodruff in 2018 when they were in the top 100 for a veteran rental.

At least then though there would have been far more players on the market with fewer playoff spots. 

Dude. You want to hang a central division banner and collect bobbleheads. I'm the only asking how we win a championship. 

[wiguy94]

3 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Nobody has answered my question so I will ask it again. What's the plan since the window with top notch pitching is closing.

If by "nobody has anwswered my question" you meant "people have answered but I just don't like the answer" your comment would be more accurate.

[willie key]

4 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

Nobody has answered my question so I will ask it again. What's the plan since the window with top notch pitching is closing.

Do we have to notch pitching though.   

[willie key]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

Dude. You want to hang a central division banner and collect bobbleheads. 

What player was going to win the World Series for the brewers.   Answer that question

[wiguy94]

Devin Williams really makes me question my "don't pay RP" motto. He's simply the best RP in the MLB. Just hard for me to see him ever run into sustained issues when a plus to double plus FB and an 80 grade changeup/screwball. It's probably way too late to sign him to an extension but man I wish we had.

[treego14]

Turn the page and

set the Sunday stage!

[Bulldogboy]

4 minutes ago, willie key said:

Do we have to notch pitching though.   

I think with a healthy Woody they have enough to win in the current environment. Next year is it your take they let it play out and collect draft picks? How do they max what they have for this final season given this season will end in a blizzard of shutouts come playoff time. 

[willie key]

Now if the team is going to leave to Nashville then go ahead and completely gut the minor leagues for one year of ohtani, judge, Goldschmidt, arenado, and Carlos Santana 😀

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Devin Williams really makes me question my "don't pay RP" motto. He's simply the best RP in the MLB. Just hard for me to see him ever run into sustained issues when a plus to double plus FB and an 80 grade changeup/screwball. It's probably way too late to sign him to an extension but man I wish we had.

I was thinking this in the shower today.   Shut down closers are valuable.  I don’t care what anyone says.   It’s great to know when you have the lead by the ninth the game is over 

[Jim French Stepstool]

1 hour ago, yourout said:

I'm coming to the conclusion that that might be the best change up in the history of major league baseball

Doug Jones had a really good one. But hitters didn't have to look for 95-96 from him like they do from Williams. So in that sense  DWs' is certainly more effective.

[Jopal78]

47 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

There's no one that they could have acquired even if they traded all 5 prospects that would have made them better than the Braves. They've still got some pretty good foundational pieces for the future in their system even if they lose Woodruff and Burnes. I'd rather roll with who we got and be patient with the prospects rather than offer a clear overpay just move the needle some and still need a lot of luck to get past the Braves or Dodgers. I don't want to enter a 5 year rebuild after 2024.

You might be right about the prospects, but you’re also kidding yourself if you think a once in a lifetime duo of aces leave and the Brewers fortunes do not simultaneously take a tumble. 
 

The Brewers win now because of their starting pitching. 15 years ago I saw what happens when you try to win with a set of good hitters and no starting pitching: you tread water at .500 or trade off the next generation for starting pitching.

[wiguy94]

Just now, willie key said:

I was thinking this in the shower today.   Shut down closets are valuable.  I don’t care what anyone says.   It’s great to know when you have the lead by the ninth the game is over 

He's been the best shutdown RP in the MLB since 2020 and unlike a lot of RP he has 2 amazing pitches not 1. Like Emmanuel Clase had the same ERA- and FIP- as DW since 2020 coming into today (both tied for 1st) but he had his 9th blown save of the year today. DW has 8 blown saves in his career. He's been simply as dependable as it gets.

[Bulldogboy]

2 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You might be right about the prospects, but you’re also kidding yourself if you think a once in a lifetime duo of aces leave and the Brewers fortunes do not simultaneously take a tumble. 
 

The Brewers win now because of their starting pitching. 15 years ago I saw what happens when you try to win with a set of good hitters and no starting pitching 

No no Ethan Small and Robert Gasser are the new Kofax and Drysdale. 

[willie key]

Also.   iPhones need to access their spell checks by personality etc.   you should be able to program spell checks on the phone by “dale murphy belongs in hall of fame” type phone  owner 

Instead it’s like the spell check is for 15 year old girls.    Who changes “closers” to “closets”

[wiguy94]

5 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

You might be right about the prospects, but you’re also kidding yourself if you think a once in a lifetime duo of aces leave and the Brewers fortunes do not simultaneously take a tumble. 
 

The Brewers win now because of their starting pitching. 15 years ago I saw what happens when you try to win with a set of good hitters and no starting pitching: you tread water at .500 or trade off the next generation for starting pitching.

The Brewers won in 2021 because of their SP. Outside of 2021 they have not won on the back of their SP.

You have been told his about 100 times at this point and you continue to spew the misinformation. I wonder why.

[wiguy94]

Just now, Bulldogboy said:

No no Ethan Small and Robert Gasser are the new Kofax and Drysdale. 

The fact you keep bringing up Small is a huge bad faith red flag and a reason why nobody should take your comments on this topic seriously.

[82brewcrew82]

14 minutes ago, Jopal78 said:

Every player in the major leagues is available at the right price. It’s just the price that keeps deals from happening 

That would suggest they really aren't all that available then.

[Bulldogboy]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The fact you keep bringing up Small is a huge bad faith red flag and a reason why nobody should take your comments on this topic seriously.

I'm just adding in a first round draft pick who a year ago was a top 5 prospect for them. I mean hey what's the difference between him and the others you named. You are definitely not to be taken seriously on this topic. Who needs Burnes and Woodruff let em walk!! We still have Adrian Houser!!

[willie key]

3 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

The Brewers won in 2021 because of their SP. Outside of 2021 they have not won on the back of their SP.

Well.  Technically you could say they won in 2008 on the back of sabathia though 

[Bulldogboy]

Just saw that Mets were gauging the market for Alonzo at the deadline. You would be surprised at who was available for the right price. He would have moved the needle.

[82brewcrew82]

23 minutes ago, Bulldogboy said:

I respect the response. I get where you are on this. I don't agree but I get your hopes. Brewers have missed on this window and it's unfortunate. Going to be hard to recreate it.

The issue is that they wouldn't have this window at all under your philosophy.  You would have traded Burnes and Woodruff and any other prospect worth anything to "go for it".  You're playing both sides.

[wiguy94]

1 minute ago, Bulldogboy said:

Just saw that Mets were gauging the market for Alonzo at the deadline. You would be surprised at who was available for the right price. He would have moved the needle.

And yet he wasn't traded. Gauging the market =/= on the market.