Game 6: Packers @ Broncos - Sunday, October 22nd 3:25 PM

[MrTPlush]

1 minute ago, homer said:

to further your point:

 

 

Yup, he probably would have gotten half the yardage on 3rd. 4th and 10 isn’t ideal…but giving up like Love did is even worse.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

We have at least one more year of fixing the offensive line with reach draft picks that don't pan out before we do anything with our QB, I think. MLF canning becomes a legit outcome next season. 

[LouisEly]

13 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I don't get the call. It's 4 down territory. Make 4th down manageable. There's 100 seconds left, why the heave there?

Dillon was wide open leaking out of the backfield.  No defender within 15 yards of him.  Would have gained at least 10-15 yards and made the 4th down manageable.

[endaround]

2 minutes ago, LouisEly said:

Dillon was wide open leaking out of the backfield.  No defender within 15 yards of him.  Would have gained at least 10-15 yards and made the 4th down manageable.

Like the poor Watson throw, I wouldn't be surprised there were also open cut ins 12-13 yds deep

[HarryDoyle]

Jordan Love is the biggest Packers bust since Mandarich.

[wOOgiE22]

5 minutes ago, homer said:

could get a top 3 pick. 

Gute would then proceed to trade the pick or draft a defensive fringe player. 

[yourout]

23 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Seems like a third of the packer roster could say the same thing

 

This season is going to spiral to places packer fans haven't been to in a loooong time

If we could get Caleb Williams and a new coaching staff it would be a decent consolation prize to a crappy season

[OldSchoolSnapper]

10 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Jordan Love is the biggest Packers bust since Mandarich.

Probably not. He's shown enough to at worst ping pong around the league as a backup for a handful of years. Brett Hundley had jobs after Green Bay. 

Sherrod? Harrell? Ahmad Carroll? 

 

[HarryDoyle]

Just now, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Probably not. He's shown enough to at worst ping pong around the league as a backup for a handful of years. Brett Hundley had jobs after Green Bay. 

Sherrod? Harrell? Ahmad Carroll? 

 

I mean first round picks, and I'd still say Love is the worst bust. At least with Sherrod we can say injury ended his career.

[yourout]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

Probably not. He's shown enough to at worst ping pong around the league as a backup for a handful of years. Brett Hundley had jobs after Green Bay. 

Sherrod? Harrell? Ahmad Carroll? 

 

I'd agree. He would be a serviceable backup but that is the ceiling.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

2 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

I mean first round picks, and I'd still say Love is the worst bust. At least with Sherrod we can say injury ended his career.

I think all those guys I mentioned were first round picks. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not even out on Love being a serviceable QB. I think it's clearly apparent now it's more likely that it doesn't work out, but it's a dumpster fire of a year right now at many angles. Couldn't have set up this year much worse.  

[HarryDoyle]

1 minute ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think all those guys I mentioned were first round picks. 

Hundley wasn't, and I thought you were talking about Graham Harrell, I completely forgot about Justin. Not surprising since he was so terrible so I guess he was worse. I didn't like that pick either.

[DuWayne Steurer]

21 minutes ago, wOOgiE22 said:

Gute would then proceed to trade the pick or draft a defensive fringe player. 

Trade down for an H-back. 

[adambr2]

MLF postgame: "I need to go back and look at why we are starting so slow on offense."

What exactly were you doing during the bye week? Repainting your house?

[yourout]

34 minutes ago, adambr2 said:

MLF postgame: "I need to go back and look at why we are starting so slow on offense."

What exactly were you doing during the bye week? Repainting your house?

Maybe check his emails and make sure he is not CCing the game plan to the opponent?

[bjkrautk]

So many moments from a 2-point loss which aggravate me.

- Missing a 43-yard FG with ~45 seconds left in the first half.

- Giving up another FG in the first half when the other team only had ~45 seconds.

- Defense not being able to get a stop after the offense finally takes the lead.  Carrington Valentine got picked on all game, but at least he managed to stay on the field (Stokes re-injured his hamstring 4-snaps into his comeback, only playing on ST, and Jaire didn't play).

- The holding penalty that sent the offense back to midfield right after the 2-minute warning, when they only needed a FG.

- Love forcing a throw into coverage when Dillon or Reed were more open.  The INT in the Raiders game was at least late into the clock; this one you only needed 15-20 yards to give Carlson another chance, and they had time & time outs to do it.  I am fine with this being a developmental year for the team, given the injuries and the cap....but if Jordan Love wants to get a real 2nd contract from the Packers, this is the throw he needs to stop repeating.

 

This game, like the Raiders game (and, if I'm being honest, the Atlanta game) are the ones where I expect the team to find ways to win.  There's a lot of season left, but confidence is a thing that builds, and this team keeps finding ways to lose.

[CheezWizHed]

18 hours ago, DuWayne Steurer said:

Bad throw. Really bad throw. Somehow got lucky and it turns into a TD. 

I maybe the only one, but I'm with you.  Great play to see a player, adjust the arm angle and find a slot to throw it... but the throw was late and thus behind Doubs, who only got two hands on it by twisting backwards.  Bad throw.

[MrTPlush]

59 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

I maybe the only one, but I'm with you.  Great play to see a player, adjust the arm angle and find a slot to throw it... but the throw was late and thus behind Doubs, who only got two hands on it by twisting backwards.  Bad throw.

 

If he throws it when he wanted to, which is the play design as Reed is simply blocking via a route, it is either thrown into the belly of the defender incomplete or an INT.

 

Is this a bad throw? Idk...he is threading a needle between his lineman blocking #31 and the guy that jumps on the pump fake. On Doubs end he is behind the guy jumping when the ball is released. That rocket throw is halfway before Doubs can even register it is coming.

 

This is a pretty tight window to be throwing into.

[homer]

It hit Doubs in both hands. I've seen a lot worse from better QBs. I don't think the throw could have been better given the window. If you want to say he shouldn't have thrown it that's something else.

[CheezWizHed]

8 minutes ago, MrTPlush said:

 

If he throws it when he wanted to, which is the play design as Reed is simply blocking via a route, it is either thrown into the belly of the defender incomplete or an INT.

 

Is this a bad throw? Idk...he is threading a needle between his lineman blocking #31 and the guy that jumps on the pump fake. On Doubs end he is behind the guy jumping when the ball is released. That rocket throw is halfway before Doubs can even register it is coming.

 

This is a pretty tight window to be throwing into.

You missed the point.  He made a nice adjustment based on the defender.  He dropped his arm angle to make it in a tight window.  I acknowledged it was a nice play to get it in there.

But the result of all the  adjustments meant he was late on the throw. Doubs slows down and twists to get both hands on it (yes, he probably should've caught it), but a regular theme on Love's throws was ... he was late. 

[CheezWizHed]

8 minutes ago, homer said:

It hit Doubs in both hands. I've seen a lot worse from better QBs. I don't think the throw could have been better given the window. If you want to say he shouldn't have thrown it that's something else.

Agreed.  If that HAS to be the only option, then he did a good job finding a way to get it in there. And it probably wasn't a horrible decision to do it.  He just continues to be a tick behind in making those plays.  

 

[bjkrautk]

14 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

You missed the point.  He made a nice adjustment based on the defender.  He dropped his arm angle to make it in a tight window.  I acknowledged it was a nice play to get it in there.

But the result of all the  adjustments meant he was late on the throw. Doubs slows down and twists to get both hands on it (yes, he probably should've caught it), but a regular theme on Love's throws was ... he was late. 

I guess I struggle with acknowledging the throw could not be made "on time" for lack of a window due to the free defender (#0), yet knocking the play for being late.  Given there wasn't time to look to other coverages, nor to run with the ball (again, unblocked linebacker 3 yards away), I don't know what more could be expected than a spectacular throw within Doubs' catch radius...on 4th down.

 

[SeaBass]

38 minutes ago, CheezWizHed said:

Agreed.  If that HAS to be the only option, then he did a good job finding a way to get it in there. And it probably wasn't a horrible decision to do it.  He just continues to be a tick behind in making those plays.  

 

He pump faked to get the defender in the air and then immediately threw the ball. You're really demanding absolute perfection here?

Doubs was open and it's 4th down, you throw to the open guy. Doubs had his shoulders mostly square to Love. The throw was on his back shoulder. I'm not sure why this is even an argument.

As far as it being the only option, it was. Two receiver set, no other routes and Reed was doubled.

Looks like both DBs stacked on Doubs and Reed and both followed Reed.

Guy in the foreground is the LB.

Nobody else in the end zone to throw to. Again, it's 4th down. Gotta make a play.

I get Love had a very uninspiring game, this play wasn't one of the problems though.

[CheezWizHed]

17 hours ago, SeaBass said:

He pump faked to get the defender in the air and then immediately threw the ball. You're really demanding absolute perfection here?

Doubs was open and it's 4th down, you throw to the open guy. Doubs had his shoulders mostly square to Love. The throw was on his back shoulder. I'm not sure why this is even an argument.

 

Not sure where I demanded perfection... I just said it was a bad pass as it was late.  A factual statement that no one has debated.  

Doubs was square with two hands on it.  He twisted his body back to the left while running to his right.  Immediately after that picture, he falls on his butt because he had to twist and stop his momentum just to get two hands on it.  

Video is the best, but take your picture and this picture and you see where Doubs momentum was taking him. He looks "square" in the first picture as if he was simply standing there, but he wasn't.  This second picture (a split second later) you see how far behind him he is reaching.  That is what his momentum was doing to him. 

I made one statement: It was bad because it was late.  I stand by it. 

Love not having any other options, not having time, having to make a great adjustment just to get it that close (which is absolutely true) are all irrelevant to whether the actual throw was good or not.