Burnes to angels ideas

[Scooterfletcher]

We have to end up with Schanuel to solidify first base in a deal for sure.  Beyond that we’d have to.have Dana and Kent and one more prospect.  Thoughts?

[brewcrewdue80]

Um.  What team? 

[BlazingGunz]

It would have to be so much quantity as they don't have quality - I doubt they would drain their farm and key young players for 1 year of Burnes - but it is the Angels.   I just don't think they match up well.   If I squint:

Burnes for

Schanuel, Dana, Silseth, Rada

They just have a terrible organization.

[Brock Beauchamp]

I don't think the Angels have the pieces to make this work.

[Scooterfletcher]

I have to disagree, Brock.   But only if Zach Neto were to become part of the package (maybe with Adames too??). 
 

Neto and Schanuel would be a great first and second piece though they aren’t arms .  

[nate82]

1 minute ago, Scooterfletcher said:

I have to disagree, Brock.   But only if Zach Neto were to become part of the package (maybe with Adames too??). 
 

Neto and Schanuel would be a great first and second piece though they aren’t arms .  

Why would the Angels trade Neto and Schanuel for Burnes?  It makes no sense at all for them to do that.  You are just subtracting pieces from their MLB team without replacing them with anything.  Even with Adames in the deal you haven't even improved the Angels team as a whole at best you are at where you were before the trade.  So why would this trade make any sense for the Angels?

[Scooterfletcher]

9 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Why would the Angels trade Neto and Schanuel for Burnes?  It makes no sense at all for them to do that.  You are just subtracting pieces from their MLB team without replacing them with anything.  Even with Adames in the deal you haven't even improved the Angels team as a whole at best you are at where you were before the trade.  So why would this trade make any sense for the Angels?

Why did it make sense for the Angels to keep Ohtani at the deadline?   They make bad moves and could very well want the playoffs at all costs their first year losing Ohtani.   I sort of mentioned Adames and Byrnes for Neto Schanuel and a starting pitching prospect.  
 

They have a long playoff drought and may want to shake that their first year without Ohtani .   Their owner is bad 

[Redd Vencher]

4 hours ago, nate82 said:

Why would the Angels trade Neto and Schanuel for Burnes?  It makes no sense at all for them to do that.  You are just subtracting pieces from their MLB team without replacing them with anything.  Even with Adames in the deal you haven't even improved the Angels team as a whole at best you are at where you were before the trade.  So why would this trade make any sense for the Angels?

The Angels farm is garbo. In order for them to get Burnes, they're going to have to subtract off the major league roster. 1 of Detmers/Neto and Schanuel coming back are the only way they can start to put a package together for Burnes.

[nate82]

4 hours ago, Scooterfletcher said:

Why did it make sense for the Angels to keep Ohtani at the deadline?   They make bad moves and could very well want the playoffs at all costs their first year losing Ohtani.   I sort of mentioned Adames and Byrnes for Neto Schanuel and a starting pitching prospect.  
 

They have a long playoff drought and may want to shake that their first year without Ohtani .   Their owner is bad 

The Angels do dumb stuff but this would be extremely dumb if they did this.  I don't see them making this type of a trade.  It just subtracts without adding. 

 

30 minutes ago, Redd Vencher said:

The Angels farm is garbo. In order for them to get Burnes, they're going to have to subtract off the major league roster. 1 of Detmers/Neto and Schanuel coming back are the only way they can start to put a package together for Burnes.

Yeah I get that.  But they won't do this type of a trade.  It just doesn't make any sense at all for the Angels to make this type of a trade.  I don't believe they would even trade Schanuel so I think the Angels are basically just a team you avoid with any type of trade for Burnes.  The teams with prospects to trade for Burnes are the Dodgers, Braves, Rangers, Giants and Orioles.  I think we can cross the Dodgers and Orioles off a possible Burnes trade destination so that leaves the Braves, Giants and Rangers.  The three are really good options as they have some prospects the Brewers would be interested in. 

[BrewerFan]

On 12/22/2023 at 1:57 PM, nate82 said:

So why would this trade make any sense for the Angels?

NOW we're applying "logic" from the Angels end?

Burnes is a star. 

If they were a logical, forward thinking franchise, they wouldn't have traded their top prospects and kept Ohtani and instead, they'd have garnered a unprecedented haul of prospects for a 2 month rental of a player. They didn't do that. There's a reason. 

[Scooterfletcher]

It’s not like the Angels don’t have the money to resign Burnes (and Adames if he went along in a Neto trade).   I could see it happening just as easily as Burnes going to a different team.  
 

and if if if this trade hypothetically happened, Turang eventually becomes a super utility Counsell type player and black fills in at third or second until Brock comes up to fill third 

[CheeseheadInQC]

On 12/22/2023 at 2:09 PM, Scooterfletcher said:

Why did it make sense for the Angels to keep Ohtani at the deadline?   They make bad moves and could very well want the playoffs at all costs their first year losing Ohtani.   I sort of mentioned Adames and Byrnes for Neto Schanuel and a starting pitching prospect.  
 

They have a long playoff drought and may want to shake that their first year without Ohtani .   Their owner is bad 

The Angels acted irrationally because an improbable playoff run was their only chance to keep Ohtani. Do I think they will suddenly start being a well run organization? No. But they are banking on Neto and Schanuel to be part of their core. Trading them for rentals would be next level lunacy. It is much more likely they go back to their old standby of over-paying free agents.

[nate82]

2 hours ago, CheeseheadInQC said:

It is much more likely they go back to their old standby of over-paying free agents.

This is exactly what they are doing.  They are the only team so far connected with Snell that I have heard of.  They will probably sign Snell and J.D. Martinez and then call it an offseason.

Burnes just makes 0 sense at all even for the Angels.

[jay87shot]

A package of Schaneul/Netopia, Dana and 3rd good piece would work but as others pointed out the Angels shouldn't do that. Although they did give up Quero and Bush for a half year of Giolito and Lopez (who they cut at the end of the year). A Burnes and Adames package by that standard could get Schaunel, Neto, and one of their young starters.

[brewcrewdue80]

On 12/22/2023 at 5:17 AM, brewcrewdue80 said:

Um.  What team? 

Close this thread. The Angel's haven't made the playoffs with 2 of the greatest players ever in history with them. They no longer have 1 of those players.  In a vacuum, trading for Burnes last season of team control, is akin to any of us buying 1 Mega Millions or Power Ball lotto ticket with an actual expectation that you'd win by doing so. 

The Brewers will trade Burnes to the Cardinals before the Angels because it is such a poor move for a GM to make.