2024 NFL Discussion Thread

[HarryDoyle]

15 minutes ago, homer said:

i don't think so. Deebo was sick and Aiyuk hurt his knee.  Their luck will run out at some point. Not saying they are bad or anything but they aren't an elite team historically 

Not elite? They're in the middle of a dynasty right now.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think he meant this iteration isn't elite, which they don't seem to be but I also didn't think at least one of their championship teams was very good in the middle of that season. Maybe it was last year? I don't remember. 

Mahomes is the GOAT in my book though. He truly elevates everyone and they always have a chance with him. He has pulled so many rabbits out of his hat in huge games. Yes Brady has all those rings but you'll never get me to say he's better than Mahomes. 

 

[homer]

10 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Not elite? They're in the middle of a dynasty right now.

This year they aren't elite. They aren't going to go undefeated.

[homer]

2 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

I think he meant this iteration isn't elite, which they don't seem to be but I also didn't think at least one of their championship teams was very good in the middle of that season. Maybe it was last year? I don't remember. 

Mahomes is the GOAT in my book though. He truly elevates everyone and they always have a chance with him. He has pulled so many rabbits out of his hat in huge games. Yes Brady has all those rings but you'll never get me to say he's better than Mahomes. 

 

Agreed. They can't complete a pass more than 20 yards downfield yet move the sticks and win.

[Fear The Chorizo]

When you have the best player in the NFL, and he's your quarterback, and you have a damn good coaching staff, you can have a dynasty in the NFL by finding ways to win, and more importantly avoiding mistakes that make you lose.

 

The Pats did it with Brady and Belichek...now the Chiefs are doing it.

Dynasties don't need to have a team that's a juggernaut every single year.

[Fear The Chorizo]

46 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

The 49ers stink and Purdy sucks and it's great.  

The only thing that would be better is if the 49ers give him a $50m per season extension

[HarryDoyle]

Loving the 70s throwbacks by the Steelers with the block numbers. They never should've ditched those.

[nate82]

35 minutes ago, HarryDoyle said:

Loving the 70s throwbacks by the Steelers with the block numbers. They never should've ditched those.

The best throwbacks this weekend was by the University of Illinois.  The helmets and jerseys were just spot on.

 

[HarveysWBs]

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before, but I think the Jets might be in a bit of trouble this year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's time for Aaron to call it. 

[adambr2]

His ego is way too big to go out after this disaster year. Wonder how he'll handle it when the Jets draft his replacement this year. Wonder if he'll even let them. 

[adambr2]

11 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

Stop me if you’ve heard this one before, but I think the Jets might be in a bit of trouble this year.

That turnover right before halftime was a backbreaker.  They looked well in control before that point. 

[adambr2]

4 minutes ago, OldSchoolSnapper said:

It's time for Aaron to call it. 

He's doing ...some things well, I guess? I don't watch him play and think "wow he's totally cooked." 

The chemistry on this Jets' team, like so many Aaron Rodgers teams, seems to not really be there, and the results, like so many Aaron Rodgers teams, seems to be less than the sum of it's parts. 

[HarveysWBs]

I’m struggling with how I feel about this. On the one hand, I’m relieved that there seems very little chance that he will go on and win a title after he left. It seems incontrovertible now that the Packers did what they had to do, chose correctly in moving on, and that they are in a much better position than they would be with a 40+ year old Rodgers playing his way or the highway under center. I like very much that my team seems to have got this right.

But I didn’t want him to be a joke, either. I know some of that is his own doing because of his persona and off-field *waves at everything*, but now with Saleh fired and Adams acquired, it all just feels so desperate. I didn’t want to watch a ride off into the sunset, (since it wasn’t going to come with us—yeah, this is selfish, but I’m a fan of the Packers first and foremost), but I wanted his last ride to have a little more dignity than this nevertheless. This is less of a ride and more of a slinking away amidst a rainstorm and a hail of tomatoes and cabbage.

[adambr2]

6 minutes ago, HarveysWBs said:

I’m struggling with how I feel about this. On the one hand, I’m relieved that there seems very little chance that he will go on and win a title after he left. It seems incontrovertible now that the Packers did what they had to do, chose correctly in moving on, and that they are in a much better position than they would be with a 40+ year old Rodgers playing his way or the highway under center. I like very much that my team seems to have got this right.

But I didn’t want him to be a joke, either. I know some of that is his own doing because of his persona and off-field *waves at everything*, but now with Saleh fired and Adams acquired, it all just feels so desperate. I didn’t want to watch a ride off into the sunset, (since it wasn’t going to come with us—yeah, this is selfish, but I’m a fan of the Packers first and foremost), but I wanted his last ride to have a little more dignity than this nevertheless. This is less of a ride and more of a slinking away amidst a rainstorm and a hail of tomatoes and cabbage.

No one will really remember that in the end anyway. Favre's last year was a disastrous 6-10 season with the Vikings but nobody remembers him like that. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

People do remember that Favre showed a pulse after GB though and nearly got back to the Super Bowl. Of course they remember why he didn't, but he did prove that he was still really good after GB. 

I think I'm fine with it. Rodgers doesn't have anything left to prove. It was clear a few years ago that his legacy was going to be one of the top 5 QBs to ever play, but also marked by a lot of "what if." I don't have an issue with the guy but when you put yourself into the spotlight like he does, people will have polarizing opinions of you. 

All will be forgotten when he's getting his name on the ring of honor in a few years at halftime of a game Love is playing. 

Peak Rodgers was truly something else though. Those MVP seasons and parts of a few others, the guy was just automatic. 

[BrewerFan]

3 hours ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

The only thing that would be better is if the 49ers give him a $50m per season extension

I think they almost have to. What else are they going to do? Rely on another late-round pick?

And hell, by the time they sign him, it might be 60M a year. Purdy hasn't really dropped off statistically. led the league last year in several categories, he was near the top of the league again in QBR, pushing the ball down the field in yards per attempt.

Plus, it's not like QBs are paid like other positions. Take the top player and then negotiate based on that. It seems like next up is always the highest paid. 

 

This has to be the most beat-up team in the league...and now Ayiuk has a torn ACL. Probably just end up with a top 10 pick and come back better next year, but I'll enjoy it for now.

 

[BrewerFan]

1 hour ago, HarveysWBs said:

I’m struggling with how I feel about this. On the one hand, I’m relieved that there seems very little chance that he will go on and win a title after he left. It seems incontrovertible now that the Packers did what they had to do, chose correctly in moving on, and that they are in a much better position than they would be with a 40+ year old Rodgers playing his way or the highway under center. I like very much that my team seems to have got this right.

But I didn’t want him to be a joke, either. I know some of that is his own doing because of his persona and off-field *waves at everything*, but now with Saleh fired and Adams acquired, it all just feels so desperate. I didn’t want to watch a ride off into the sunset, (since it wasn’t going to come with us—yeah, this is selfish, but I’m a fan of the Packers first and foremost), but I wanted his last ride to have a little more dignity than this nevertheless. This is less of a ride and more of a slinking away amidst a rainstorm and a hail of tomatoes and cabbage.

There are rumors now that teams are calling about Garrett Wilson...and that he MAY be available. 

Rodgers is almost certainly coming back for another year, but I don't think the situation he went to is THAT different than the one Brady went to.

Brady was throwing with his guys in the off-season, he apparently butted heads with Arians, but made it work. Rodgers got Saleh fired. I always thought if you put Rodgers in Brady's situation with Belichick and the defenses he had, he'd have the 6 rings(in NE)...but this seems pretty clear he wouldn't.

It's obvious it's the chemistry that's missing. The Jets...on paper have it all. So, what's missing?

[HarryDoyle]

 

[Fear The Chorizo]

8 hours ago, BrewerFan said:

I think they almost have to. What else are they going to do? Rely on another late-round pick?

And hell, by the time they sign him, it might be 60M a year. Purdy hasn't really dropped off statistically. led the league last year in several categories, he was near the top of the league again in QBR, pushing the ball down the field in yards per attempt.

Plus, it's not like QBs are paid like other positions. Take the top player and then negotiate based on that. It seems like next up is always the highest paid. 

 

This has to be the most beat-up team in the league...and now Ayiuk has a torn ACL. Probably just end up with a top 10 pick and come back better next year, but I'll enjoy it for now.

 

Naw, that teams window is about to be slammed shut - their core is getting long in the tooth and they are already up against salary cap hell without yet paying a quarterback.  Key injuries, yes - but that's football, and they don't have near the depth of talent they once had.

Purdy is what their roster needs, until he's the highest paid player on it - then it all falls apart because the roster around him gets worse.

[BrewerFan]

3 minutes ago, Fear The Chorizo said:

Naw, that teams window is about to be slammed shut - their core is getting long in the tooth and they are already up against salary cap hell without yet paying a quarterback.  Key injuries, yes - but that's football, and they don't have near the depth if talent they once had.

Purdy is what their roster needs, until he's the highest paid player on it - then it all falls apart because the roster around him gets worse.

Dude...they've got 55M in cap space...and yeah, they have some key guys getting older. Kittle is 31, Trent is 36(but he's still dominant)...Hargraves is 31 I think, but he's out anyway. 

They'll be able to work around the cap. Purdy will sign...even if it's 4/240 and the deal will add the 4th year of his rookie deal and it'll be 5/241.5 and it'll be 20M the first year, 35, 45 and then they'll restructure it...if he's still good, but if they have just average health next year or even the rest of this year, they'll be fine.

They'll lose a couple corners, but that rookie Renaldo Green looks like a hit, Puni from Kansas they just keep finding talent at WR(they should have traded Ayiuk...and I'm not saying that because he just tore an ACL, just because they could have added at least a 1st and not paid him...though he is a #1).

 

Maybe you're right...but if they become an average team, it'll be more due to Hufanga, Hargrave, McCaffery, and guys like that, but I still think that team is a problem when healthy. 

As long as they've got Bosa, Trent, Warner an endless line of stud WRs(and their 1st rd pick is on his way back) and a really well run team, they'll be a contender. 

The window on this current group is closing, but everytime you think they're done, they go out and make a couple moves, trade for Trent, CMac, have a bad year and draft Bosa, whatever(imagine if they hadn't done the Fields trade and drafted Parsons+2 1sts). 

 

To be fair, I thought the Jets were going to be pretty solid this year and the Vikings were going to be terrible...

[MrTPlush]

10 hours ago, adambr2 said:

That turnover right before halftime was a backbreaker.  They looked well in control before that point. 

They honestly looked great until Wilson let a 20 yard dart bounce off his chest and basically go the other way for a TD. The next drive they let a 35 yard field goal get blocked. At that point they were just grasping for a miracle by the time they got the ball again.

It is a lot of talent, but it really just isn't meshing the way it needs to yet. 

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The 49ers have shown a trend of getting everyone to believe a QB is better than he is, failing to get over the hump, then starting over at the position. The same thing is going to happen with Purdy. They know he isn't that great. His stats are his stats, but he threw the Packers like 4 interception-caliber balls in the divisional and he just doesn't pass the eye test. He's not that good. He's OK. 

They will be drafting a QB soon or going for a vet that has to be moved like Rodgers a few years ago.

[homer]

The Niners (and Purdy) are a totally different team with McCaffery. Mason is a very good runner but he isn't much of a threat in the passing game. They were missing their top 3 WRs and a HOF caliber running back yesterday. Maybe the Packers 4th and 5th string guys are better but If Love was missing Reed, Watson, Doubs and Jacobs he'd probably have a tough go of things. 

Their offense, though, is built on play action and one elite thing KC has is an elite run defense. 

[adambr2]

I know it's tempting to compare Purdy to Jimmy G, but I think that's way too dismissive of a guy who was a legitimate MVP candidate last year. 

If Purdy's success is only system-related, why didn't they stick with Lance, who they had so much invested in?

I'd be more surprised if the 49ers don't extend Purdy than if they do.