Reds (Martinez) vs Brewers (Myers): 8/10/24, 6:10pm

[wiguy94]

Just now, tonyei31 said:

If any 'out of left field' DFA happened it would be Elvis (I don't think that happens, personally).  For me it's pretty simple.  Hall is up, Milner optioned with right to refuse.  Hudson comes back and Ross is DFA.  The real issue comes when Megill is ready. 

Elvis has options so I can't imagine he gets DFA'd. He's certainly a candidate to be optioned though. Just can't see him being DFA'd when guys like Ashby, Herget, Jay, Capra are on the 40-man.

[Frisbee Slider]

Is there a reason Rea is not announced as tomorrow’s starter?

[wiguy94]

Just now, Frisbee Slider said:

Is there a reason Rea is not announced as tomorrow’s starter?

Hall is being activated tomorrow. 

[Brian]

13 minutes ago, tonyei31 said:

Payamps is going nowhere.   Continued faith from organization.  Has been nearly lights out in the past month+.  He's actually trending more towards last year Payamps over that span.  

Then it has to be Milner. 

[tonyei31]

10 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Elvis has options so I can't imagine he gets DFA'd. He's certainly a candidate to be optioned though. Just can't see him being DFA'd when guys like Ashby, Herget, Jay, Capra are on the 40-man.

Thought he didn't have options.  Haven't looked too far.  If he has options he is a prime candidate to be sent down before Sept 1st pitcher addition to roster, at which point I would expect him to come back up.  Likely an option, on top of Ross/Wilson being DFA and Milner being optioned.  

[wiguy94]

2 minutes ago, tonyei31 said:

Thought he didn't have options.  Haven't looked too far.  If he has options he is a prime candidate to be sent down before Sept 1st pitcher addition to roster, at which point I would expect him to come back up.  Likely an option, on top of Ross/Wilson being DFA and Milner being optioned.  

Peguero still has 2 options left. Peguero, Koenig, Myers are the only pitchers on the active roster who have options and are under 5 years service time.

[rickh150]

23 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Peguero still has 2 options left. Peguero, Koenig, Myers are the only pitchers on the active roster who have options and are under 5 years service time.

So are you saying Milner could refuse to be demoted and potentially leave as a FA if optioned? I thought he would be the odd man out before (or Elvis)….not sure now.

[Brian]

Who ever it ends up being the Cubs will probably pick him up. 

[wiguy94]

26 minutes ago, rickh150 said:

So are you saying Milner could refuse to be demoted and potentially leave as a FA if optioned? I thought he would be the odd man out before (or Elvis)….not sure now.

Yeah if Brewers optioned Milner he could reject the option and become a FA

[brewfanmn]

3 hours ago, yourout said:

Fastball's up and in is right in his wheelhouse.

He really has a old school swing without the ridiculous launch angle

Literally has one of the highest launch angles in baseball -- top 4%:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast?sort=launch_angle_avg&sortDir=desc

[Jim French Stepstool]

A totally unimportant but I would assume extremely rare tidbit from this game: We barely had any baserunners, yet scored the only run of the game which kept us from having to hit in the 9th. As a result, the #9 hitter (Joey Ortiz) only came to the plate twice while playing the entire game. That has to happen, like, never. 

[SomewhereInTime]

Just now, Jim French Stepstool said:

A totally unimportant but I would assume extremely rare tidbit from this game: We barely had any baserunners, yet scored the only run of the game which kept us from having to hit in the 9th. As a result, the #9 hitter (Joey Ortiz) only came to the plate twice while playing the entire game. That has to happen, like, never. 

Came here to see if anyone else noticed that.  A 9 inning non-rain shortened game where a team does not get through their batting order three full times is an incredible rarity.

[sobomp3]

This is starting to feel like 2018 all over again. Let’s just win for Uecker. 

[yourout]

6 hours ago, brewfanmn said:

Literally has one of the highest launch angles in baseball -- top 4%:

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/statcast?sort=launch_angle_avg&sortDir=desc

This is where stats don't tell the whole story.

Launch angle and swing path are two different things in that the ball angle coming off the bat is largely impacted by the contact point. 

He has a relatively short compact swing and is very good at hunting fastballs up in the zone which result in the ball coming off the bat at a higher angle even though the swing path isn't extreme by any means. 

Willie adamas on the other hand has an extremely high angle swing path and tends to make contact with more balls down in the zone.

[Brian]

The Brewers do not have a starter listed for Sunday, but Hall would be available on four days' rest after he allowed one run over four innings in his latest rehab start with Triple-A Nashville on Tuesday. Colin Rea would also be available on normal rest, but the Brewers may want to give him an extra day to recover from the seven shutout innings he tossed Tuesday in Atlanta. Hall has not made a start in the majors since late April, as he's been working his way back from a left knee sprain.

[Frisbee Slider]

Could be nice to save Rea for Dodgers on Monday.

[wiguy94]

2 hours ago, yourout said:

This is where stats don't tell the whole story.

Launch angle and swing path are two different things in that the ball angle coming off the bat is largely impacted by the contact point. 

He has a relatively short compact swing and is very good at hunting fastballs up in the zone which result in the ball coming off the bat at a higher angle even though the swing path isn't extreme by any means. 

Willie adamas on the other hand has an extremely high angle swing path and tends to make contact with more balls down in the zone.

Uhhh Hoskins mostly definitely does not have a short, compact swing. He has the 7th longest average swing length in the MLB this year and just marginally shorter than Adames who has the 5th longest swing.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/bat-tracking?attackZone=&batSide=&contactType=&count=&dateStart=&dateEnd=&gameType=&groupBy=&isHardHit=&minSwings=q&minGroupSwings=1&pitchHand=&pitchType=&seasonStart=&seasonEnd=&team=&type=batter&vizX=avg_sweetspot_speed_mph_qualified&vizY=swing_length_qualified&sortColumn=swing_length_qualified&sortDirection=desc

[yourout]

44 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Uhhh Hoskins mostly definitely does not have a short, compact swing. He has the 7th longest average swing length in the MLB this year and just marginally shorter than Adames who has the 5th longest swing.

https://baseballsavant.mlb.com/leaderboard/bat-tracking?attackZone=&batSide=&contactType=&count=&dateStart=&dateEnd=&gameType=&groupBy=&isHardHit=&minSwings=q&minGroupSwings=1&pitchHand=&pitchType=&seasonStart=&seasonEnd=&team=&type=batter&vizX=avg_sweetspot_speed_mph_qualified&vizY=swing_length_qualified&sortColumn=swing_length_qualified&sortDirection=desc

 

 

[wiguy94]

18 minutes ago, yourout said:

 

 

Never mentioned launch or attack angle so don't know why you're replying that to me. I was just calling out the blatant lie that Hoskins has a short, compact swing.

[adambr2]

11 hours ago, wiguy94 said:

Yeah if Brewers optioned Milner he could reject the option and become a FA

I'm curious as to whether the organization can "negotiate" with a player > 5 years experience to get them to accept the option. 

(I.e, "Hoby, we'll give you a 100K bonus and agree to call you back up by September 2nd if you'll accept the option").

A pittance amount to the Brewers to help solve an August roster crunch, but no small sum to Milner, a 5% raise on his 2024 salary. 

[yourout]

33 minutes ago, wiguy94 said:

Never mentioned launch or attack angle so don't know why you're replying that to me. I was just calling out the blatant lie that Hoskins has a short, compact swing.

Visually his swing looks short with a below the shoulder finish. Wonder if it measures longer due to his hands starting a bit deeper than most and he is fairly tall(6'4") so the swing arc will be longer for that reason alone.

When I watch him compared to Adames he looks short to the ball. Willy looks like me from the tee box.

If I was a pitcher I would attach them completely opposite. Stay down and away from Rhys and go up and in on Adames.

[wiguy94]

26 minutes ago, yourout said:

Visually his swing looks short with a below the shoulder finish. Wonder if it measures longer due to his hands starting a bit deeper than most and he is fairly tall(6'4") so the swing arc will be longer for that reason alone.

When I watch him compared to Adames he looks short to the ball. Willy looks like me from the tee box.

If I was a pitcher I would attach them completely opposite. Stay down and away from Rhys and go up and in on Adames.

That's largely due to bat path though which you already said. Adames bat path leaves him extremely susceptible to pitches up. Mitchell is another player like that even though his swing is considerably shorter and more compact than Adames and Hoskins. Mitchell just cannot get the bat to pitches up. At this point he's whiffing more than Hiura at upper third and higher pitches. Like with Adames you can pretty visually see a pronounced uppercut in his swing at times. 

Also just literally speaking a swing on a pitch up will lead to a shorter swing than a pitch down as the barrel just doesn't need to travel as far to reach the impact point. Size probably plays a part as well. Taller player and you likely will have a longer swing. Impact point as well. Adames and Hoskins are both big pull hitters so they want to make contact out in front to pull the ball which leads to a technically longer swing. As opposed to a Frelick or Turang who want to see the ball longer and have a deeper contact point to shoot balls to left center.

I don't think Hoskins is great against pitches up. At least this year. The whiff and damage numbers aren't really anything to write home about, but I do agree that he's much better at getting to those pitches than Adames.

Edited August 11, 2024 by wiguy94