Dylan cease

[Klantz27]

Civale, payamps, quero, carlos f rodriguez for cease?

 

[Scooterfletcher]

Nah

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https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153683-pitching-trade-packages-for-padres-ace-dylan-cease-amid-mlb-rumors

There's 0% chance of this happening, but I'd be ok with it, if it did. 

[Jopal78]

On 12/14/2024 at 9:47 PM, Klantz27 said:

Civale, payamps, quero, carlos f rodriguez for cease?

 

A proposal that doesn’t make sense for either team.
 

Assuming the Padres the primary reason they want to move Cease is for salary relief (he’s one of their few highly paid players not on a multi year deal), and to bolster the chances of the 2025 squad. It’s questionable at best if the package of players from the Brewers would make them better in 2025.

As for the Brewers Cease is an upgrade over Civale for sure but is also a FA after 2025. For which they give up 6 years of a highly regarded prospect in Quero, weaken their bullpen by subtracting Payamps and include another prospect Rodriguez who has already pitched in the majors. A price too rich for Milwaukee‘S blood.

[sveumrules]

Putting Quero third is kind of burying the lede here.

I wouldn’t give up Jeferson alone, much less the rest of that package on top of it for one year of Cease.

[KCBrewerfan34]

For 1 year of Cease?? Absurd

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14 hours ago, sveumrules said:

Putting Quero third is kind of burying the lede here.

I wouldn’t give up Jeferson alone, much less the rest of that package on top of it for one year of Cease.

Why not? Hall has been pretty underwhelming in Baltimore and Milwaukee, and Quero is coming off an injury, and blocked by Contreras. No matter how high they're ranked, prospects are only that. Prospects. They're far from being sure fire major league players. 

[TURBO]

I'm all for making a trade for a starting pitcher, but I'm not willing to give up Quero for a pitcher that is gone after 2025.

Quero for a rental would really anger me.

[nate82]

35 minutes ago, bigred said:

Why not? Hall has been pretty underwhelming in Baltimore and Milwaukee, and Quero is coming off an injury, and blocked by Contreras. No matter how high they're ranked, prospects are only that. Prospects. They're far from being sure fire major league players. 

Yes prospects are just prospects but wasting said assets on a 1-year rental is just dumb.  If you want to trade someone like Quero you do it for someone with more control.  It is not the trading of Quero that is the problem it is the player coming back that is the problem. 

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7 minutes ago, nate82 said:

Yes prospects are just prospects but wasting said assets on a 1-year rental is just dumb.  If you want to trade someone like Quero you do it for someone with more control.  It is not the trading of Quero that is the problem it is the player coming back that is the problem. 

Gotta give up something, to get something. There's always risk involved with trades. Like I said earlier, there's basically a 0% chance this would happen anyway. 

[brewmann04]

do we have any other Catching prospects behind Quero?

[nate82]

29 minutes ago, bigred said:

Gotta give up something, to get something. There's always risk involved with trades. Like I said earlier, there's basically a 0% chance this would happen anyway. 

Yes but you also need to receive value back.  Trading Quero+ for Cease would be a negative value for the Brewers.  So the other team would need to give up something else here. 

[Madhawk23]

Don't we have a pretty good (and recent) comparison for what a Cease package might look like?  Heck, we just traded away a big time SP in Burnes last year at this time - and he too only had one year left before FA.  With that said, I don't think Cease is quite to the level of a Burnes....so I think you could make an argument that it could be a slightly lesser package going back to the Pads.  

If memory serves me right, at their peak rankings - I think both Hall and Ortiz were back-end Top 100 prospects.  In fact, during the '23 season MLB Pipeline had Hall at 97 and Ortiz at 99.  So, with that said - there's no way the Brewers are giving up any prospect currently inside any of the Top 50 prospect rankings for one year of Cease - so that should rule out Q, Pratt, Miz (although we know his rankings fluctuate more than most due to his reliver projections) and definitely Made.  

I could make the case for a Gasser/Black package going back to SD, but we know Gas is coming back from TJ surgery, and how often do you see guys getting traded from one organization, only to be traded back to that org just a few years later?  Seems like the odds are probably low of that happening.  

Maybe a Henderson and Boeve package?  I wonder though if we'd have to throw in another lottery ticket type piece to that package too?  Maybe a Jorge Quintana?  

[bigred]

4 hours ago, TURBO said:

I'm all for making a trade for a starting pitcher, but I'm not willing to give up Quero for a pitcher that is gone after 2025.

Quero for a rental would really anger me.

Normally I'd agree with you. In this case though, it wouldn't bother me, because Quero is coming off an injury, and blocked by Contreras. Also, although he showed some promise with his offense, he's mainly known as a defense first catcher. I doubt it would take Quero+ to get Cease in a trade anyway. 

[Lathund]

I don't consider Quero blocked by Contreras. Contreras has 3 years remaining, seeing as how he is unlikely (IMO anyway) to sign an extension, he might very well get traded after 2. Quero in all likelyhood starts 2025 in AAA and won't get a full year of service time. Meaning he'll have 6 years of team control after 2025. Having them share duties for a year or two isn't a problem, it's in fact a great situation to be in. A backup catcher is needed far more often than other backups, and the combination of an elite defender (Who might be a good bat too, remains to be seen) and an elite hitter in a DH  league makes it easy to get them playing time in a way that benefits the team. And injuries happen, another reason why you want a strong backup catcher. 

Whatever his role, Quero is someone who will likely contribute already this year, and definitely in the next couple. What makes more sense to me when trading for rentals is to trade away players further from the majors, not players who can help you while you have the rental.  Or more generally, don't trade top prospects for rentals, however tempting it may be. For good players with multiple years of control (Like the Adames, Yelich, Contreras trades) you could include them, but for rentals it's just so weakening. 

 

[TURBO]

I've already committed to my mind that we have Contreras for 2 more seasons, not three.  I think the odds of him being traded after the 2026 season is probably 75% or higher, assuming he continues doing what he's doing with the bat.  Not a chance we'll be the ones paying his next contract, so he's gone after 2 more seasons, making Quero untradeable.  Of course, if we get an offer that we can't refuse, that's a different story, but Quero in a trade for one season of Cease better not happen.

[Scooterfletcher]

I expect to get a massive haul for Contreras next off season and plugging Quero in to start .   So I’m not dealing Quero.   The haul we get for Contreras is way more beneficial to the brewers than holding him in 2026 or at least 2027 and we need Quero to do that.

[bigred]

3 hours ago, Lathund said:

I don't consider Quero blocked by Contreras. Contreras has 3 years remaining, seeing as how he is unlikely (IMO anyway) to sign an extension, he might very well get traded after 2. Quero in all likelyhood starts 2025 in AAA and won't get a full year of service time. Meaning he'll have 6 years of team control after 2025. Having them share duties for a year or two isn't a problem, it's in fact a great situation to be in. A backup catcher is needed far more often than other backups, and the combination of an elite defender (Who might be a good bat too, remains to be seen) and an elite hitter in a DH  league makes it easy to get them playing time in a way that benefits the team. And injuries happen, another reason why you want a strong backup catcher. 

Whatever his role, Quero is someone who will likely contribute already this year, and definitely in the next couple. What makes more sense to me when trading for rentals is to trade away players further from the majors, not players who can help you while you have the rental.  Or more generally, don't trade top prospects for rentals, however tempting it may be. For good players with multiple years of control (Like the Adames, Yelich, Contreras trades) you could include them, but for rentals it's just so weakening. 

 

If the Crew did trade for Cease, I doubt it would take a Quero level prospect to get him anyway. I just think Quero will end up average at best offensively if he does make the bigs eventually. Hope he proves me wrong.