Grade the Offseason

[bigred]

10 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Respectfully, the fact that there are so many negative grades on the off season from posters here and the fact no one else is getting heat for those opinions should give you pause on how you participate on these boards and why you are responded to differently. Differing opinions are welcome, negative opinions are welcome. Why is it different for you?

If I responded to every one of your posts with the exact same GIF of a guy beating a dead horse with a stick... It wouldn't take long before you called me a troll. But that's exactly what your account is becoming. Clicking on your profile and looking at your post history... 95% of your posts in the last two months have been the exact same thing. Brewers FO isn't trying, Mark A is cheap, the fan base is delusional. Regardless of the topic at hand.

We've locked two threads in the last two weeks+ because of this. Self reflect.

Tell the others to do the same. This isn't a one way street. 

[bigred]

11 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Respectfully, the fact that there are so many negative grades on the off season from posters here and the fact no one else is getting heat for those opinions should give you pause on how you participate on these boards and why you are responded to differently. Differing opinions are welcome, negative opinions are welcome. Why is it different for you?

If I responded to every one of your posts with the exact same GIF of a guy beating a dead horse with a stick... It wouldn't take long before you called me a troll. But that's exactly what your account is becoming. Clicking on your profile and looking at your post history... 95% of your posts in the last two months have been the exact same thing. Brewers FO isn't trying, Mark A is cheap, the fan base is delusional. Regardless of the topic at hand.

We've locked two threads in the last two weeks+ because of this. Self reflect.

They're the same, because the actions of the FO(or in our case, lack there of) prove that they're those things. 

 

[bigred]

7 minutes ago, brewerfan82 said:

@bigred i support your mission to tell everyone your one thing in every single thread! ✊

I sure will, if the thread relates to that topic

 

[Brewcrew82]

24 minutes ago, bigred said:

 

Again, stop putting words into my mouth. I said he MAY replace a fraction of them, but to count on a player at his age to replace most of them on his own is........for the lack of better words right now, wishful thinking. 

Your exact words were “definitely not” about a majority of them….

When over a 162 game pace that’s exactly what Chourio would have done with his post-June pace. And like I said Chourio isn’t the only young player that could improve.

[Brock Beauchamp]

6 hours ago, sveumrules said:

We knew it was almost certainly going to be a one transaction offseason, and it has turned out to be a one transaction offseason.

When expectation lines up with reality that’s a C for me.

I agree... kinda. I'd lean more toward the D spectrum because Arnold didn't do anything remotely interesting. He completed the Williams trade, which we all knew was coming, but didn't follow that up with any notable trades to improve the team. I didn't need or expect a blockbuster but also think the total dearth of interesting moves makes it a pretty bad offseason.

With that said, I think the Brewers are still pretty good and will likely convert some of their marginal arms into decent performers but am left feeling that more should have been done.

[MoreTrife]

Stay in it til the trade deadline! Then make a splash there. 

[bigred]

24 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

Your exact words were “definitely not” about a majority of them….

When over a 162 game pace that’s exactly what Chourio would have done with his post-June pace. And like I said Chourio isn’t the only young player that could improve.

So you think Chourio will have 50+ hr's and what? Around 200+ rbi? Of course he won't, which means it's highly unlikely he'll pick up the slack all by himself. 

[Brewcrew82]

9 minutes ago, bigred said:

So you think Chourio will have 50+ hr's and what? Around 200+ rbi? Of course he won't, which means it's highly unlikely he'll pick up the slack all by himself. 

Who cares about RBIs in the year 2025. The name of the game is wins which is why I used WAR. 

[bigred]

Just now, Brewcrew82 said:

Who cares about RBIs in the year 2025. The name of the game is wins which is why I used WAR. 

Ummmm...really? You do realize rbi's has a lot to do with winning, right? With Adames gone, we lost a LOT of them. 

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, bigred said:

Ummmm...really? You do realize rbi's has a lot to do with winning, right? With Adames gone, we lost a LOT of them. 

RBIs has a lot less to do with winning than WAR I can tell you that. It’s a team stat that’s largely dependent on who gets on base in front of you.
 

[MVP2110]

26 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

I agree... kinda. I'd lean more toward the D spectrum because Arnold didn't do anything remotely interesting. He completed the Williams trade, which we all knew was coming, but didn't follow that up with any notable trades to improve the team. I didn't need or expect a blockbuster but also think the total dearth of interesting moves makes it a pretty bad offseason.

With that said, I think the Brewers are still pretty good and will likely convert some of their marginal arms into decent performers but am left feeling that more should have been done.

Bad or boring? It was a boring offseason for sure, I'm not sure I'd classify it as good or bad

[Brock Beauchamp]

Just now, MVP2110 said:

Bad or boring? It was a boring offseason for sure, I'm not sure I'd classify it as good or bad

Maybe not "bad"... Uninspiring, definitely.

[MVP2110]

11 minutes ago, Brock Beauchamp said:

Maybe not "bad"... Uninspiring, definitely.

Yea. That's sort of why I don't think it was good or bad and when I gave it a C grade. Frankly the Brewers didn't have a lot of "needs" going into the offseason so they didn't have to do a lot. And the two needs they did have of another SP & another IF were both rolled up into the Devin Williams trade. I think it's fair to question a Durbin/Dunn platoon but outside of that I think the rest of the team is filled with capable solid players

[bigred]

27 minutes ago, Brewcrew82 said:

RBIs has a lot less to do with winning than WAR I can tell you that. It’s a team stat that’s largely dependent on who gets on base in front of you.
 

That may be, but imo, if people are holding out hope that Chourio will make up for the #'s we lost from Adames leaving, that's a lot to even remotely expect him to do. Especially at his young age. I also think they should sign Dejong asap to help replace the offensive production we lost. 

[brewers888]

3 hours ago, Ron Robinsons Beard said:

I think I likely speak for most everyone here when I say I'm getting a tad sick of this holier than thou victim card schtick you keep pulling out. You throw negative take after negative take out there, or just keep on banging the same negative take drum, and you get offended when called on it. When you go to a site named "BrewerFanatic" and continuously rip on the team, you need to expect there is going to be pushback. And when you push back on that, it's going to come back at you even harder, especially when you don't bring really any specific ideas to the table on how you would accomplish what you'd like to see done. Instead you tend to try to tear down anyone who has any shred of optimism toward this team. 

I am not telling you how to fan. That's certainly not my place. And as I've pointed out, I totally understand the frustration with what the team has done this offseason. But beating on the same idea in thread after thread is getting old.

How about your holier than though I am a better fan than you because I see the sunshine in everything this team does. He has every right to be disappointed in the offseason and more than reasonable to want more than an early playoff exit every season. Its quite something how the same guys do nothing but complain about fans that don't share the same blind optimism that many do.

Can we stop telling fans how to think about the Brewers. Just as it is the right of you and others to trust everything the team does even when they've done nothing it is our right to question an offseason like we have just had. Really its time to get off the soapbox and just accept that others think differently than you and stop the criticizing of such opinions.

[Brewcrew82]

6 minutes ago, brewers888 said:

How about your holier than though I am a better fan than you because I see the sunshine in everything this team does. He has every right to be disappointed in the offseason and more than reasonable to want more than an early playoff exit every season. Its quite something how the same guys do nothing but complain about fans that don't share the same blind optimism that many do.

Can we stop telling fans how to think about the Brewers. Just as it is the right of you and others to trust everything the team does even when they've done nothing it is our right to question an offseason like we have just had. Really its time to get off the soapbox and just accept that others think differently than you and stop the criticizing of such opinions.

Do you see anybody here giving them "A's" for their offseason?

Because I see mostly C's and D's. So much for "blind optimism". 

[brewers888]

I am certain to get attacked as usual but I give the offseason an F. We should have moved Devin a year earlier when he had two years of control and gotten more than just one year of an ok starter and a more than likely AAAA infielder.

I also think we should be trading Peralta now when he has two years of control unless we are planning on resigning him. In this economic atmosphere since we have no money to spend we should be moving our assets with two years of control to get a bigger return.

Until there is a cap and I hope we get one in the next CBA the likelihood of us ever winning a championship is extremely low and while we are clearly a well run team I am exhausted from all the playoff failures. Nothing that we have done this offeason and really we are a weaker team than the one that ended the 24 season has given me any confidence that we are any closer to that elusive championship than we have been and for me that is the ultimate goal. For those that are satisfied with not being the also ran that we were before the last 7 or 8 years I understand and thats fine but some of us want more and are no longer satisfied with choking in the playoffs.  

[liveforoctober]

2 hours ago, bigred said:

That may be, but imo, if people are holding out hope that Chourio will make up for the #'s we lost from Adames leaving, that's a lot to even remotely expect him to do. Especially at his young age. I also think they should sign Dejong asap to help replace the offensive production we lost. 

This is going to shock you ... but I'm 100% on board with Dejong AND if he ends up signing elsewhere for a fair contract I would stand with you in disagreement. I think we could use a vet on that side with a high enough offensive floor, Dejong seems to fit us right now really well.

Generally speaking re: our bickering ... it isn't about who is right and wrong and who is the better/worse fan ... it is about furthering conversation.

I say all of this almost as a 'thank you' for the DeJong suggestion, I have been hoping for a specific suggestion from you ... if you have more specific moves or people you want the Brewers to look at or if you have specific examples of guys they didn't move on in years past (that we know they could have) that have caused you to sour your outlook .. I genuinely want to hear them. 

I'm here to discuss Brewers baseball and learn, both good and bad. Personally, I just don't have much time for empty convo or the small talk around it.

I think DeJong is a great fit.

[bigred]

40 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

This is going to shock you ... but I'm 100% on board with Dejong AND if he ends up signing elsewhere for a fair contract I would stand with you in disagreement. I think we could use a vet on that side with a high enough offensive floor, Dejong seems to fit us right now really well.

Generally speaking re: our bickering ... it isn't about who is right and wrong and who is the better/worse fan ... it is about furthering conversation.

I say all of this almost as a 'thank you' for the DeJong suggestion, I have been hoping for a specific suggestion from you ... if you have more specific moves or people you want the Brewers to look at or if you have specific examples of guys they didn't move on in years past (that we know they could have) that have caused you to sour your outlook .. I genuinely want to hear them. 

I'm here to discuss Brewers baseball and learn, both good and bad. Personally, I just don't have much time for empty convo or the small talk around it.

I think DeJong is a great fit.

Question. So you think someone who doesn't deny hard truth about their team, or calls out their team when they feel it's warrated is being a "worse" fan? Really? I don't agree with that part at all. Just because some fans call out their favorite teams, doesn't mean they don't want them to be a great as all the "better" fans do. Lol c'mon now. That's being a little passive aggressive there,  don't you think? 

[bigred]

3 hours ago, MVP2110 said:

Yea. That's sort of why I don't think it was good or bad and when I gave it a C grade. Frankly the Brewers didn't have a lot of "needs" going into the offseason so they didn't have to do a lot. And the two needs they did have of another SP & another IF were both rolled up into the Devin Williams trade. I think it's fair to question a Durbin/Dunn platoon but outside of that I think the rest of the team is filled with capable solid players

Imo, replacing Adames' offensive output was/is a pretty big need this offseason. Lol

[bigred]

44 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

This is going to shock you ... but I'm 100% on board with Dejong AND if he ends up signing elsewhere for a fair contract I would stand with you in disagreement. I think we could use a vet on that side with a high enough offensive floor, Dejong seems to fit us right now really well.

Generally speaking re: our bickering ... it isn't about who is right and wrong and who is the better/worse fan ... it is about furthering conversation.

I say all of this almost as a 'thank you' for the DeJong suggestion, I have been hoping for a specific suggestion from you ... if you have more specific moves or people you want the Brewers to look at or if you have specific examples of guys they didn't move on in years past (that we know they could have) that have caused you to sour your outlook .. I genuinely want to hear them. 

I'm here to discuss Brewers baseball and learn, both good and bad. Personally, I just don't have much time for empty convo or the small talk around it.

I think DeJong is a great fit.

Probably the biggest reason I don't comment more suggestions, is because what I would suggest, is highly unlikely to happen anyway. Lol. Like I've said several times before I try not to set myself up for disappointment. 

[liveforoctober]

7 minutes ago, bigred said:

Question. So you think someone who doesn't deny hard truth about their team, or calls out their team when they feel it's warrated is being a "worse" fan? Really? I don't agree with that part at all. Just because some fans call out their favorite teams, doesn't mean they don't want them to be a great as all the "better" fans do. Lol c'mon now. That's being a little passive aggressive there,  don't you think? 

Dang, not at all what I said. I was speaking in generalities.

I try to offer an olive branch and it still gets turned on me. I am not sure you and I speak the same language unfortunately. Lot of lost in translation going on.

All good man, take care.

[bigred]

2 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Dang, not at all what I said. I was speaking in generalities.

I try to offer an olive branch and it still gets turned on me. I am not sure you and I speak the same language unfortunately. Lot of lost in translation going on.

All good man, take care.

It wasn't my intention. It's just that some people could take it the same way I did. Lol no worries. I know most of opinions aren't very well received, so I'm sort of used to reacting that way on here. 🤣

[bigred]

4 minutes ago, liveforoctober said:

Dang, not at all what I said. I was speaking in generalities.

I try to offer an olive branch and it still gets turned on me. I am not sure you and I speak the same language unfortunately. Lot of lost in translation going on.

All good man, take care.

That's I'm not a fan of fourns, texts, etc, because when we can't see a person's body language, facial expressions, and/or tones of voice, things get taken the wrong way many times. 

[MVP2110]

16 minutes ago, bigred said:

Imo, replacing Adames' offensive output was/is a pretty big need this offseason. Lol

Willy Adames was worth 3.1 WAR last year. Do I think Dunn/Durbin will combine for 3.1 WAR? Probably not. But I think it's possible they can combine for 2 WAR, and then internal development from guys like Chourio, Mitchell, or Frelick can help offset that as well. As good as Adames was offensively I think it's glossed over how bad he was defensively. Now none of this is a sure thing. But Dunn/Durbin is the only starting spot that I think isn't filled by a capable big league player, so I'm not going to grade this offseason as poor. As stated by another poster previously as well this time last year nobody was talking about Jared Koenig or Tobias Myers.